Performance Shifter chance for +endur comparison?
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Posted on: 2009-11-03 13:02 in Player Questions
The proc works out to about 12% increase in endurance gain, if I recall correctly. That doesn't take into account bonus endurance through accolades and IOs though.
Since the bonus for PP is 12.5% by itself, you'd nearly double the amount of end it gives back by putting the proc in there. If you throw a Numina unique in it too, you could nearly triple the bonus PP gives with just two slots. Or better yet, Miracle.
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Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
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Stamina adds .42 end/s, the first level 50 IO adds .17 end/s, the second adds .18, and the third adds .06.
Physical Perfection adds .21 end/s, the first level 50 IO adds .9, the second adds .08, and the third adds .04.
Performance Shifter: chance for +end adds, on average, .2 end/s.
(numbers taken from Mids')
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Of course, one of the biggest benefits of the proc over tradition endurance recovery is the fact it's a +End, not +Recovery, proc, which can help if you get nailed by sappers and other -Recovery.
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Originally Posted by Shadow State
Stamina adds .42 end/s, the first level 50 IO adds .17 end/s, the second adds .18, and the third adds .06.
Physical Perfection adds .21 end/s, the first level 50 IO adds .9, the second adds .08, and the third adds .04. Performance Shifter: chance for +end adds, on average, .2 end/s. (numbers taken from Mids') |
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Originally Posted by Rajani Isa
Of course, one of the biggest benefits of the proc over tradition endurance recovery is the fact it's a +End, not +Recovery, proc, which can help if you get nailed by sappers and other -Recovery.
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So the moral of the story?
If you have enough room to do it, slot the Miracle +Recovery -AND- the Performance Shifter +End.
Is that a fair estimation?
(I ask because I try to do that with all of my builds . . . except Willpower, of course.)
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Same here. On nearly every toon I have, I 3-slot Health and 4-slot Stamina. In Health I put the "big 3" procs (Numina's, Miracle, Regenerative Tissue), and in Stamina I put 3 End Modification IOs and 1 Performance Shifter +End proc.|
Originally Posted by Catharctic
So the moral of the story?
If you have enough room to do it, slot the Miracle +Recovery -AND- the Performance Shifter +End. Is that a fair estimation? (I ask because I try to do that with all of my builds . . . except Willpower, of course.) |
Expensive, yes, but (to me) well worth it in terms of playability of toons. I found out early in my career playing this game that running out of END is one of the most frustrating things I encounter.
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Just curious, any reason you don't put in the End Mod Performance shifter? True, it's not a wonderful set bonus by any means (+5% movement), but it doesn't hurt and not too expensive compared to everything else you've bought.
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Originally Posted by Eric Nelson
... in Stamina I put 3 End Modification IOs and 1 Performance Shifter +End proc.
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Originally Posted by Eric Nelson
Same here. On nearly every toon I have, I 3-slot Health and 4-slot Stamina. In Health I put the "big 3" procs (Numina's, Miracle, Regenerative Tissue), and in Stamina I put 3 End Modification IOs and 1 Performance Shifter +End proc.
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3x level 50 IO + proc = +49.8% recov + proc
4x Performance Shifter (including proc) = +50.4% recov + proc
EndMod + EndMod/Recharge + EndMod/Accuracy + Proc will give you slightly more recovery than what you have now thanks to the 4-piece +2.5% recov bonus. On top of that, you also get +5% move speed and +1.88% HP.
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Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
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Indeed, and I USED to do exactly that -- however, the cost of the 3 additional Performance Shifter IOs (either crafted or bought pre-crafted) generally is far higher than the cost of 3 level 50 END Mod IOs (especially since I have that recipe memorized on multiple toons), so the cost/reward trade-off isn't currently worth it in my opinion.|
Originally Posted by Dispari
If you're going for 4-slot in Stamina, there's a better way:
3x level 50 IO + proc = +49.8% recov + proc 4x Performance Shifter (including proc) = +50.4% recov + proc EndMod + EndMod/Recharge + EndMod/Accuracy + Proc will give you slightly more recovery than what you have now thanks to the 4-piece +2.5% recov bonus. On top of that, you also get +5% move speed and +1.88% HP. |
Thanks for the advice on the option, though!
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Well sure, that's the nature of all IOs. I figured if you're springing for Numina, Miracle, and Regen Tissue (which I don't even do, most of the time), you could spare a little for Performance Shifters.
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Originally Posted by Eric Nelson
Indeed, and I USED to do exactly that -- however, the cost of the 3 additional Performance Shifter IOs (either crafted or bought pre-crafted) generally is far higher than the cost of 3 level 50 END Mod IOs (especially since I have that recipe memorized on multiple toons), so the cost/reward trade-off isn't currently worth it in my opinion.
Thanks for the advice on the option, though! |
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Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
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I suppose as much as the price, it's the effort. I'm not too lazy to sock away or purchase the Numina's, Miracle and Regen Tissues as I level a toon up, but taking that extra step to get 3 more Performance Shifters is just too much trouble. |
Originally Posted by Dispari
Well sure, that's the nature of all IOs. I figured if you're springing for Numina, Miracle, and Regen Tissue (which I don't even do, most of the time), you could spare a little for Performance Shifters.
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(Also, by the time I purchase the "big 3" procs, I'm usually pretty broke, so...
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From 0 to full end, does this decrease the time by even a full second?
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Originally Posted by Dispari
If you're going for 4-slot in Stamina, there's a better way:
3x level 50 IO + proc = +49.8% recov + proc 4x Performance Shifter (including proc) = +50.4% recov + proc EndMod + EndMod/Recharge + EndMod/Accuracy + Proc will give you slightly more recovery than what you have now thanks to the 4-piece +2.5% recov bonus. On top of that, you also get +5% move speed and +1.88% HP. |
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Even if it doesn't, I can't say no to bonus HP or move speed that works with Hover.
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Originally Posted by StarGeek
From 0 to full end, does this decrease the time by even a full second?
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Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.
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Keep in mind there's a downside too though. Proc firing is random, and you may end up running dry of endurance if you go through a long dry spell.
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Originally Posted by Rajani Isa
Of course, one of the biggest benefits of the proc over tradition endurance recovery is the fact it's a +End, not +Recovery, proc, which can help if you get nailed by sappers and other -Recovery.
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hi all, wanted to ask what is the equivalant in endur mod IOs to a Performance Shifter chance for +endur? Builds like PBs are tight on slots and was hoping / figuring 2 endur mod IOs were equal to 1 performance shifter proc. also, in my BS/SD scrapper, was looking to put that proc in physical perfection instead of 2 endur mod IOs. thanks for any info u can offer
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