Numbers and exemplaring - how far off am I?


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Can someone tell me if my reasoning is off here?

Right now I've got a second build going with Meridian, my level 50 Energy/Energy blaster. In his build there are nothing but level 50 enhancements: Set IO's, Common IO's and a smattering of Hamidons. I initially did this for concept and practicality reasons; I wanted a "maxed" version of Meridian, but given how hard/expensive it can be to get IO'd out with (nice) sets, I decided to hit the Commons first and added the Hami's on a whim.

Now, Enhancement Diversification basically limits you to practically using only 3 SO's worth of enhancement for any given attribute a power may have. So, at level 50, 3-slotting a particular attribute with level 50 common IO's is a pretty big waste. However, enhancement scaling is per enhancement, reducing its effectiveness. So, in theory, when exemplared I might make out better in some regards. The nice thing here is this - no worrying about Set Bonuses makes this a lot easier and cheaper on me!

To illustrate - my stamina is slotted with 4 IO's. 3 of them are level 50 Common End Mods, and one is a level 50 Performance Shifter: Chance for +Endurance. I used Ouroboros to exemplar myself to the following levels:
Before ED - 126.9% (waaay past ED)
Level 50 - 99.1% bonus
Level 24 - 85.3%
Levle 14 - n/a

Power Blast/Bolt/Burst all have 2 Acc/Dam level 50 Hamis, 2 level 50 Recharges, plus a single Dam/End and End both at 50. (Acc, Dam, Rech, End):
Before ED - 66.7, 93.1%, 83.3%, 68.9%
Level 50 - 66.7%, 90.2%, 83.3%, 68.9%
Level 24 - 46.4%, 64.8%, 58%, 47.4%
Level 14 - 24.1%, 33.6%, 30.1%, 24.6%

Sadly, that's as low as Ouroboros would let me go. Now, since they're all schedule A traits (8/16/33), I sort of squint funny, round a bit and look at things this way...

Stamina
Before ED - 4 SO's
Level 50 - 3 SO's
Level 24 - 2.75 SO's
Levle 14 - n/a

Power Blast/Bolt/Burst:
Level 50 - 2 SO's, 3 SO's, 2.5 SO's, 2 SO's (total - 9.5 slots worth of SO's)
Level 24 - 1.5 SO's, 2 SO's, 1.75 SO's, 1.5 SO's (total - 5.75 slots worth of SO's or 11.5 DO's)
Level 14 - 1.5 DO's, 2 DO's, 2 DO's, 1.5 DO's (7 slots worth of DO's)

Compare those with my normal build:

Stamina - 3 level 30 End Mod IO's
Before ED - 104.4
Level 50 - 95.7% (-3.4%)
Level 24 - 72.4% (-12.9%)
Level 14 - n/a

Power Blast - 1 Acc lev 50, 1 Dam lev 30, 1 Dam lev 35, 1 Rech level 30, 1 Dam/Rech level 36
Level 50 - 42.4%, 91.3%, 58%
Level 24 - 29%, 65.9%, 40%
Level 14 - 14%, 34.2%, 20.9%

Kind of interesting. I'm actually fairly horrible with numbers and stat mongering, but so far it does look good if I'm going low. More to the point, if I'm going below the point where my IO Set bonuses are available. Certainly, at level 24 all of them are gone. At the moment I do not have any of my fun procs worked into the second build (Chance to Hold and such), but am considering it. I'm not going to be putting Purples into this build, either - that's for my other, normal, build.

I haven't had a chance to hit Test yet - will hopefully do that tonight. The lowest you can get Stamina is at level 15 if exemplared, right? Exemplar level + 5 levels for powers, right?

If I'm waaay off on this, let me know. But I'm kind of wanting to have a nice second build that does better for exemplaring since my set bonuses won't carry over...


 

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http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Exemplar...n_Enhancements

shows the math

For exemping down to level 20 consider frankenslotting level 25 Dual-Aspect IOs, level 43 Tri-Aspect IOs, and level 50 Quad-Aspect IOs. This is due to the minor bonus threshold (anything at 20% or below is unaffected by exemping to 21)

Taking a ranged attack and slotting:

Quote:
Ruin - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge: Level 40
Devastation - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge: Level 50
Devastation - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge: Level 43
Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance: Level 43
Thunderstrike - Damage/Endurance/Recharge: Level 43
Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge: Level 43

gives a total bonus of: 93.18% Accuracy, 93.57% Damage, 76.8% Endurance Reduction and 93.18% Recharge Reduction at full effect from level 21 to 50.



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I must've been up too late doing this... completely missed that.

That is...scary. Wow. Thanks Catwhoorg!

Now, in situations where I can't do that (like the Stamina example above) would overloading ED possibly be viable?


 

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judging from this:

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The lowest you can get Stamina is at level 15 if exemplared, right? Exemplar level + 5 levels for powers, right?
The OP is trying to calculate things based in I16 exemplaring, which isn't the same as I15 exemplaring. I haven't kept up with exactly how exemplaring is changing in I16, but based on current rules on Live, your calculations are off by a percent or two (lower than they should be).


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Well, so long as its in the ballpark

I did everything on live last night (stayed up too late to boot!) trying to figure stuff out-ish. So if this seems somewhat incoherent/rambly, that's the reason why.


 

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Originally Posted by Psyte View Post
Sadly, that's as low as Ouroboros would let me go.
You can use Ouroboros to exemp to level 9 with the Negotiator badge mission. I can't recall the name of it but I used it to hunt Coralax in the Hollows so they would aggro on my badge collector.


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Yes overslotting in Stamina is perfectly reasonable when trying to make a exemp build



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I do think this is going to be moderately game-changing for me. Thanks again

edit: No, super-seriously. This massively affects me wanting to chase after purples now, and is far more interesting. Plus the idea of going down that far and being that powerful? Scary. Even if/when it starts scaling down lower than 20, I think doing old stuff will be very WOW


 

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Dumb question: should I consider this to be something the devs might consider an exploit, so I shouldn't get too terribly attached to it, just in case?


 

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I doubt it, but the only ones who can say for sure are the devs. If you want a definitive stance, PM a dev, or PM a community folk to ask a dev for you.


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Will do. And I *love* your avatar there


 

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Thank you! Psygon made it for me. She's currently backlogged with requests, sadly

She has done some RIDICULOUSLY cute stuff, including a cute-ified TV-head Lost.

EDIT: PS, the link in your sig is broken!


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There has been no Dev comment about it being an exploit, unlike say the HO one (using defdebuff instead of defbuff)



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