WS or PB for DPS?

Between the two Archetypes, which one would be conisdered better for dishing out damage and leveling faster from 1-50? I have a 14 PB and 20 WS and want to level them both but I'm not sure which one would be easier first. I like the look of the PB but WS seems much better with Dark Extraction and Stygian Circle.

PB will do better DPS against single targets (In general), but Warshades will outdamage them a lot in AoE because of Sunless Mire.

But the AoE damage will only come from Nova, so it also depends how you like playing.

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How is PB with end and such? Does a WS have less down time cause of Stygian Circle?

I like the look of Solar Flare more than Mire :P That's the only reason I'm thinking of a PB lol

I don't really see how the PB can be considered a more tanky class than the WS. I use a triform WS who has sadly and unintentionally become a triformer in skill and a dual form(dwarf/human) in practice. I am currently working on an all human PB because I don't consider dwarf strong enough on its own to stand up against the kind of tanking that my perma-eclipse WS's dwarf form frequently stands up to.

Best case scenario you can get 59% damage resistance out of a PB in dwarf, but thanks clicky goodness of eclipse with some +recharge you are looking at a constant 85% damage resistance. So a difference in 41% damage getting through and 15%. Which means that my WS takes nearly 1/3 the damage of the PB. The heal/health boost the PB has don't seem to make up for that discrepancy nearly enough. You can discount the heal all together thanks to stygian circle, so really, now you ask me would I rather have 30% more health or take 2/3 less damage? No contest.

Good points.

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Originally Posted by Infernus_Hades The way you play changes your IO slotting..

I hadn't considered the effects of Cosmic Balance on the ability of a PB to tank, that is a good point. The ability of a PB to heal regardless of circumstance is sort of bleh to me, I either draw life from the enemies, or draw it from the defeated, both of which are present 99% of the time when I am taking damage.

Two of the self heals that the PB has require human form though, so to access them you have to exit dwarf, which without eclipse seems like a risky venture. Especially for the instant before you reactivate your toggle shields.

I believe my views are skewed by the fact that I mostly use my WS to solo levels that have been spawned with 8 players worth of enemies, and thus capping my damage and damage resistance is never an issue.

So, to get the thread back on track, the Warshade has the better DPS for team play. Even without a kin on a team of 4+ I can usually check my combat attributes at random and see that I am at my 300% damage cap. Combine that with a high recharge rate and dwarf mire actually is my biggest damage dealer, with fluffies, unchain essence, and double mired quasar making up the rest. Sunless mire isn't as much of a damage dealer, given smaller radius and lower damage than dwarf mire, but it is more focused as a buff anyways, given its longer duration.

My preliminary PB build dosen't look as promising in DPS or anything really at this point, but I am determined to make it work. Sort of pigeon holed myself into human form, because if I want triform, I go with my WS.

While I agree with almost all your points, I would also argue that "jumping away from enemies who are still alive to execute a heal" is NOT safer than positioning yourself above enemies who are already dead for a heal. There is inherently more danger to yourself if there are enemies still alive who are (hopefully) taunted.

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Originally Posted by Infernus_Hades The way you play changes your IO slotting..

I had to check this before posting but I was right, the -20% recharge debuff on a well slotted Dwarf Mire could keep a consistant -40% recharge on tanked mobs allowing the WS to avoid needing to shake off enemies for even a second.

And I KNOW how much you guys love alternative methods to reach the same destination..