Can it be done?

AlienOne posted a link to my thread in the scrapper forums on the first page of this thread from a while back when I was actively working on this. You can read more there on the exact build and attack chain I was using. I was using Maruader and Bobcat primarily for attempts. Princess has the right idea, the information is very similar to what I posted previously.

This forum cracks me up though. Whenever we brought this up in the past the thread was quickly highjacked into "I love my khelds for the fun and endless good times, why should I solo an AV?" (insert multiple smilies here) "Now let's get back to discussing the best void hunter costumes!". Don't get me wrong, not criticizing anyone, I love my Khelds too. Which is exactly why I want to push the limits of them in every way I can. Most days you guys could care less about numbers which is exactly why I posted in the scrapper forums originally.

There is a general tone on the Kheld forum that seems to suggest min/maxer's are not welcome here. I'm not taking sides with anyone, but as a lurker I definitely feel that unless I post about "the bestest things about Khelds" my post with either get 300 views with no replies/help, or simply be highjacked by people.

I just read that thread and it seems interesting, how much damage did you take against Bobcat? Were you ever in any real danger against her or was it just a case of hoping you could kill her before you ran out of pet and Eclipse fodder?

Looking at my build I am starting to think that Black Dwarf might be the best form, I already have an attack chain with just the two main attacks that causes about 100dps, plus the self heal (Though at the cost of dps when I need it) and since Bobcat is s/l damage I only need 1 minion for Eclipse fodder, allowing me to use pretty much all of them for healing/pets and keep going longer.

I had hoped to be on last night to check out Bobcats stats but I dont think I will get on until tomorrow night now, but at somepoint I will try and work out how possible killing her would be and how many minions etc would be needed using the various forms.

Ideally I don't want to have to change my build much for this, but can use the test server if necessary.

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Originally Posted by Aggelakis PrincessDarkstar: "RAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHHH SOMEONE IS *WRONG* ON THE INTERNET!"

I do not believe anyone dissagrees with that and to the best of my knowledge nobody has ever said "everyone should build/play like THIS".

What they ARE doing is saying "This combination of powers/styles will on average for (most) players will generate better results."

And the responce we usually get from some folks on the boards is "Thats not true in every case so what your saying is wrong."

Were not saying anyone should min/max their build only that if min/maxxing is your goal there simply are some things that will produce better results than others, they will produce better results both on paper and in the "field" as well, thats all.

The build possibilities of somebody trying to get maxximum effectiveness are much, much more limited than what you will commonly read on these particular forums.

We do NOT want everyone required to build one way and one way only, what we do want is for people looking for the best efficiency to be able to come to the forums and EASILY find the information their looking for without a half dozen posters making unrelated arguements to muddy the waters with disscussions about how not everyone builds for efficency, or damage, or that it's all about the fun and maxxing a build isn't needed.

This sort of information in no way tells anyone they HAVE to build like this or else. The people who are not interested in the information can ignore it totaly or partially to their preferance, but the type of derailment I see in these forums leave people who do want to min/max a build confused and missled by the sheer number of posts that simply are not contributing to help find the best way to min/max their build.

Maybe it's partly that posters asking questions are not specific enough in what they want from the start but when somebody asks "How do I do this?" I read it as asking for the most efficient way, not the most fun way, or the best way without using powers x, y and z unless they specify so.

And even if they do specify not using some powers I will still most likely briefly point out what their losing by skipping them (unless they seem to already know what they will be missing or seem particularly knowledgeable of the game) just so they are totaly aware of what they will be missing, not to push them into building my way but just so they can make a totaly informed decision.

If they wanna build a different way than suggested it does not bother me in the least because their making a fully informed decision, but to not mention what they will (in my opinion) be missing out on I think is doing a disservice to the person asking for advice.

Edit: I will say AlienOne is correct about there being no "One" build for every situation, but there IS one build that will best cover the most situations possible (I do not think it has not been found yet as nobody has run enough scenerios) but the fact some people might not like some of the specifics of this build (such as power X or slotting choice Z) in no way makes it not the most effective choice, it does however make it less effective to that specific person because they hate it and will probably avoid using it to best effect because of personal dislike.

It's only not as effective to them by choice not because it won't actually produce better results. And this is fine too, so long as it's recognized as such.

Sorry to derail things... but in all the issues since Issue #3 until now (Issue #15), has there been a successful Kheldian AV soloist? You know, someone who documented their Kheldian successfully soloing most (if not all) the AV's in the game?

Not to my knowledge. I would think that someone who was able to do this (and successfully document it, instead of just pointing out by numbers on paper that it's *possible*) would have been psyched to share that accomplishment/screenshot/video with the rest of the City of Heroes Community.

Or it could be that my "search fu" isn't strong enough to find anything posted like that.

"The One"

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Originally Posted by Infernus_Hades The way you play changes your IO slotting..

I haven't seen anyone post in the Kheldian boards about soloing an AV with their Kheld. Honestly, I don't think it was even possible before i13, and I would be pleasantly surprised if it was possible now. We are simply better at AoE damage than ST damage, that doesn't translate well into AV fights.

The way I was planning is that if you make the build with perma-Sunless Mire then every 30s you will be dropping to human for that buff to increase your DPS (Though I didn't calculate this into the DPS), every third Sunless Mire you will also Eclipse, and every 4th you will also hit Hasten.

It has just occured to me though that having pets around will increase the rate at which you kill the minions, so everytime I have a thought I then have to reconsider it!

I think over the weekend I might just see how I cope against Bobcat on the test server, mapped for 6 to 8 there should be plenty of fodder and I can just drag her from spawn to spawn if the minions keep getting killed.

I need a slight respec first, but they are free on test anyway.

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Originally Posted by Aggelakis PrincessDarkstar: "RAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHHH SOMEONE IS *WRONG* ON THE INTERNET!"

What I am thinking is to have a build on test which I can fill with copies of enhancements from transfered toons from live (multiple copies) to fill it, then check out which AVs come with low enough regen and are potentially survivable and go at it for a painstakingly long time. I've put in procs just now but my accuracy isn't going to be so good now. I foresee a stalemate tbh where I can only tackle the regen realistically after a certain point.

Edit: Oh and if you do warshade then I will do peacebringer.