Quick show of hands... MA/Regen or MA/Invuln?

And why? I have a character whose concept works with either one and I've always been very undecided about which set to choose. She is currently /Regen in her low 20s but I've never played either set past about that point so I don't have much to go on (my husband has played a Regen Scrapper and an Invuln tank both to 50 but doesn't feel too strongly one way or the other). Either version will eventually take the Weapon Master APP and I plan on taking Tough if I stick with the /Regen version.

Invun is the more sturdy set, however the endurance is a non issue on regen.

I would go invun/ becasue of dullpain, a mixed res/def build, with the dp acts as a scaleing defensive system that can take high amounts of punishment. Also invincibility has a scaleing to-hit buff in it, which if hit with hurricane or something like smoke gernade will allow you to hit alot easyer.

I have a lvl 50 invun/axe tank, and a lvl 50 db/regen. so I know both sets very well. You will have harder time slotting for recovery IO bonuses with invun/ however invun is by far stronger IMO

[edit] also if you have long animations, you can actually die before you can click a heal with regen, cuz you are locked into animations. That is probally why I don't play my db/regen, cuz say 1k cuts, and spawn lays on me, I am dead before anime completes. another thing I fogot to mention. both are good sets, I just think invun is better IMO. I do have a lvl 20 dm/invuln scrap. YMMV!

I'll put my vote in for /INV for all around IO goodness (and Id still take TOugh/Weave with it).

However, if you plan to PvP, go /Regen.

Both.

On the other hand, if you plan to make several characters, Inv is just as strong with any primary that doesn't do excessive knockback, which I don't think any Scrapper primaries do, but Regen's clicks causes redraw with the weapon-based primaries (and I think with certain elemental ones, if you're using fire swords, for example). But Martial Arts is not among them. Therefore if you want to have one of these two secondaries with MA and make the other with anything else, I'd make the MA one a Regen.

i vote /Invinc!

After playing around with her build, I realize that, since Invuln will require I take the Fitness pool, I'd have to drop some other powers with her that I really don't want to give up (for flavor/concept purposes). I've decided on MA/Regen, but with enough boosts from set bonuses and Tough that she'll have 23.6% S/L Defense -thank you Kinetic Combat!- (as well as a not insignificant amount of melee defense) and 23.5-23.7% S/L/Toxic Resist, which makes me quite happy.

Thanks, folks!

I'd go with Regen if you want Martial Arts. There's way too much knockback in that set for my liking, and with Invuln every mob you knock away means you're chipping away some of your defense. We have enough mobs for that; don't need to do it to yourself.

MA is better, but still not a fan. Cashiering my level 42 MA/Shield and rerolled Electric.

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If you solo or play on smaller teams (up to 4 or 5), I would vote /regen. If you play on 8-man teams, go /invul.

I have a MA/regen. I hate lvl 1-25 or so on MA. first 10 lvls are ok, but its a long haul till you get new attacks etc.
That said, it took me like 5 trys to get one to SO's. shortly after, willpower was released, and every time I play my MA scrapper I wish I could swap secondaries from regen to WP. I love quick recovery with MA. makes it possible to skimp on endo redux and favor rech redux in slotting. I dont much care for clicky regen though. Used to like it when IH was a toggle, not because of the extra regen so much as the less clicking. WP would be relatively similar survivability sans regen's clicks.

but that wasnt the question. Still, thought I would throw that out there if you hadnt thought of it. its sort of like the middle ground between the two sets you are looking at.

The 2.0 version of my main (level 50 DM/SR) is DM/WP, and I LOVE the set (and it's a much better fit for her concept). WP would be a good fit (though I think Regen or Invuln straight up would be better), but I also don't like repeating sets.

Both are good in different ways. I'm happy with my first and only level 50, a MA/Inv.

But regen is cool, I'll do a Kat/Regen or something later as my current scrapper is a DB/WP.

Oh well, since i do own a MA/reg, i can recommend that. Its fun to play, even if it does feel a little "underpowered" at times. The AoE is not that good, and the even the single tgt dmg of the MA is not that great imo. However, the knockdown of the one and only AoE does provide nice mitigation. And personally, i love crane kick animation and long knockback, so...

For the regen, i like it very much, since it demands constant attention and click click clickys. A nice counterpart compared to my Kat/SR scrappie.
I also think that the /regen performs pretty well in the survivability department. Cant really compare to /INV since i dont have any (dunno i've always considered 'em _too boring_ [sry for all who love the /INV])

I'd personally suggest going with the mix of both and going MA/WP I love mine, lots of fun, i can focus on attacking, and there really isn't any power that i need to worry about long animations for with the combo. Good endurance, good sturdiness, all around fun build to play.

If its for a strict concept reason that it has to be one or the other i'd go with the ma/inv. As mentioned the animation times can hurt with regen. However going for superrecharge on dragon's tail is a nice consistent mitigation for regen for you to regenerate without getting hit much. That's why i went with the MA/WP for mine. Sturdy, and i have the time to recover with RTTC. Best of both worlds.

I like my spine/inv. Some sets are also good with inv like DB. But the regen has been a weary beast to me lately. Too many weapons sets that make the redraw just annoying, and the non-weapons sets have either a long animation crux and in general the clickiness of regen can get annoying as well. WP was definitely a nice alternative to regen. The only regen I think i'd probably play in the future is a elec/regen. t-strikes animation would hurt it a lot though, but its a cool combo without redraw, and has good aoe, which the unlimited endurance on regen somewhat begs for.

ohhhhh

The top 2 secondaries on my list.
Can't go wrong with either one.





Roll them both ... ;-)