The stealth IOs are "unique" in that you can only have on slotted on a given character (per build, of course). However, they do stack with Stealth, the concealment pool power, as well as Invisibility, the stealth effect of Super Speed, and any other stealth effects you may have available to your character. Since I tend to take Super Speed on most of my characters anyway, partly because it has built in stealth, more often than not I invest in a Celerity +Stealth, slot it into SS's base slot, and go to town with it.
~WP
Just my opinion, feel free to disregard...
As mentioned, you can only slot one stealth IO, even if they're from different sets. This is different from the usual definition of "unique" for IOs, which typically restrict you to one from each set, even if you can find "unique" IOs with the same effect in different sets.
You can stack a Stealth IO with any other source of +Stealth, such as SuperSpeed (in PvE), the Stalker Hide power, the concealment Pool, etc. This applies even to powers that mention stealth power exclusivity, such as how you cannot run both Stealth (the power) and Steamy Mist. While you cannot use those powers together, you can use either one with a stealth IO.
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American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
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Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
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Red
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Actually, SS doesn't really give you "stealth" iirc; it simply lowers your threat level to 0 as opposed to 1. So enemies technically SEE you, but don't attack.
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Originally Posted by W Peace
The stealth IOs are "unique" in that you can only have on slotted on a given character (per build, of course). However, they do stack with Stealth, the concealment pool power, as well as Invisibility, the stealth effect of Super Speed, and any other stealth effects you may have available to your character. Since I tend to take Super Speed on most of my characters anyway, partly because it has built in stealth, more often than not I invest in a Celerity +Stealth, slot it into SS's base slot, and go to town with it.
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No, it does both.|
Originally Posted by EmperorSteele
Actually, SS doesn't really give you "stealth" iirc; it simply lowers your threat level to 0 as opposed to 1. So enemies technically SEE you, but don't attack.
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To nitpick - you can only slot one type of stealth IO in a given build, but the effect granted can actually stack when you zone (i.e. activate the power with the IO in it, then load into a new zone - when you zone through, you'll have the IO double-stacked for about 120 seconds). That's certainly not intentional but it has to do with the way buffs are tracked across zones - the system still sees the buff on you after you zone, it just doesn't remember who it came from. This is the same reason buffs like Fortitude or the Cold/Sonic/FF/Therm shields will stack from the same caster if your target zones between castings.
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Originally Posted by EmperorSteele
Actually, SS doesn't really give you "stealth" iirc; it simply lowers your threat level to 0 as opposed to 1. So enemies technically SEE you, but don't attack.
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What the folks above already said. This is incorrect. SS does, indeed, grant actual stealth, though only in PvE. It also lowers your threat level by one. |
Originally Posted by EmperorSteele
Actually, SS doesn't really give you "stealth" iirc; it simply lowers your threat level to 0 as opposed to 1. So enemies technically SEE you, but don't attack.
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Additionally, note that not all ATs have a base threat level of one. For example, it is 4 for Tankers and Brutes.
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American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
I figured it would be like that. Thanks for all the quick replies.
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If I remember my redname posts, the reason pets don't zone with their caster is that, due to this same bug, they forget who their summoner is and become hostile NPCs.|
Originally Posted by macskull
No, it does both.
To nitpick - you can only slot one type of stealth IO in a given build, but the effect granted can actually stack when you zone (i.e. activate the power with the IO in it, then load into a new zone - when you zone through, you'll have the IO double-stacked for about 120 seconds). That's certainly not intentional but it has to do with the way buffs are tracked across zones - the system still sees the buff on you after you zone, it just doesn't remember who it came from. This is the same reason buffs like Fortitude or the Cold/Sonic/FF/Therm shields will stack from the same caster if your target zones between castings. |
Issue 16 has fixed this, and pets will be zoning with their casters. I wouln't be surprised if stealth IOs, Numina/Miracle/Regenerative Tissue uniques, "Doesn't stack from same caster" powers and others like these are all fixed so they can't be reapplied by zoning, either before i16, or soon afterwards.
If that's the case, I'll miss entering missions with 1:30 of 2-6 Numina's Unique bonuses on me. >_>
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I'm one of those folks who likes to have SS plus a Celerity +Stealth IO. One slotting technique not covered so far is to put the IO in Sprint instead of SS. That does a couple of things for you: it allows you to be able to see your costume most of the time (I get annoyed by the persistent 2 minutes of the see-through effect when I toggle off SS), and it allows you to use your slot in SS for either +speed or -End. With this combo slotting you just need to remember to toggle on Sprint when you want full PVE invis; if you don't want to run both Sprint and SS, you can just toggle on Sprint momentarily once every two minutes.
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American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
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Possibly. While the pets zone with the caster, they lose all their buffs. That suggests to me that they may still not have the ability to stop double buffs. That would be a potential reason to strip the buffs - to keep MMs from "double upgrading" their pets.
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Originally Posted by Roderick
Issue 16 has fixed this, and pets will be zoning with their casters. I wouln't be surprised if stealth IOs, Numina/Miracle/Regenerative Tissue uniques, "Doesn't stack from same caster" powers and others like these are all fixed so they can't be reapplied by zoning, either before i16, or soon afterwards.
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Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
Ooohh, okay. Consider that myth busted, thanks!
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Quick question: If I take to different +stealth IOs and slot them, do the effects stack, giving me invisibility, or can I only benefit from one? Specifically, I was thinking about putting one in CJ and the other in Sprint.