Can it be done?

I honestly thought him having me on ignore would remove the need for arguements but sadly all it has done is allow him to continue to take shots at me in thread after thread without having to take return fire. Dandy.

Lets review.

Because I believe some powers perform better than others and that some builds outperform others I am a nazi who thinks everyone has to build as I command. Even though...

I prefer everyone builds what they want but would prefer that everyone know that some combinations of powers will give them an advantage over builds lacking these, which makes me something like a religious zealot. Because...

I think everyone should know this sort of information so they make informed decisions on what they truely want out of their build. Which makes me elitist?

Please, I'm elitist because I believe my views are correct?
Do any of you think your views are incorrect? If you did you would find other views right?
By this definition is anyone not elitist?
Would I still be elitist if I believed just as strongly but had the same opinions as "The One"?

Please... I'm not supportive enough of ideas I believe to be wrong? Yes , because everyone supports things they do not agree with. Build however you like it makes no difference to me." isn't enough because i'm not saying "wow thats great, I love how you six slotted brawl, thats a really clever Idea."

Replying to a poster asking how they should build their Kheldian because their having a hard time with it with "Whatever you come up with will be grand because it's all about the fun and concept builds *smiley**wink**smiley*" or "This is the challenge build I'm using because Khelds have gotten too easy for my superior play skillz lol lovin it lol" is not being supportive it's being a tool. They came to the forums because they need build/figures/information help support not hugs and stories about the awesome thing you did last week and made a video of.

And conversly my bluntly pointing out what I honestly believe to be flaws in the build I'm seeing is not me being an unhelpfull zealot, nazi, elitist *******.

Ok, I'll cop to leaning a bit to the zealot because I am pretty sure I am right, but unlike another poster (who says nothing I can ever say will change his thinking he is correct) If somebody can show me how I am wrong in a way I can grasp I'm more than willing to change my thinking as I did when I asked Darkstar to help me improve my build. She showed me things I hadn't thought of personaly and it led to a semi-large change in my build/playstyle (which has turned out remarkably well).

Nazi? Really? Your really going to use THAT word?

Elitist? Yes thats a great word for anyone who would like to see information distributed to everyone for the benifit of everyone.

I'm not the one hung up on my own awesome button, I do not need to post pics of my set bonuses and video myself to prove my coolness to others.

I do not need to set somebody on ignore so that I can continue to take shots at them in thread after thread.

I do not need to make freakout posts where I tell people to "go **** themselves because they obviously need it".

I do not need to list a link in my sig called "Best Post EVER" that leads directly to some attempted insult I made at another person who wasn't even involved in that thread.

I do not need to start up three different threads about the "tests" i'm doing to let all my fans know i'm still ok.

I could go on, but I just remembered I'm the meanie and AlienOne is the nice kind selfless saint of the Kheldian forums....

Please..

Wow!!! Nicely said OF. this is not the place to go after someone because thier views are slightly different. All I know about my WS i learned from OF. He showed me all kinds of tricks and tips, but all along made sure that i could slot or play my shade however i felt. With my shade i have tanked Romie numerous times on the ITF, along with several other AV/EB's. I also fit very well on any team. I team with OF all the time and he is a very good team player. He can hold his own on a team just as good, if not better than most tanks and blasters. Please try and stay on topic and not go after someone because thier views and playstyle differ.

In the terms of Kheldians, I believe anything is possible and can be done. If one just does thier research. Also, each persons definition of fun is different, so keep that in mind.

Everyone have a great day and remember KHELDIANS ROCK!!!

Thanks Squidster!

Hey Alien One, where did Demonic Raven ever say that she was better than anyone or even implied that she was? She was trying to refocus the thread to something a little more productive. In your view then, because she is a friend of Obsidian Force she must be the same Nazi Zealot Elitist that is forcing an agenda down everyone's throat?

Keep your personal attacks to yourself. Do you need to reread the forum behavior guidlines again or should we just get a mod to close the thread?

This is what you said in your post "That said, I'm glad that you have a good time teaming with him, and I wish you both well in your quest to be better than everyone else."

Am I miss quoting here?

You have basically accused her of being better then everyone else. Again I ask where does she imply or even say that she is better then everyone else? I can only fathom that because she is a friend of Obsidian's and that you have made the assumption that she is in a "quest to be better then everyone else" then she must be, in your mind, the same as Obsidian. Which you have accused of being several of the aformentioned words.

The comment was an attempt to bring the thread back on topic. I appologize to Pyro for where the thread has led. It was an attempt to show that yes a Kheld can solo an EB/AV under the right circumstances. In OF's opinion a triform would make this easier. I'll be the first to admit that I am in no way "better than everyone else".

You are EXACTLY correct.

This entire board is full of hypocracy. Wow, someone else gets it.

One can't come on these boards and tell a story about how they teamed up with some friends and kicked butt, or post a video of a Kheldian TEST in a new upcoming issue or talk about their own build they've come to enjoy without getting attacked for it, and yet those same people who do the attacking make the same sort of claims, without any sort of proof.

But, they're "right," and I'm "wrong."

Why?

Because they said so.

Again I say, hypocracy for the win.

"The One"

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Originally Posted by Infernus_Hades The way you play changes your IO slotting..

I have looked at a few very basic numbers (I was going to refine them, but there isn't much point when you see the conclusion) and decided that Warshades in particular realistically cannot solo an AV. At least not without temps or insps, which I am counting here.

The situation I thought would be best was for a human only Warshade (Using a perma-hasten build full or procs - I ignored accuracy and end when slotting the powers for this), against a non-mezzing AV, surrounded in melee by a load of minions to use as Eclipse fodder.

The survivability wouldn't be a problem with Eclipse perma and the ability to use the self heal in the attack chain, and to 1 shot a minion for a 50% heal whenever it was really needed. The endurance wouldn't be a problem due to eclipse refreshing every 90s too.

The damage was the problem. Particularly because using Sunless Mire is at odds with keeping the minions alive for Eclipse fodder, and using anything longer lasting than minions would probably lead to your downfall.

I think you need about 95dps to beat the regen of an AV. But the best attack chain I found was:

Gravity Well > Shadow Blast > Gravimetric Snare > Essence Drain

For 686.5 damage over 7.34 seconds or 93.5 dps, which isn't enough.

You can potentially add in Sunless Mire once or twice, plus you will have some pet support from Dark Extraction, but although that would give you enough DPS to damage the AV, you would be cutting your Eclipse fodder down too fast to finish the AV off, and at some point would have to stop kiling minions for pets, and the AV would regen again.

Then I thought maybe Nova would be able to manage it, and since all the survivability stuff is the same as a human only that still isn't much of an issue, except that you may have to kill the minions for healing more often than a human would.

The Nova attack chain would be:

Dark Nova Bolt > Dark Nova Blast

For 341.6 damage over 3 seconds, or 113.8 dps.

That is enough to beat the regen of an AV, but not by much.

Again you would have the option of killing minions for pets, and the option to stay at range and take less damage, but I think the damage is so low that you would end up having to take out the minions for healing faster than you would kill the AV.

I could go on to work out the average damage you would sustain from the AV and thus how many minions you would need to kill for healing but I don't think it is worthwhile really. Even with 85% resists you will be taking a lot of punishment.

However then I had an epiphony, and while it is cheating the Nictus at the end of the ITF don't aggro if you attack them from far enough away, so there are at least 3 AV's a Warshade can (Slowly, very very slowly) solo!

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Originally Posted by Aggelakis PrincessDarkstar: "RAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHHH SOMEONE IS *WRONG* ON THE INTERNET!"

That's actually how the all-Kheld iTFs finished successfully... Everyone used the "blaster" mentality and blasted the essences from a distance without aggroing the AV.

Interesting points there... I didn't figure that a Kheld could solo an AV, but I never saw any concrete evidence to prove otherwise... Thanks for the info!

"The One"

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Originally Posted by Infernus_Hades The way you play changes your IO slotting..

Actually those figures have made me quite sad so I am making it my mission to find out the best AV to try this against and I am going to run the full maths using my build, the theory says that with enough minions about it is possible, so I want to know how many is needed.

I have asked on the scrapper section for advice on which target to pick.

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Originally Posted by Aggelakis PrincessDarkstar: "RAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHHH SOMEONE IS *WRONG* ON THE INTERNET!"

Granted when I solo, i tend to leave the settings down and not pad the team. (a Little bit of a chicken). With all the discussion i decided to give a try at soloing an eb/av with my triform.
I was able to take down Siege set at a lvl 50 EB. Using binds and quick shift changes, one should be able to take him as an AV as well. Granted like i said, I did not pad the mission and i was only on heoric. I dont tend to use HeroStats so i cant give you exact numbers such as my dps, but in human form i regen at 16.9hp/s and rec at 3.47 end/sec. So i am sure that with the right set bouses, its definately possible. I can see a human form succeeding as well esepecially with multiple pets out. If you do die, you can self rez while the pets take the agro and go right back to the fight.