Fleetting Whisper is working on a cross platform version of Mids.
Any other user made program isn't unfair if its designer didn't feel like making it for macs.
Entitlement issues; you have them.
Ok, thank you.
There are several issues at work here:
1. Those extra pieces of software you mention are *not* made by Paragon Studios. They have no obligation to update them or support them. And they couldn't if they wanted to, since they don't own the code.
2. Those extras also are barely being developed for PC anymore. Mids was virtually abandoned for several issues (someone is rumored to be picking it up, but since they aren't being paid its subject to spare time restrictions), Demo Launcher hasn't been updated in a while either. Even the web-based ones are ancient. So it would be more correct to say Windows *had* all of those tools, past tense. It's going to be tough to convince a developer who virtually abandoned a Windows project to not only work on it again, but it add a Mac version.
3. Nobody pays developers of those tools, which is both why they aren't being developed further, and why there aren't any new Mac ones yet. With people being worked harder for less money these days, there isn't much spare time or incentive to spend dozens of hours writing software they won't be paid for. On top of that, hosting them so people can download them costs money many people don't have.
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I dont want to seem rude, so I just want you to know that a head of time before you read this.
1. I know.
2.Yes, I never said who it was going to be by, I just asked if at some point an alternative could be made.
3.as I said above.
I think you need to go back to your other options, as they are viable. Parrallels or boot camp work great. Actually running the game through boot camp is even better than running it natively on many PC's. Seriously, spend 75 bucks on an OEM version of xp or vista and load it up. I know i know, you heard that already, but seriously your wasting your time complaining.
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I dont want to seem rude, so I just want you to know that a head of time before you read this.
2.Yes, I never said who it was going to be by, I just asked if at some point an alternative could be made. |
In short, someone has to want to develop for a given platform.
The paucity of third-party add-ins and supplemental programs for Mac are a function of the small market that Mac represents in the community. The newness of the native Mac client is largely irrelevant, as you were able to obtain CoH on a Mac via other means (Parallels, BootCamp, VMWare, etc) prior to this. Nobody developed the supplemental tools then either.
Therefore, if nobody has the desire to provide you with the tools you want, the onus falls upon you to provide the tools for yourself. If you have the capability but not the desire, there are entitlement issues that need to be worked out.
If you are simply technically incapable of providing it yourself, it's a "sucks to be you" situation. And you have three choices.
- Wait (indefinitely) for someone to provide the tools you want.
- Pay someone to build the tools for you.
- Get a copy of Windows and dual-boot/virtualize, then run the Wintel apps you want.
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I have bootcamp, yes, but do I have a vista's CD? No, no I do not. I tried it using my laptops disks, and it was... annoying. I have my sister's disks, but sadly for some reason they do not work with Bootcamp. I put them in and it says that it cannot install, since it's a Mac, and not a vista. I have no idea why it would do such a thing, unless I have the wrong disks, but personally I dont know. The only other option is to get my dad's vista disks, but I'm afraid I can't find them currently, and I don't feel like being interrogated by a lawyer (My dad) about what I want to do with those disks. He's very protective over his computers, if you havent noticed from my first post.|
Originally Posted by _Inc__NA
I think you need to go back to your other options, as they are viable. Parrallels or boot camp work great. Actually running the game through boot camp is even better than running it natively on many PC's. Seriously, spend 75 bucks on an OEM version of xp or vista and load it up. I know i know, you heard that already, but seriously your wasting your time complaining.
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To Hyperstrike:
Yes, it does "Suck to be" me. I have no knowledge on how to code, period, and would not know how to start. If I knew, believe me, I would. Sadly the only coding I have ever known was Game Maker coding, and I'm 99.5% sure that wont work on anything else but Game Maker.
By the way:
I'd like to ask why 2 people have brought down my karma, when I'm trying to be as calm and polite as possible on this situation. If I seemed rude, I'm sorry for acting that way. It wasn't right, since you people aren't the one's I should be getting mad at or anything. (No one is to blame, really.)
I read the negative comment someone left (Lowering my karma), and I'd like to point out that I was not whining in my first post, I was simply stating the problem I have.
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Hi, Mac user here, been playing for a few months.
Answer? Nope, no problem here. Fan-produced programs will always be more prevalent on the platform with more users, just because there's a much larger user base to generate the one or two guys who 1) are motivated, and 2) are skilled enough to make them.
Just the way it is.
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Of course, I'm used to this stuff from decades of dealing with shareware, fanfic, and other similar fan made stuff. I don't complain to the fanfic writer that there hasn't been an update to My Favorite Story #13.... because I'm not a writer. He/she is doing it because they like to/want to/feel like it. They have little to no obligation to me to produce free content on my schedule; it's their hobby, not their job.
Or.... hey, Scorched Earth - '90s shareware artillery game - would have been awesome on the Mac, instead of just watching my dorm-mates play it on their PC - but, well, the author was a PC programmer. And there wasn't a Mac programmer who would/could port it. Them's the breaks.
I can't program, so while I can say "Hey, wouldn't it be cool if there were a Mac version of X/Y/Z?", I don't really have the standing to say "Dammit, why don't they get off their butts and make a Mac version of X/Y/X!"
...just my $0.02
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Lol, I'm not saying for the original creators to make a new version, I was saying that we should, at some point, get an alternative way. Maybe not the same program, maybe it would be, all I was saying is that I'd like some other way than running bootcamp |
Originally Posted by Kiralyn
Hi, Mac user here, been playing for a few months.
Answer? Nope, no problem here. Fan-produced programs will always be more prevalent on the platform with more users, just because there's a much larger user base to generate the one or two guys who 1) are motivated, and 2) are skilled enough to make them. Just the way it is. ----- Of course, I'm used to this stuff from decades of dealing with shareware, fanfic, and other similar fan made stuff. I don't complain to the fanfic writer that there hasn't been an update to My Favorite Story #13.... because I'm not a writer. He/she is doing it because they like to/want to/feel like it. They have little to no obligation to me to produce free content on my schedule; it's their hobby, not their job. Or.... hey, Scorched Earth - '90s shareware artillery game - would have been awesome on the Mac, instead of just watching my dorm-mates play it on their PC - but, well, the author was a PC programmer. And there wasn't a Mac programmer who would/could port it. Them's the breaks. I can't program, so while I can say "Hey, wouldn't it be cool if there were a Mac version of X/Y/Z?", I don't really have the standing to say "Dammit, why don't they get off their butts and make a Mac version of X/Y/X!" ...just my $0.02 |
And I'm sorry if you people are mad at me for asking for this, as I said I'm no programmer. I'm not rushing anyone, I'm not forcing anyone to do anything, all I'm saying is I'd like another way. If you find this rude, or whiney, I'm sorry, but it isn't.
I'm not:
Demanding anything
Forcing anyone to do anything
Pushing people's buttons
Whining
Crying
Or anything else
I'm just saying what I think should be said. I really just want to put an idea in someone's mind that'll come by and be like, "Hey... maybe I should work on that." (Hey, people can dream, can't they?), and I want to see how many others want these programs for Mac, too.
Oh right, if anyone wants to try and figure out why my sister's disks aren't working, my sister's computer is a Toshiba Satellite A300 series. The disks I'm trying to use are labeled Recovery and Apllications/Drivers (2 disks, both silver with black letters).
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I have bootcamp, yes, but do I have a vista's CD? No, no I do not. I tried it using my laptops disks
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What you usually get with most consumer computers nowadays are OEM system restore disks. They don't "fix" anything. They simply blast whatever's on the hard drive and overlay a clean, sysprepped image of the operating system.
As for whoever is punching negative rep. Ignore it. Rep is a silly, stupid little sub-game for most in these forums. It has very little to do with whether or not the things you post about are worthwhile. Moreover, some children think that negative rep is somehow punitive. So, when they want to tell someone they don't like them, but don't have the cojones or the loquaciousness (or both) to actually POST something to that effect, with their name on it and everything), they leave you an anonymous negative rep.
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I think the main problem is with your subject line.
"A little unfair?" has a lot of connotations attached to it. It makes it look like you feel you deserve something.
I'd totally agree, too. I'd love to see a hero planner for OS X. I thought about making one for a while, but I don't really have the time to spend on it at the moment...
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Originally Posted by Hyperstrike
You need actual INSTALL disks.
What you usually get with most consumer computers nowadays are OEM system restore disks. They don't "fix" anything. They simply blast whatever's on the hard drive and overlay a clean, sysprepped image of the operating system. |
Well guys, I guess there really isn't much else to talk about, everything else has led me back to Bootcamp, so I guess I'll try it with my windows XP stuff. Oddly, something happened to the real computer, and it has less RAM than what it's suppose to have. I tried using a Parallels trial to use windows on Mac, and it said 512...
To Frost:
Sorry, I must've missed your comment while I originally wrote this. Yeah, I was thinking it after awhile that it might offend some people, but really the topic name means nothing until you really read the first post. And for those people who do feel like I demanded the programs, noticed how I said "Little", not, "It's extremely unfair!!!".
I've been in touch with a few people already who have the desire to make Mac replacements for various 3rd party tools, but so far they either haven't had the time, or have lost the will, or simply left CoH. It's quite an accomplishment already that we got a Vidiotmaps installer about the same time as the CoH for Mac release.
At one time, I was certain that CoH would never be available as a native Mac game, but in time I was thankfully proven wrong. I learned from that, and now I won't say there will never be a hero planner or demoplay tool for Mac. It could very well happen, it's just not imminent.
Your Toshiba Vista disc won't work because Boot Camp specifies that you need a packaged retail CD (ordering an OEM disc in a package will work) rather than a manufacturer's restore disc or upgrade disc.
And yeah, that stupid rep thing, I hope the forum mods finally remove that feature from the boards. It's the electronic equivalent of throwing rotten tomatoes, and who brings rotten vegetables to a message board anyway??
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Originally Posted by _Inc__NA
Actually running the game through boot camp is even better than running it natively on many PC's.
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I'm rather baffled by this statement. How can it be better than running the game natively on a PC when that is exactly what you're doing when you're using Bootcamp?
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Heh.
(There's one case I could think of where "native PC" and Bootcamp would be a bit different..... graphics drivers. Apple doesn't seem to upgrade the Bootcamp drivers as often as ATI & nVidia's normal PC ones. Of course, I wouldn't think that'd be as big of an issue with an older game. Aren't most of the little driver updates to fix things with whatever's the Latest Cutting Edge thing?)
/shrug
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This. It has nothing to do with fairness. These people made something for themselves and then freely gave it to the rest of us to benefit from. In most cases not only are they not paid for their effots, they incur costs in the form of web hosts and other overhead costs to get the product to us.|
Originally Posted by CuppaManga
3. Nobody pays developers of those tools, which is both why they aren't being developed further, and why there aren't any new Mac ones yet. With people being worked harder for less money these days, there isn't much spare time or incentive to spend dozens of hours writing software they won't be paid for. On top of that, hosting them so people can download them costs money many people don't have.
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So no, maybe they haven't catered to Mac uses. And no, you don't have to get a PC. You could learn how to code and make it yourself, then generously give it to others as they have.
Suddenly it's not so easy, is it?
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I don't wanna' be rude, but I never said it was easy in the first place.
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This. It has nothing to do with fairness. These people made something for themselves and then freely gave it to the rest of us to benefit from. In most cases not only are they not paid for their effots, they incur costs in the form of web hosts and other overhead costs to get the product to us.
So no, maybe they haven't catered to Mac uses. And no, you don't have to get a PC. You could learn how to code and make it yourself, then generously give it to others as they have. Suddenly it's not so easy, is it? |
Ummm.
Hrmmm.
lol?
This was jokeski right?
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This is unfair in the same way that it is unfair that I am not being paid millions of dollars by someone...at some point.
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Originally Posted by KingCrazy
I really find it unfair how it's impossible to use any of those programs on Mac. I'm not asking anyone to make alternative ways (Though it'd be nice), but all I'm saying is that there needs to be some kind of Mac program made that will let you do all that, at SOME point. Not saying soon, not saying now... just, at some point.
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To clarify, i am saying that running it on a MAC via bootcamp (or natively, because that is what you would be doing) is in a lot of cases a better than running the game on a PC. basically, Mac's can run windows better than a PC can in a lot of cases (performance wise). Not that is truly baffling, wouldn't you think?
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Originally Posted by MrQuizzles
I'm rather baffled by this statement. How can it be better than running the game natively on a PC when that is exactly what you're doing when you're using Bootcamp?
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Before you continue reading, please leave if your comment is going to include these types of things:
-"Mac client hasn't been out for very long, and so no one has been able to make programs for CoH Mac"
-"Mac fails, buy a PC."
-"Use bootcamp."
-"Use VMware fusion."
-"Use CrossOver."
-"Use Parallels."
-"Use WINE."
Please resist from commenting these, I'm aware about all of them, and I don't need to be reminded.
Don't you guys think it's a little unfair that Mac doesn't have the ability to use programs that might help out in CoX? Well, not HELP out, but like we can't use a demo launcher to make things easier, we cant use the character designer, and we can't use many more of those nice programs.
I know, I know, "BUY A PC, MAC FAILS.", or "Mac client hasnt been out for very long..." I've heard it all before, but first, let me explain my situation...
Before I got my Mac, I was surrounded by slow, old PCs, ones with 256 MB of Ram, or less, so they couldn't run CoX (I tried on my HP Windows XP laptop). My only choice was my sister's Toshiba Vista laptop, since she first got me into CoX by hearing about it from friends, and installing it on her computer (I wont go into details). Well, that and my Dad's >WORK< laptop (Off limits, since whenever I download something, and then suddenly something on his computer doesnt work right, he blames the game I installed, when it has nothing to do with it) were the only choices of installation, but as you can guess, that isn't a choice. So when I got my iMac, I was happy since I could play with my sister in CoH at the same time. She'd bring her laptop down into the kitchen (Where the iMac is located), and we'd both get on different accounts. If at any time I needed to use one of the programs I mentioned earlier, I'd use her computer. Well, now, that sister, yeah she went to college, taking her computer with her. I'm left with my iMac, and a bunch of slow computers. I can't install CoX on any of them, in fear of low requirements, or anything else. I really want to use those programs, but sadly I can't, since I need the .net framework, and even WINE can't get Mac to install a windows .net framework. I've tried Mono, and no, it didn't work. Mac Mono, it asked for windows, windows, it gave me an error. I've tried Parallels, nothing. CrossOver, failure. Bootcamp, nope. WINE, not gonna work.
I really find it unfair how it's impossible to use any of those programs on Mac. I'm not asking anyone to make alternative ways (Though it'd be nice), but all I'm saying is that there needs to be some kind of Mac program made that will let you do all that, at SOME point. Not saying soon, not saying now... just, at some point.
Anyone else agree that we should get some alternative way some time/have this problem?