Tweaks and fixes

Originally Posted by EmpireForgotten

Mac suggestion fixes my biggest frustration. If the "Mag 6" Proteciton isnt put in, there needs to be SOME way to allow offensive toggles to stay toggled while being mezzed.

Retoggling hurricane every 10 seconds (2.5+ second animation) is irrirating. Also, the slow cap and the -range cap needs to be lowered. Add a buff to range in a Kin's ID. This would allow Kins to be useful again (+speed to counter slow ID to counter -range). Hey, even allow kins to increase the range of attacks (Maybe half of boost ranges power). You can make it not stack if that would be too overpowered.

Originally Posted by macskull

I was musing today during class, so I filled a page of my notebook with suggestions and new ideas. As in the past I'll try to say not only why the changes are a good idea, but how they will benefit everyone in the long run.

MECHANICAL CHANGES

* Remove travel suppression (i.e. the arena option, not remove PvP TS and replace it with PVE TS). This does not significantly change balance nor hinder someone with slow reactions, but it does bring some of the fast movement back into the game. With no TS, there is no need to be suppressed when attacked because your opponent will be able to catch right back up to you when their animation is finished (right now, many attacks trigger suppression that is longer than suppression caused by being attacked, which makes no sense if you're using it as a tool to enforce fighting). Keep a 2-second duration unresisted suppression for being hit by a melee attack from a melee AT, except in TS-off arena matches. This ensures melee characters are useful in both being able to stay with a target, and helping keep the target near them (in conjunction with taunt) so their teammates can assist them.
* Cut in half, or remove, heal decay. Heal decay in its current implementation makes getting a kill as simple as "attack until the target dies," and the outcome of a fight should not be as predictable as "spam damage." Coordination should be rewarded, not random attacking. HD and TS combine to make the PvP experience sluggish and awkward and reward teams that bring ranged characters with fast-animating and fast-recharging attacks instead of rewarding teams that bring a variety of abilities. In short, if you want to appeal to the current PvPers and make the system more fun for everyone in the process, something needs to be done about either TS or HD, and preferably both.
* Reduce PvP base resistances for squishies from 40% to 20%. This change would allow the base resistances to still be meaningful, but would allow resistance buffs (Sonic/Therm shields, World of Pain, orange inspires) to become more sought-after and commonplace. This change would negatively impact the survivabilities of squishies, but the removal of travel suppression and heal decay would more than make up for it by allowing the player to get out of a bad situation more easily.
* Further reduce the ranged damage output of melee ATs - currently many melee builds are able to put damage similar to a Blaster, but they have twice the HP, self-heals, and looser DR curves to keep them alive when they are targeted. I'm not saying they shouldn't be able to put out ranged damage, but they should not be outdamaging dedicated ranged damage dealers - that's what melee range is for.
* Increase the damage scale on Assassin's Strike. For an interruptible power which requires you to be in melee range to execute to barely take off half of a squishy's HP is just plain silly. It doesn't need to be where it was at before I13, but it does need to have some merit other than its status as a "signature attack." Currently, some Stalkers are skipping AS entirely and instead focusing on spamming sharks at range.
* Loosen the DR restrictions on recharge, damage, and defense, as well as slightly increasing the amount of allowed resistance on squishies - they still have less HP than a melee character, so the same amount of resistance or defense will not get them as far. Boosts to recharge and damage mean builds built around a certain performance level (faster recharge on AM or Domination, for example) will not be unfairly penalized, and ATs focused on damage (Blasters, Stalkers) will benefit more from damage buffs.
* Boost PvP base resistances of VEATs and Khelds from 10% to 20%.
* Give Banes elusivity in Cloaking Device, if it is possible. Banes cannot get defense in meaningful numbers on their own without a lot of investment in IO sets, and even then they have no resistance to back their defense, which is often shredded through like it's not there because of the lack of elusivity. Widows fare a bit better, but they still lack meaningful resistance.
* Bump elusivity granted from 10% to 15 or 20%, which would give us a middle ground between the perception of "too powerful" we had in I13 and the perception of "too weak" we have now.
* Add -maxspeed back into slow powers, though tone it down from the PvE numbers. This ensures that one application of a slow will have a noticeable, but not large, effect, and you don't need to stack multiple slows in order to produce meaningful results.
* Return a portion of Blaster damage (not necessarily 10% like it was before I13, perhaps 5% would be better) to being unresisted. Likewise, return Scrapper and Stalker crits, as well as Corruptor Scourge damage, to being unresisted. If possible, make a portion (10%? 20%?) of Defender debuffs unresisted, so as to players a reason to want Defenders over Corruptors in some situations in PvP again.
* Reduce the -range from taunt powers to 50% or 66% (currently at 75%) or make the -range require a tohit check and not stack from the same caster. Taunt powers should show the caster a hit roll on the taunt itself, instead of just saying the power is autohit and then informing the caster whether or not the taunt was successful.
* Refigure AoE damage, treating AoEs as a single-target attack - factor their damage based on activation, tier, and recharge time. For example, Inferno is supposed to be a very high-damage attack, but most people skip it these days because all it does is tickle your opponent and drain your own endurance.

CHANGES TO THE PvP MEZ SYSTEM

* Standardize cage durations across all ATs, somewhere in the neighborhood of 12 to 20 seconds. Remove the built-in immobilize (or, see next point).
* Return mez protection, but grant squishies a base mez protection of, say, mag 6. This would allow them to stay functional if at least one mez (and in many cases, even two) hits them long enough for them to respond, instead of being insta-mezzed and spiked as is the current case. As part of this change, the PvP duration of mezzes would be capped at a relatively short duration, something like 10 to 20 seconds. This eliminates insta-mez that could happen under the old and new systems, would allow mez stacking to overcome protection, but would not cause a mezzed state to last a very long time (plus the mezzed player could use a Break Free if it was necessary). This change has the added benefit of allowing powersets based on offensive toggles (Rad and Storm, namely) to not be as frustrating to play. If a player's mez protection gets overcome, the same situation as current applies (offensive toggles drop, but defensive toggles do not, and toggles do not suppress).
* In addition to the above change, damage on mez powers would again be re-figured: higher than current PvE values, but lower than current PvP values. This allows mezzing ATs to both contribute damage-wise and contribute to mez stacking for a short time.
* Telekinesis becomes repel/hold like it is in PvE, but the magnitude of the repel is lowered (or the amount of repel protection a Break Free grants would be increased), so you wouldn't need two Break Frees to overcome it. Additionally, add repel protection to Sturdies ("you are sturdier and more able to resist damage as well as enemy teleportation and repel effects").
* Add KB protection to the list of effects powers like Clear Mind and Clarity protect from (perhaps 9 or 10 mag KB protection, same as Increase Density). ID would still be useful because of the +res and TP protection, while the other powers listed are useful for the +perception and such.

QoL SUGGESTIONS

* Give Defenders an Ice epic pool (for example, Flash Freeze/Block of Ice/Frozen Armor/Hoarfrost/Hibernate) for PvP and PvE equality with other low-HP ATs - yet another reason Corruptors are preferred over Defenders for PvP today is because Defenders must take Phase due to their lack of Hibernate.
* Boost Defender base damage (perhaps this could apply to PvE as well, which would be seen as a buff). Rework Vigilance to provide a meaningful benefit in PvE as well as PvP (for example, replace the end discount with a +special).
* Give Hover more protection to -fly effects, so one Web Grenade cannot drop a flier out of the sky.
* Introduce PvP minigames (capture the flag, king of the hill, etc.) with meaningful rewards such as merits, temp powers, or PvP IOs.
* Give PvP kills boss or elite boss XP, subject to the same timer as PvP IO drops. Provides an incentive for non-50 characters to participate in PvP, but is substantially slower than leveling via PvE, so will not be abused.
* New arena maps (Grandville, Thorn Isle, St. Martial, Praetorian zones).
* An in-interface arena store that lets participants purchase inspirations and temp powers from the /arenalist command (once the participants have joined, of course, so as to prevent someone from listing an empty match for the sole purpose of buying inspirations and then quitting out).
* "No base resistances" option for arena matches.
* An arena or PvP instance queue system, a la CO. Such a queue would allow a player to create or join and then continue doing whatever, and would randomly pick teams based on AT (in an attempt to balance teams as much as possible) and start a match once the queue is full. The queue would have search/matchmaking restrictions based on critera such as desired team size or desired arena rules.
* Cross-server zones and arena, please.

Originally Posted by Necromatic

Yep. Either a base mag 6 (maybe 4 would be better), or allow offense toggles to stay on with their effects suppressed, or better yet, add a meaningful duration to toggle effects.

Originally Posted by __Divine__

My rad would be so OP....i probaly would not lose to anything. This will never ...ever...ever...happen. If it did ...rads.... especially corrupter rads...would be very popular.

Originally Posted by black_barrier

yup.

asking for this is akin to asking for stormies to get an aura heal.

ridiculous.

Originally Posted by EmpireForgotten

You might suggest just trying to forget about 1.0 and look forward altogether, but, as an ebil conservative, I would never want to forget about your past and the things it did RIGHT just to be able to say "Hey, we have progress see?" I also wouldn't want to completely disregard the work done on PvP 2.0 because a lot of features are pretty slick and could help balance out.

Originally Posted by EmpireForgotten

I probably wouldn't care about the retoggling if it didn;t freakin root me for 3 seconds or allow me to do anything. If it had an instant cast time I probably wouldn't care about the retoggle.

Originally Posted by macskull

Such as? Other than making the traps mobile, I can't see much changing with the set - it's designed as a stationary set, which unfortunately just doesn't work well in PvP, under any ruleset.

Originally Posted by __Divine__

My rad would be so OP....i probaly would not lose to anything. This will never ...ever...ever...happen. If it did ...rads.... especially corrupter rads...would be very popular.

Originally Posted by Necromatic

Which one? The no offensive toggle drop? Remember its effects will be suppressed if mezzed. But yeah, maybe a little OP.

This can be balanced in other ways, ultra high end cost and no toggle drop.

No toggle drop and suppressed on damage received for a sec or two.

No toggle drop on mez, but shorter ranged and with line of sight checks.

Toggle drop but with some lasting duration.

Toggle drop but fast recharge and cast time.

Not to change subjects, but patches need to addressed too.

Originally Posted by __Divine__

99% of the matches i lose on my rad are against doms...or something that has constant mez....if they make it like hurricane i will become OP as hell.

Originally Posted by black_barrier

the other 1% are fire/colds.

Originally Posted by __Divine__

Duel?

Originally Posted by black_barrier

Yeah... mac wait a sec i'm gonna get videos for this.

edit:

nerf traps: http://www.ffwd.com/videos/367332?ctid=9&cvid=42806 (minute 3 and onwards for the nasty stuff)

Originally Posted by macskull

That looked painful. What exactly happened there?

Originally Posted by SimonSayz

I'm pretty sure they didn't fix Forts/Windows's mez protection toggles yet (Imdom Will)

When they fixed Mez powers suppressing knockback protection in mez protection toggles, they seems to have skipped over Fortunatas/Windows. So yes, you can mez them and toss them around like a cat in a sack.

Originally Posted by SimonSayz

I'm pretty sure they didn't fix Forts/Windows's mez protection toggles yet (Imdom Will)

When they fixed Mez powers suppressing knockback protection in mez protection toggles, they seems to have skipped over Fortunatas/Windows. So yes, you can mez them and toss them around like a cat in a sack.