A few DM/SD questions

Eva Destruction · 08-04-2009 09:37 PM

I made a DM/SD Scrapper before I knew it was awesome, but now that I do know, I wanna be awesome too. I have 3 level 50 Scrappers and have never soloed an AV...none of them can even take on a pylon *hangs head in shame* This could be the one though...

I know there are guides out there, but I'd rather try my hand at doing my own build rather than copying other people's. I need some help though.

1st question: Can I keep Shield Charge and still be capable of putting out enough single-target DPS to take down hard targets like pylons and AVs? Please? Can I? I would like the character to maintain some general utility, since I don't feel like spending billions of inf twice. Yet.

2nd question: Shadow Maul: Right out? I'm thinking Midnight Grasp, Smite, and Siphon Life would be my big attacks, with Shadow Punch loaded with procs as filler?

3rd question: Just how much global recharge will I need?

4th question: Siphon Life: Slot for damage, slot for heal, or try to frankenslot for both and get my set bonuses elsewhere?

5th question: Can I softcap with Maneuvers and Tactics, or do I have to get the fighting pool and *shudder* Focused Accuracy?

6th question: Where do I find room to slot purples? I'm having trouble finding room to slot all the sets I need for softcapping....

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Demobot · 08-05-2009 12:00 AM

Posting my build can help with some of those questions.

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Umbral Vanguard: Level 50 Magic Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Dark Melee
Secondary Power Set: Shield Defense
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Fighting

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Smite

(A) Touch of Death - Accuracy/Damage
(3) Touch of Death - Damage/Endurance
(3) Touch of Death - Damage/Recharge
(5) Touch of Death - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
(5) Touch of Death - Damage/Endurance/Recharge
(9) Touch of Death - Chance of Damage(Negative)

Level 1: Deflection

(A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
(9) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance
(11) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance/Recharge
(11) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed

Level 2: Battle Agility

(A) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance
(13) Red Fortune - Defense
(13) Red Fortune - Endurance
(15) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance/Recharge
(15) Red Fortune - Defense/Recharge
(46) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed

Level 4: True Grit

(A) Numina's Convalescence - Heal
(21) Numina's Convalescence - Heal/Endurance
(21) Numina's Convalescence - +Regeneration/+Recovery
(43) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3%

Level 6: Combat Jumping

(A) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range
(7) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range/Endurance
(7) Blessing of the Zephyr - Knockback Reduction (4 points)
(23) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance
(43) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
(46) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed

Level 8: Siphon Life

(A) Kinetic Combat - Accuracy/Damage
(17) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance
(17) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Recharge
(19) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance/Recharge
(19) Touch of the Nictus - Healing
(43) Touch of the Nictus - Accuracy/Healing

Level 10: Active Defense

(A) HamiO:Membrane Exposure

Level 12: Hasten

(A) Recharge Reduction IO
(23) Recharge Reduction IO
(25) Recharge Reduction IO

Level 14: Super Jump

(A) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range
(25) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range/Endurance
(27) Blessing of the Zephyr - Knockback Reduction (4 points)

Level 16: Swift

(A) Run Speed IO

Level 18: Health

(A) Miracle - +Recovery

Level 20: Stamina

(A) Performance Shifter - EndMod
(27) Performance Shifter - Chance for +End
(29) Performance Shifter - EndMod/Accuracy
(29) Performance Shifter - EndMod/Accuracy/Recharge
(31) Performance Shifter - EndMod/Recharge

Level 22: Against All Odds

(A) Endurance Reduction IO

Level 24: Phalanx Fighting

(A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed

Level 26: Soul Drain

(A) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff
(31) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Recharge
(31) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Recharge/Endurance
(33) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Recharge/Endurance
(33) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Endurance
(33) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Chance for Build Up

Level 28: Grant Cover

(A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed

Level 30: Boxing

(A) Empty

Level 32: Midnight Grasp

(A) Hecatomb - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
(34) Hecatomb - Damage/Recharge
(34) Hecatomb - Accuracy/Recharge
(34) Hecatomb - Damage/Endurance
(36) Hecatomb - Chance of Damage(Negative)
(36) Crushing Impact - Damage/Endurance

Level 35: Shield Charge

(A) Obliteration - Damage
(36) Obliteration - Accuracy/Recharge
(37) Obliteration - Damage/Recharge
(37) Obliteration - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
(37) Obliteration - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
(39) Obliteration - Chance for Smashing Damage

Level 38: Dark Consumption

(A) Efficacy Adaptor - EndMod
(39) Efficacy Adaptor - EndMod/Recharge
(39) Efficacy Adaptor - EndMod/Accuracy/Recharge
(40) Efficacy Adaptor - Accuracy/Recharge
(40) Efficacy Adaptor - EndMod/Accuracy
(40) Efficacy Adaptor - EndMod/Endurance

Level 41: Tough

(A) Impervium Armor - Resistance/Endurance
(42) Impervium Armor - Resistance
(42) Impervium Armor - Resistance/Endurance/Recharge
(42) Impervium Armor - Endurance/Recharge

Level 44: Weave

(A) Red Fortune - Defense
(45) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance
(45) Red Fortune - Defense/Recharge
(45) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance/Recharge
(46) Red Fortune - Endurance

Level 47: Shadow Maul

(A) Armageddon - Damage/Recharge
(48) Armageddon - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
(48) Armageddon - Accuracy/Recharge
(48) Armageddon - Damage/Endurance
(50) Armageddon - Chance for Fire Damage

Level 49: Super Speed

(A) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range
(50) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range/Endurance
(50) Blessing of the Zephyr - Knockback Reduction (4 points)

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Level 1: Brawl

(A) Empty

Level 1: Sprint

(A) Empty

Level 2: Rest

(A) Empty

Level 1: Critical Hit
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Set Bonus Totals:

17% DamageBuff(Smashing)
17% DamageBuff(Lethal)
17% DamageBuff(Fire)
17% DamageBuff(Cold)
17% DamageBuff(Energy)
17% DamageBuff(Negative)
17% DamageBuff(Toxic)
17% DamageBuff(Psionic)
11.8% Defense(Smashing)
11.8% Defense(Lethal)
8.94% Defense(Fire)
8.94% Defense(Cold)
8.94% Defense(Energy)
8.94% Defense(Negative)
4.88% Defense(Psionic)
14.9% Defense(Melee)
14.9% Defense(Ranged)
14.9% Defense(AoE)
2.25% Max End
48% Enhancement(Accuracy)
77.5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
10% FlySpeed
185.7 HP (13.9%) HitPoints
10% JumpHeight
10% JumpSpeed
Knockback (Mag -12)
Knockup (Mag -12)
MezResist(Held) 2.75%
MezResist(Immobilize) 9.9%
MezResist(Stun) 2.2%
17% (0.28 End/sec) Recovery
42% (2.35 HP/sec) Regeneration
7.56% Resistance(Fire)
7.56% Resistance(Cold)
10% RunSpeed

1st: You can keep Shield Charge and still solo AVs and Pylons.

2nd: Shadow Maul is more of a set mule than an attack. It may seem kinda odd putting the purple set in it, but you only need 5 slots out of that set and Oblit needs all six for the melee defense bonus, crucial for reaching the softcap.

3rd: That much. I don't know the exact recharge numbers needed for each attack off the top of my head, but I do know that the above build, with Hasten running will be able to run the Smite->Siphon Life->Smite->Midnight Grasp chain seamlessly.

4th: I went with all three. It works wonderfully.

5th: You could, but with their end requirements I would recommend it. The attack chain I mentioned, with 33% end reduction in each attack, would use 4 endurance per second. Of course, an IO'd build would be more efficient, but if you're AV soloing you need all the endurance you can get, especially if you're not using inspirations. Conserve Power from the Body Mastery APP would be worth looking into if you go that route.

6th: The melee and PBAoE sets may be all you'll be able to find room for. Unless you're willing to shell out the big bucks for the Gladiator +3% defense (which stacks with its Steadfast Protection counterpart) you may end up sacrificing softcapping for the purples, which I don't consider an equal trade. If you're IOing, I would consider reaching the softcap the utmost goal of the build. Everything else is secondary.

@Demobot

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Kanto2 · 08-05-2009 12:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EvaDestruction

1st question: Can I keep Shield Charge and still be capable of putting out enough single-target DPS to take down hard targets like pylons and AVs? Please? Can I? I would like the character to maintain some general utility, since I don't feel like spending billions of inf twice. Yet.

2nd question: Shadow Maul: Right out? I'm thinking Midnight Grasp, Smite, and Siphon Life would be my big attacks, with Shadow Punch loaded with procs as filler?

3rd question: Just how much global recharge will I need?

4th question: Siphon Life: Slot for damage, slot for heal, or try to frankenslot for both and get my set bonuses elsewhere?

5th question: Can I softcap with Maneuvers and Tactics, or do I have to get the fighting pool and *shudder* Focused Accuracy?

6th question: Where do I find room to slot purples? I'm having trouble finding room to slot all the sets I need for softcapping....

1. Of course it can.

2. Shadow Maul is actually rather decent, my current build is Siphon Life - SM - Siphon Life - SM. Works well for solo, less well in teams where mobs scatter a bit and get in the way when trying to position ourselves.

3. Hrrmm... Lots <_< ? No idea about numbers though Demobot's your man... Er... bot.

4. Frankenslot without a doubt. It's a good attack *and* a good heal, so no reason to not have the best of both worlds. Without Soul Drain SP is healing for 254 HP and doing around 290 damage if I remember correctly.

5. There are as many builds as there are stars under the sky. Both are doable, just a matter of choice. I went for the Body epic because I like FA (pesky romans, pesky acc debuffers people like to put in MA) and because Conserve Power is always nice (even if dusty since Dark Consumption works like a charm).

6. If you can fork a billion or so for a PvP 3% def IO you'll have some wiggle room, if not.. not much. I'm pondering whether to buy some purples or to buy a PvP IO (not that there is even one for sale, less alone me making a billion to buy it). As it is I can buy the melee purple and the targeted AoE purple which is all the build takes anyway. As soon as the test room for the EU is up I intend to test Energy Torrent instead of SM so this is the build I have just for ideas.

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Level 50 Magic Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Dark Melee
Secondary Power Set: Shield Defense
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Speed
Ancillary Pool: Body Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Smite -- T'Death-Acc/Dmg(A), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx(3), T'Death-Dmg/Rchg(3), T'Death-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(5), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(5), T'Death-Dam%(25)
Level 1: Deflection -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(7), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(19)
Level 2: Battle Agility -- LkGmblr-Def(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(40), LkGmblr-Rchg+(43)
Level 4: True Grit -- Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(A), Numna-Heal(7), Numna-EndRdx/Rchg(15), Numna-Heal/Rchg(17), Numna-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(23), Numna-Heal/EndRdx(25)
Level 6: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 8: Siphon Life -- C'ngImp-Dmg/Rchg(A), HO:Nucle(9), HO:Golgi(9), HO:Nucle(11), Numna-Heal/Rchg(11), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(15)
Level 10: Active Defense -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 12: Combat Jumping -- Zephyr-Travel(A), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx(13), Zephyr-ResKB(13), LkGmblr-Rchg+(42)
Level 14: Super Jump -- Zephyr-Travel(A), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx(17), Zephyr-ResKB(19)
Level 16: Health -- Mrcl-Rcvry+(A)
Level 18: Against All Odds -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 20: Stamina -- P'Shift-End%(A), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(21), P'Shift-EndMod(21), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg(23), P'Shift-Acc/Rchg(29), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc/Rchg(31)
Level 22: Dark Consumption -- Efficacy-EndMod(A), Efficacy-EndMod/Rchg(42), Efficacy-EndMod/Acc/Rchg(42), Efficacy-Acc/Rchg(43), Efficacy-EndMod/Acc(43), Efficacy-EndMod/EndRdx(46)
Level 24: Boxing -- Empty(A)
Level 26: Soul Drain -- Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(27), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(27), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(39), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(40), Oblit-%Dam(40)
Level 28: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(29), RechRdx-I(34)
Level 30: Tough -- S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(A), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx(31), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(31), Aegis-ResDam(37)
Level 32: Midnight Grasp -- C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg(A), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(33), SipInsght-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(33), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(33), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(34), C'ngImp-Dmg/Rchg(34)
Level 35: Shield Charge -- Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(36), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(36), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(36), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(37), Oblit-%Dam(37)
Level 38: Weave -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(39), LkGmblr-Def(39)
Level 41: Conserve Power -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(46)
Level 44: Focused Accuracy -- GSFC-ToHit(A), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg(45), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx(45), GSFC-Rchg/EndRdx(45), GSFC-ToHit/EndRdx(46), GSFC-Build%(50)
Level 47: Energy Torrent -- AirB'st-Dmg/Rchg(A), Posi-Dmg/Rchg(48), Det'tn-Dmg/Rchg(48), Posi-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(48), Acc-I(50), RechRdx-I(50)
Level 49: Phalanx Fighting -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Critical Hit

Umbral · 08-05-2009 12:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EvaDestruction

2nd question: Shadow Maul: Right out? I'm thinking Midnight Grasp, Smite, and Siphon Life would be my big attacks, with Shadow Punch loaded with procs as filler?

Shadow Maul is friggin' gold for AoE if you know how to use it. If you can't, keep it for the IO mule. If you can, realize that the sets that you're going to mule it with give it awesome numbers.

Quote:

3rd question: Just how much global recharge will I need?

That depends on two things: how you slot your attacks and what attack string you plan on using.

MG>Smite>Siphon>Smite will require 184% +rech in Smite, 235% +rech in MG, and 116% +rech in Siphon. You're probably going to want to get at least 140% +rech at least simply because MG is demanding.

Quote:

4th question: Siphon Life: Slot for damage, slot for heal, or try to frankenslot for both and get my set bonuses elsewhere?

Siphon Life is the least demanding power in your attack chain. You can easily ignore +rech and pick up some heal but you will lose some set bonuses. Considering how much additional survivability you get by frankenslotting +heal into Siphon and how much damage you would lose by not slotting it with +dam, your best bet is to frankenslot it and do without the set bonuses.

One last comment. Demobot, I'm the only Umbral. The original. Anyone else that steals my name is but a pale imitation that shall die in a shower of blood, intestines, and darkness. You've been warned.

Norse · 08-05-2009 03:53 AM

This is the build I'd be using if I ever get around to getting my own DM/SD to 50. Has solid resistances for a SD, good regeneration and recovery, softcapped defense, enough recharge to run MG -> Smite -> SL -> Smite. Attack chain burns 3.57 EPS with 2.44 EPS recovery. Full blue bar from DC (with 5 mobs in range) every 54 seconds with CP on standby. Empty slot in True Grit is for the Gladiator's Armor 3% defense IO.

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Level 50 Magic Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Dark Melee
Secondary Power Set: Shield Defense
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leaping
Ancillary Pool: Body Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Smite -- T'Death-Acc/Dmg(A), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx(3), T'Death-Dmg/Rchg(3), T'Death-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(5), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(5), T'Death-Dam%(7)
Level 1: Deflection -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(7), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(9), Aegis-ResDam(9), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx(11), Aegis-ResDam/Rchg(11)
Level 2: Battle Agility -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(13), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(13)
Level 4: True Grit -- S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(A), Empty(15), Numna-Heal(15), Numna-Heal/EndRdx(17), Numna-Heal/Rchg(17)
Level 6: Shadow Maul -- Erad-Dmg(A), Erad-Acc/Rchg(19), Erad-Dmg/Rchg(19)
Level 8: Siphon Life -- Hectmb-Dmg/Rchg(A), Nictus-Heal(21), Nictus-Acc/EndRdx/Heal/HP/Regen(21), HO:Nucle(23), HO:Nucle(23), HO:Golgi(25)
Level 10: Active Defense -- HO:Membr(A), HO:Membr(25)
Level 12: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(27), RechRdx-I(27)
Level 14: Super Speed -- Zephyr-Travel(A), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx(29), Zephyr-ResKB(29)
Level 16: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 18: Dark Consumption -- Armgdn-Dmg(A), Armgdn-Dmg/Rchg(31), Armgdn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(31), Armgdn-Acc/Rchg(31), Armgdn-Dmg/EndRdx(33)
Level 20: Health -- Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(A), Numna-Heal(33), Numna-Heal/EndRdx(33), Mrcl-Rcvry+(34), Mrcl-Heal(34), RgnTis-Regen+(34)
Level 22: Stamina -- P'Shift-End%(A), P'Shift-EndMod(36), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg(36), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(36), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc/Rchg(37), P'Shift-Acc/Rchg(37)
Level 24: Boxing -- Stpfy-Acc/Rchg(A), Stpfy-EndRdx/Stun(37), Stpfy-Acc/EndRdx(39), Stpfy-Stun/Rng(39), Stpfy-Acc/Stun/Rchg(39), Stpfy-KB%(40)
Level 26: Soul Drain -- Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(40), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(40), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(42), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(42), Oblit-%Dam(42)
Level 28: Tough -- HO:Ribo(A), HO:Ribo(43)
Level 30: Weave -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(43)
Level 32: Midnight Grasp -- Hectmb-Dmg(A), Hectmb-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(43), Hectmb-Acc/Rchg(45), Hectmb-Dmg/EndRdx(45), Hectmb-Dam%(45), RechRdx-I(46)
Level 35: Shield Charge -- Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(46), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(46), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(48), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(48), Oblit-%Dam(48)
Level 38: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), Zephyr-Travel(50), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx(50), Zephyr-ResKB(50)
Level 41: Conserve Power -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 44: Against All Odds -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 47: Phalanx Fighting -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 49: Grant Cover -- Ksmt-ToHit+(A)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Critical Hit

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Santorican · 08-05-2009 04:17 AM

Here is my build in True Grit there will be a full set of Panacea and in Tough there will be a Gladiator's Armor +Defense. I'll be 1% away from the soft cap to AoE but I'll have 90% recharge bonuses and close to 300% regeneration.

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Saint November: Level 50 Natural Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Dark Melee
Secondary Power Set: Shield Defense
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Body Mastery

Hero Profile:
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Level 1: Smite T'Death-Acc/Dmg(A), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx(31), T'Death-Dmg/Rchg(33), T'Death-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(33), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(33), T'Death-Dam%(45)
Level 1: Deflection RedFtn-Def/EndRdx(A), RedFtn-Def/Rchg(3), RedFtn-EndRdx/Rchg(3), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(5), RedFtn-Def(5), RedFtn-EndRdx(7)
Level 2: Battle Agility LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(29), LkGmblr-Def(34), LkGmblr-Rchg+(34)
Level 4: True Grit Empty(A), Empty(7), Empty(9), Empty(9), Empty(15), Empty(17)
Level 6: Hasten RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(11), RechRdx-I(13)
Level 8: Siphon Life Mako-Acc/Dmg(A), Mako-Dmg/EndRdx(17), Mako-Dmg/Rchg(21), Mako-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(23), Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(31), Mako-Dam%(50)
Level 10: Active Defense HO:Membr(A), HO:Membr(11)
Level 12: Confront Mocking-Taunt(A), Mocking-Taunt/Rchg(13), Mocking-Taunt/Rchg/Rng(15), Mocking-Acc/Rchg(19), Mocking-Taunt/Rng(19), Mocking-Rchg(36)
Level 14: Super Speed Zephyr-Travel(A), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx(36), Zephyr-ResKB(42)
Level 16: Swift Run-I(A)
Level 18: Dark Consumption Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(37), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(37), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(37), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(40), Oblit-%Dam(40)
Level 20: Health RgnTis-Regen+(A), Mrcl-Rcvry+(21), Numna-Heal(23), Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(50)
Level 22: Stamina P'Shift-EndMod(A), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg(25), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc/Rchg(25), P'Shift-Acc/Rchg(27), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(27), P'Shift-End%(29)
Level 24: Against All Odds EndRdx-I(A)
Level 26: Soul Drain Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(40), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(43), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(43), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(43), Oblit-%Dam(46)
Level 28: Boxing Amaze-Stun(A), Amaze-Stun/Rchg(31), Amaze-Acc/Stun/Rchg(45), Amaze-Acc/Rchg(46), Amaze-ToHitDeb%(46)
Level 30: Tough S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(A), ResDam-I(34)
Level 32: Midnight Grasp Hectmb-Dmg(A), Hectmb-Dmg/Rchg(39), Hectmb-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(48), Hectmb-Acc/Rchg(48), Hectmb-Dmg/EndRdx(48)
Level 35: Shield Charge Armgdn-Dmg(A), Armgdn-Dmg/Rchg(36), Armgdn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(42), Armgdn-Acc/Rchg(42), Armgdn-Dmg/EndRdx(45)
Level 38: Weave LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(A), LkGmblr-Def(39), LkGmblr-Rchg+(39)
Level 41: Maneuvers LkGmblr-Def(A), LkGmblr-Rchg+(50)
Level 44: Phalanx Fighting LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 47: Conserve Power RechRdx-I(A)
Level 49: One with the Shield ResDam-I(A)
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Level 1: Brawl Acc-I(A)
Level 1: Sprint Run-I(A)
Level 2: Rest RechRdx-I(A)
Level 1: Critical Hit

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Virtue: @Santorican

Dark/Shield Build Thread

Eva Destruction · 08-05-2009 08:24 AM

Sweet. You guys are awesome. Looks like I wasn't too far off...

Here's what I came up with last night, softcapped to everything and with 72.5% global recharge. I'm going to pretend the Gladiator's Armor unique doesn't exist, since it's in game just to tease me....and I managed to NOT take Body Mastery, which I just don't like. Crossing my fingers that I'll have enough recovery to manage the end costs.

Thoughts? Comments? Flying monkeys?

Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1.401
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Darkfire Avenger: Level 50 Natural Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Dark Melee
Secondary Power Set: Shield Defense
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Darkness Mastery

Hero Profile:
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Level 1: Smite
(A) Touch of Death - Accuracy/Damage
(23) Touch of Death - Damage/Endurance
(23) Touch of Death - Damage/Recharge
(25) Touch of Death - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
(25) Touch of Death - Damage/Endurance/Recharge
(27) Touch of Death - Chance of Damage(Negative)

Level 1: Deflection
(A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
(3) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance
(3) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
(9) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance/Recharge

Level 2: Battle Agility
(A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
(5) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
(5) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance
(7) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance/Recharge

Level 4: Shadow Maul
(A) Scirocco's Dervish - Accuracy/Damage
(13) Scirocco's Dervish - Damage/Endurance
(13) Scirocco's Dervish - Damage/Recharge
(17) Scirocco's Dervish - Accuracy/Recharge
(17) Scirocco's Dervish - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance

Level 6: Combat Jumping
(A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
(7) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
(9) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance
(11) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range
(11) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range/Endurance
(50) Blessing of the Zephyr - Knockback Reduction (4 points)

Level 8: Siphon Life
(A) Kinetic Combat - Accuracy/Damage
(27) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance
(29) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Recharge
(29) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance/Recharge
(31) Touch of the Nictus - Accuracy/Healing
(37) Touch of the Nictus - Healing

Level 10: Swift
(A) Run Speed IO

Level 12: Active Defense
(A) HamiO:Membrane Exposure

Level 14: Super Jump
(A) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range
(15) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range/Endurance
(15) Blessing of the Zephyr - Knockback Reduction (4 points)

Level 16: Health
(A) Miracle - +Recovery

Level 18: Hasten
(A) Recharge Reduction IO
(19) Recharge Reduction IO
(19) Recharge Reduction IO

Level 20: Stamina
(A) Performance Shifter - EndMod
(21) Performance Shifter - EndMod/Recharge
(21) Performance Shifter - Chance for +End
(40) Endurance Modification IO

Level 22: Against All Odds
(A) Endurance Reduction IO

Level 24: Phalanx Fighting
(A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed

Level 26: Soul Drain
(A) Obliteration - Damage
(31) Obliteration - Accuracy/Recharge
(31) Obliteration - Damage/Recharge
(34) Obliteration - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
(34) Obliteration - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
(37) Obliteration - Chance for Smashing Damage

Level 28: True Grit
(A) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3%
(40) Numina's Convalescence - +Regeneration/+Recovery
(43) Numina's Convalescence - Heal

Level 30: Grant Cover
(A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed

Level 32: Midnight Grasp
(A) Hecatomb - Damage
(33) Hecatomb - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
(33) Hecatomb - Damage/Recharge
(33) Hecatomb - Accuracy/Recharge
(34) Hecatomb - Chance of Damage(Negative)

Level 35: Shield Charge
(A) Obliteration - Damage
(36) Obliteration - Accuracy/Recharge
(36) Obliteration - Damage/Recharge
(36) Obliteration - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
(37) Obliteration - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
(40) Obliteration - Chance for Smashing Damage

Level 38: Maneuvers
(A) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance
(39) Red Fortune - Defense/Recharge
(39) Red Fortune - Endurance/Recharge
(39) Red Fortune - Defense
(46) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance/Recharge
(50) Red Fortune - Endurance

Level 41: Tactics
(A) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff
(42) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Recharge
(42) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Recharge/Endurance
(42) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Recharge/Endurance
(43) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Endurance
(43) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Chance for Build Up

Level 44: Petrifying Gaze
(A) Lockdown - Accuracy/Hold
(45) Lockdown - Accuracy/Recharge
(45) Lockdown - Recharge/Hold
(45) Lockdown - Endurance/Recharge/Hold
(46) Lockdown - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge/Hold
(46) Lockdown - Chance for +2 Mag Hold

Level 47: Dark Blast
(A) Apocalypse - Damage
(48) Apocalypse - Damage/Recharge
(48) Apocalypse - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
(48) Apocalypse - Accuracy/Recharge
(50) Apocalypse - Chance of Damage(Negative)

Level 49: Dark Consumption
(A) Accuracy IO

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Set Bonus Totals:
20% DamageBuff(Smashing)
20% DamageBuff(Lethal)
20% DamageBuff(Fire)
20% DamageBuff(Cold)
20% DamageBuff(Energy)
20% DamageBuff(Negative)
20% DamageBuff(Toxic)
20% DamageBuff(Psionic)
13.6% Defense(Smashing)
13.6% Defense(Lethal)
10.2% Defense(Fire)
10.2% Defense(Cold)
10.5% Defense(Energy)
10.5% Defense(Negative)
3% Defense(Psionic)
18.6% Defense(Melee)
18% Defense(Ranged)
17.4% Defense(AoE)
60% Enhancement(Accuracy)
72.5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
2.5% Enhancement(Held)
10% FlySpeed
200.8 HP (15%) HitPoints
10% JumpHeight
10% JumpSpeed
Knockback (Mag -8)
Knockup (Mag -8)
MezResist(Held) 4.95%
MezResist(Immobilize) 7.7%
MezResist(Stun) 4.4%
6.5% (0.11 End/sec) Recovery
68% (3.8 HP/sec) Regeneration
3.78% Resistance(Fire)
3.78% Resistance(Cold)
3.13% Resistance(Negative)
10% RunSpeed

Eva Destruction AR/Fire/Munitions Blaster
Darkfire Avenger DM/SD/Body Scrapper

Arc ID#161629 Freaks, Geeks, and Men in Black
Arc ID#431270 Until the End of the World

TwinBlades_01 · 08-05-2009 08:42 AM

Just looking really quick at your build, I would switch Dark Consumption and Grant Cover, and try to get some more recharge in DC. Also, replacing the end mod IO in Stamina with Performance Shifter: End Mod/Acc would get you a set bonus of +rec and make the +rec from Stamina only slightly lower. Edit: For more end help, try to get Portal Jockey and Atlas Medallion ASAP.

I would also recommend trying to fit Shadow Punch in there to help fill your attack chain (although Dark Blast will do that occasionally, it just has a much longer recharge). Also, replace the Apocalypse: Damage and Hetacomb: Damage with Damage/End, it will help you use a lot less end and do only slightly less damage.

It would be helpful if you put either a data chunk or a link to your build in there. It is easier for people to look at it in Mid's.

Werner · 08-05-2009 09:10 AM

I might be a little late to the party, and I haven't looked at the build, but I might as well post what I wrote.

Yes, you can keep Shield Charge.

You can probably keep Sadow Maul. You're right about your main attacks. If you can pull off the recharge, you want Smite -> Midnight Grasp -> Smite -> Siphon Life as your chain. If not, one or two Shadow Punches as filler won't hurt you TOO bad, but does require an extra power pick, making it harder to fit in the other attacks you wanted instead.

For the best chain, you'd need +235% recharge in Smite. Figure 90% from slotting, 70% from Hasten, and you're looking at 75% global recharge from sets. If you throw in a couple Shadow Punches, your recharge requirement drops to +128%, allowing you to skip Hasten if you want.

Frankenslot for everything. Siphon Life is so critical that it's one of the very few powers I recommend frankenslotting rather than picking up set bonuses, though I still got some set bonuses out of mine with three Numinas. Here is kind of the definitive thread on Siphon Life slotting options.

Yes, you can softcap with Maneuvers and Tactics, but you'll get more survivability out of Tough and Weave.

Hmmm. Haven't tried to build a DM/SD myself, so I'll leave where to slot purples to others. Looking at other replies, I agree that just putting them in the attacks may be enough. You shouldn't need five sets of purples. You're getting a lot from recharge, but not so much as to be worth sacrificing defense.

"That's because Werner can't do maths." - BunnyAnomaly
"Four hours in, and I was no longer making mistakes, no longer detoggling. I was a machine." - Werner
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Umbral · 08-05-2009 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Werner

For the best chain, you'd need +235% recharge in Smite.

Werner, you fudged your power name there. It's 235% +rech in MG. Smite requires 184% +rech.

Eva Destruction · 08-05-2009 10:45 AM

Ok, Mids build, take two. Swapped out Maneuvers and Tactics for Tough and Weave...I have to ditch Dark Consumption again but meh. Using Kick as a set mule lets me frankenslot Siphon Life better, I'll probably be switching it up a bit once I've had time to actually read through the Siphon Life thread...still sitting at 72.5% global recharge. Midnight Grasp is currently at 89.92% rech, Smite is at 43.43% but I don't think I can find anywhere else to stick the ToD....maybe if I pull the Def/End out of CJ (although that'll mean losing another +HP bonus and take me down to 44.9% AoE def...not sure how much difference that .1% is going to make) and pull a slot out of Tough, stick the ToD in Kick and put the Kinetic Combat in Smite, then use the last two slots to Frankenslot in some Dam, Acc and Rech?

Also, what code type should I be using on these forums? I want my post to look purty.

Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1.401
http://www.cohplanner.com/

Darkfire Avenger: Level 50 Natural Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Dark Melee
Secondary Power Set: Shield Defense
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fighting
Ancillary Pool: Darkness Mastery

Hero Profile:
------------
Level 1: Smite
(A) Touch of Death - Accuracy/Damage
(23) Touch of Death - Damage/Endurance
(23) Touch of Death - Damage/Recharge
(25) Touch of Death - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
(25) Touch of Death - Damage/Endurance/Recharge
(27) Touch of Death - Chance of Damage(Negative)

Level 1: Deflection
(A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
(3) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance
(3) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
(9) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance/Recharge

Level 2: Battle Agility
(A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
(5) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
(5) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance
(7) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance/Recharge

Level 4: Shadow Maul
(A) Scirocco's Dervish - Accuracy/Damage
(13) Scirocco's Dervish - Damage/Endurance
(13) Scirocco's Dervish - Damage/Recharge
(17) Scirocco's Dervish - Accuracy/Recharge
(17) Scirocco's Dervish - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance

Level 6: Combat Jumping
(A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
(7) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
(9) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance
(11) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range
(11) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range/Endurance
(50) Blessing of the Zephyr - Knockback Reduction (4 points)

Level 8: Siphon Life
(A) Hecatomb - Damage/Endurance
(27) HamiO:Nucleolus Exposure
(29) HamiO:Nucleolus Exposure
(29) Numina's Convalescence - Heal
(31) Numina's Convalescence - Heal/Recharge
(37) Numina's Convalescence - Heal/Endurance/Recharge

Level 10: Swift
(A) Run Speed IO

Level 12: Active Defense
(A) HamiO:Membrane Exposure

Level 14: Super Jump
(A) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range
(15) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range/Endurance
(15) Blessing of the Zephyr - Knockback Reduction (4 points)

Level 16: Health
(A) Miracle - +Recovery

Level 18: Hasten
(A) Recharge Reduction IO
(19) Recharge Reduction IO
(19) Recharge Reduction IO

Level 20: Stamina
(A) Performance Shifter - EndMod
(21) Performance Shifter - EndMod/Recharge
(21) Performance Shifter - Chance for +End
(40) Endurance Modification IO

Level 22: Against All Odds
(A) Endurance Reduction IO

Level 24: Phalanx Fighting
(A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed

Level 26: Soul Drain
(A) Obliteration - Damage
(31) Obliteration - Accuracy/Recharge
(31) Obliteration - Damage/Recharge
(34) Obliteration - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
(34) Obliteration - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
(37) Obliteration - Chance for Smashing Damage

Level 28: True Grit
(A) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3%
(40) Numina's Convalescence - +Regeneration/+Recovery
(43) Numina's Convalescence - Heal

Level 30: Kick
(A) Kinetic Combat - Accuracy/Damage
(39) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance
(46) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Recharge
(50) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance/Recharge

Level 32: Midnight Grasp
(A) Hecatomb - Damage
(33) Hecatomb - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
(33) Hecatomb - Damage/Recharge
(33) Hecatomb - Accuracy/Recharge
(34) Hecatomb - Chance of Damage(Negative)

Level 35: Shield Charge
(A) Obliteration - Damage
(36) Obliteration - Accuracy/Recharge
(36) Obliteration - Damage/Recharge
(36) Obliteration - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
(37) Obliteration - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
(40) Obliteration - Chance for Smashing Damage

Level 38: Tough
(A) HamiO:Ribosome Exposure
(39) HamiO:Ribosome Exposure
(39) Resist Damage IO

Level 41: Weave
(A) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance
(42) Red Fortune - Defense/Recharge
(42) Red Fortune - Endurance/Recharge
(42) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance/Recharge
(43) Red Fortune - Defense
(43) Red Fortune - Endurance

Level 44: Petrifying Gaze
(A) Lockdown - Accuracy/Hold
(45) Lockdown - Accuracy/Recharge
(45) Lockdown - Recharge/Hold
(45) Lockdown - Endurance/Recharge/Hold
(46) Lockdown - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge/Hold
(46) Lockdown - Chance for +2 Mag Hold

Level 47: Dark Blast
(A) Apocalypse - Damage
(48) Apocalypse - Damage/Recharge
(48) Apocalypse - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
(48) Apocalypse - Accuracy/Recharge
(50) Apocalypse - Chance of Damage(Negative)

Level 49: Grant Cover
(A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed

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Level 1: Brawl
(A) Empty

Level 1: Sprint
(A) Empty

Level 2: Rest
(A) Empty

Level 1: Critical Hit
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Set Bonus Totals:
17.5% DamageBuff(Smashing)
17.5% DamageBuff(Lethal)
17.5% DamageBuff(Fire)
17.5% DamageBuff(Cold)
17.5% DamageBuff(Energy)
17.5% DamageBuff(Negative)
17.5% DamageBuff(Toxic)
17.5% DamageBuff(Psionic)
12.4% Defense(Smashing)
12.4% Defense(Lethal)
8.94% Defense(Fire)
8.94% Defense(Cold)
9.25% Defense(Energy)
9.25% Defense(Negative)
3% Defense(Psionic)
16.1% Defense(Melee)
15.5% Defense(Ranged)
14.9% Defense(AoE)
60% Enhancement(Accuracy)
72.5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
2.5% Enhancement(Held)
5% FlySpeed
175.7 HP (13.1%) HitPoints
5% JumpHeight
5% JumpSpeed
Knockback (Mag -8)
Knockup (Mag -8)
MezResist(Held) 4.95%
MezResist(Immobilize) 7.7%
MezResist(Stun) 4.4%
4% (0.07 End/sec) Recovery
80% (4.47 HP/sec) Regeneration
3.78% Resistance(Fire)
3.78% Resistance(Cold)
3.13% Resistance(Negative)
5% RunSpeed

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Eva Destruction AR/Fire/Munitions Blaster
Darkfire Avenger DM/SD/Body Scrapper

Arc ID#161629 Freaks, Geeks, and Men in Black
Arc ID#431270 Until the End of the World

Joy_Division · 08-05-2009 02:24 PM

I have a softcapped dm/shield scrapper on whom I kept shadow maul, and use it all the time. It's crummy single target dps, especially vs AV's, but used right, it's an excellent AoE. I 6-slotted it with eradication. You loose a little damage, but the set bonuses are awesome. I have no purples in my build - they're just too expensive, and therefore I only have 35% global recharge and then hasten as well, but I have little difficulty soloing most AVs (curse you, Malaise!!), especially if I drag a bunch of minions to the fight to help fuel AAO. I cycle smite, MG, shadow punch, and SL and it gets the job done. Maybe not as fast as an optimized chain might, but I don't really care.

I went tough/weave and I run tough all the time. Even soft-capped, you get hit quite a bit, and it's nice when that one hit doesn't suddenly put you in the red.

I frankenslotted siphon life with 3 parts Touch of the Nictus, 3 parts Pounding Slugfest. That gives me 90% heal, about 60% damage, some ranged def IO bonus, and 9% accuracy bonus. Again, the damage on the attack is a bit lacking, but it doesn't seem to matter.

For a primary with a lot of AoE, you could skip shield charge, I suppose, though it's freakin' cool, but on dm, you'll have next to no AoE if you skip it, and that makes you junk on teams.

Kanto2 · 08-05-2009 05:39 PM

I just ran a LGTF and, well.. I'm really just waiting on the EU copy tool to be up (finnaly) and test switching SM for Energy Torrent.

SM's power is unquestioned, hitting for 500-600 damage when well saturated *and* with a scrapper's critical chance makes it really really nice for soloing. A simple chain of SL - SM lays the smack and keeps health up.

But on the whole, outside of soloing, I find that I seldom use SM at all because of the lengthy animation and the high chance I miscalculated/got pushed/someone got in my way (the usual teaming chaos) and only hit one mob.

That is annoying since it means no AoE outside my 38 secondSoul Drain + Shield Change combo, which *does* put the hurt on a whole spawn, but yeah, 38 seconds in-between.

All the downsides of ET (about half damage of SM, double the recharge, no criticals) end up balanced simply because we *do* end up spamming it and know we'll hit a fair number of mobs with its measly one second activation (plus KD mitigation).

I just don't want to burn a darn respec on live without testing first. Mids points at ET doing about 350 damage when well saturated which is not shabby at all for soloing either.

Santorican · 08-05-2009 06:45 PM

Yes but that means you're going to have to take either conserve power or focused accuracy and lazer beam eyes

Virtue: @Santorican

Dark/Shield Build Thread

TwinBlades_01 · 08-05-2009 08:01 PM

What I like to do for AoE is get all the mobs around me, target a mob in the middle that will survive Shield Charge, then Soul Drain and Shield Charge toward the edge of the group. Then you can immediately hit SM and if enough mobs are still alive it should easily hit 4 or 5 of them.

John_Printemps · 08-06-2009 06:26 AM

So, loads of builds and stuff between here and the top, but, as egotistical as I am (:P) I'll just drop to the bottom and say this:

Eva, it'll be okay, I've a present for you:

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The last build I designed for a DM/SD (I think it stands at the seventh or eight rendition) after I realized I could easily port my efforts from the acclaimed BS/SD Money-No-Object Build to easily fit Dark Melee as well. There's only five total purple IO's in the whole build but altogether the thing costs a fortune anyway; but you were considering purples regardless so I'll just keep the assumption "money no object"

Attack chain is Smite > MG > Smite > Siphon Life (Standard Issue Uber Chain) while Hasten is active. Yes there is 15 Second delay in Hasten but considering a DM/SD can take the average AV down in three to four minutes saturated, 15 Seconds is less than concerning in the long run of a four minute fight. To achieve Perma-Hasten there'd have to be another ~30% Global in the build somewhere and it cuts too much in too many areas to attempt something like that without a) taking away from your Positional Defenses, or b) ending up with a load of stuff you'll never use, but mostly "a".

I'm also one of the few who take a less than franken-notable route on Siphon Life to push its recharge down even further while maintaining everything else except the Heal%. With 317% Regen through 149% Max HP, 13% each cycle on Siphon Life becomes more than sufficient ontop of everything else going on (but as they say "YMMV"). EPS is also sufficient to maintain your attack chain (I think it came out for a considerable length, been a while since I checked, but Dark Consumption readily fixes any concern anyway).

Now...if I were to throw a Glad 3% IO in there...heh, that would be another story and a Mid's Update and turmoil and time and...I just wont go there

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Santorican · 08-06-2009 06:50 AM

Here is a revised version of my build. True Grit there is a full set of Panacea and in Tough there Gladiator's +Def

Almost to 100% recharge bonuses! Must...get...more...without...sacrificing.......

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Saint November: Level 50 Natural Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Dark Melee
Secondary Power Set: Shield Defense
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Body Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Smite -- C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg(A), C'ngImp-Dmg/Rchg(31), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(33), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(33), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(33)
Level 1: Deflection -- RedFtn-Def/EndRdx(A), RedFtn-Def/Rchg(3), RedFtn-EndRdx/Rchg(3), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(5), RedFtn-Def(5), RedFtn-EndRdx(7)
Level 2: Battle Agility -- LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(29), LkGmblr-Def(34), LkGmblr-Rchg+(34)
Level 4: True Grit -- Empty(A), Empty(7), Empty(9), Empty(9), Empty(15), Empty(17)
Level 6: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(11), RechRdx-I(13)
Level 8: Siphon Life -- Mako-Acc/Dmg(A), Mako-Dmg/EndRdx(17), Mako-Dmg/Rchg(21), Mako-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(23), Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(31), Mako-Dam%(50)
Level 10: Active Defense -- HO:Membr(A), HO:Membr(11)
Level 12: Confront -- Mocking-Taunt(A), Mocking-Taunt/Rchg(13), Mocking-Taunt/Rchg/Rng(15), Mocking-Acc/Rchg(19), Mocking-Taunt/Rng(19), Mocking-Rchg(36)
Level 14: Super Speed -- Zephyr-Travel(A), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx(36), Zephyr-ResKB(42)
Level 16: Swift -- Run-I(A)
Level 18: Dark Consumption -- Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(37), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(37), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(37), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(40), Oblit-%Dam(40)
Level 20: Health -- RgnTis-Regen+(A), Mrcl-Rcvry+(21), Numna-Heal(23), Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(50)
Level 22: Stamina -- P'Shift-EndMod(A), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg(25), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc/Rchg(25), P'Shift-Acc/Rchg(27), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(27), P'Shift-End%(29)
Level 24: Against All Odds -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 26: Soul Drain -- Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(40), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(43), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(43), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(43), Oblit-%Dam(46)
Level 28: Boxing -- Amaze-Stun(A), Amaze-Stun/Rchg(31), Amaze-Acc/Stun/Rchg(45), Amaze-Acc/Rchg(46), Amaze-ToHitDeb%(46)
Level 30: Tough -- S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(A), ResDam-I(34)
Level 32: Midnight Grasp -- Hectmb-Dmg(A), Hectmb-Dmg/Rchg(39), Hectmb-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(48), Hectmb-Acc/Rchg(48), Hectmb-Dmg/EndRdx(48)
Level 35: Shield Charge -- Armgdn-Dmg(A), Armgdn-Dmg/Rchg(36), Armgdn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(42), Armgdn-Acc/Rchg(42), Armgdn-Dmg/EndRdx(45)
Level 38: Weave -- LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(A), LkGmblr-Def(39), LkGmblr-Rchg+(39)
Level 41: Maneuvers -- LkGmblr-Def(A), LkGmblr-Rchg+(50)
Level 44: Phalanx Fighting -- LkGmblr-Def(A), LkGmblr-Rchg+(45)
Level 47: Conserve Power -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 49: One with the Shield -- ResDam-I(A)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Acc-I(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Run-I(A)
Level 2: Rest -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 1: Critical Hit

Virtue: @Santorican

Dark/Shield Build Thread

Eva Destruction · 08-06-2009 11:11 AM

Hmmm, took a look at that build John, the downside is that it has less recharge than my current working build, and I am not a fan of Tier 9s in general (my first melee toon was a /regen, i5 era). The upside: Dark Consumption. Currently I'm running without it, but I don't have Grant Cover yet and I don't run Tough....once I get some of the level 50 sets that should mitigate some of my end costs (I'm 43 and still have quite a few SOs), most of my recovery boosts are already in place though, so I'll have to see...might have to go back to the drawing board.

Some interesting stuff people come up with, mainly slotting choices my literal mind just wouldn't think of.

Eva Destruction AR/Fire/Munitions Blaster
Darkfire Avenger DM/SD/Body Scrapper

Arc ID#161629 Freaks, Geeks, and Men in Black
Arc ID#431270 Until the End of the World

Kanto2 · 08-06-2009 11:35 AM

I keep seeing people working the Panacea and the Gladiatior +3% in their builds. Is it really wise?

It's not even a question of having a billion to burn for it as simply there being any for sale!

>_<

I keep looking, but I think I was lucky to see a Gladiator just once, from far away, ever since it's been a fat zero.

Demobot · 08-06-2009 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Kanto2

I keep seeing people working the Panacea and the Gladiatior +3% in their builds. Is it really wise?

It's not even a question of having a billion to burn for it as simply there being any for sale!

>_<

I keep looking, but I think I was lucky to see a Gladiator just once, from far away, ever since it's been a fat zero.

Just because there are zero for sale doesn't mean that they aren't being bought. They're being snapped up as soon as they're put up for sale.

@Demobot

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John_Printemps · 08-06-2009 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by EvaDestruction

Hmmm, took a look at that build John, the downside is that it has less recharge than my current working build, and I am not a fan of Tier 9s in general (my first melee toon was a /regen, i5 era). The upside: Dark Consumption. Currently I'm running without it, but I don't have Grant Cover yet and I don't run Tough....once I get some of the level 50 sets that should mitigate some of my end costs (I'm 43 and still have quite a few SOs), most of my recovery boosts are already in place though, so I'll have to see...might have to go back to the drawing board.

Some interesting stuff people come up with, mainly slotting choices my literal mind just wouldn't think of.

It does have less recharge, but only 10% and it's costing you recovery, regen, and HP. The build I posted has higher of all those in comparison. Take for example: Mine 317% Regen with the 149% Max HP heals 1584 HP a minute versus your 1062. That 10% Recharge difference is about .1 to .2/s difference across the board. Personally, I'd rather have more recovery and regen than waiting a millisecond difference for an attack to recharge. Also mind that the build can run weave and tough alongside all the normal secondary toggles and still only burns .84 eps, has dark consumption, and can sustain itself through an AV fight. Even if you don't care for the Tier 9, it finds itself cozy for the steadfast IO and is good to bounce back into a fight if (for some unholy reason) you either loose your toggles or dirt nap

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Santorican · 08-06-2009 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Kanto2

I keep seeing people working the Panacea and the Gladiatior +3% in their builds. Is it really wise?

It's not even a question of having a billion to burn for it as simply there being any for sale!

>_<

I keep looking, but I think I was lucky to see a Gladiator just once, from far away, ever since it's been a fat zero.

I bought all of mine when they first came out and when they were cheaper lol.

Virtue: @Santorican

Dark/Shield Build Thread

Umbral · 08-06-2009 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Santorican

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kanto2

I keep seeing people working the Panacea and the Gladiatior +3% in their builds. Is it really wise?

It's not even a question of having a billion to burn for it as simply there being any for sale!

>_<

I keep looking, but I think I was lucky to see a Gladiator just once, from far away, ever since it's been a fat zero.

I bought all of mine when they first came out and when they were cheaper lol.

If you're really hard up looking for one, just go PvP. It's not like they're impossible to get a hold of.

Eva Destruction · 08-06-2009 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Umbral_NA

If you're really hard up looking for one, just go PvP. It's not like they're impossible to get a hold of.

PvP for PvP rewards? People do that?

Anyway....more tweaking, now I'm thinking about getting Focused Acc, (mostly as a Gaussian's mule, not something I'd actually be running most of the time, although it could be useful against Arachnos) so I can squeeze in Dark Consumption, stick some Eradication in there to keep everything softcapped, then remove the Kinetic Combat from Kick and redistribute the extra slots to Health and True Grit, for more +HP, regen, and some set bonuses from Numina's and Miracle. I like having the ranged attack, but I guess the Nemesis Staff will have to do.

Do the +heal bonuses from heal sets affect Siphon Life? Mids seems to indicate that they do.

Eva Destruction AR/Fire/Munitions Blaster
Darkfire Avenger DM/SD/Body Scrapper

Arc ID#161629 Freaks, Geeks, and Men in Black
Arc ID#431270 Until the End of the World

Kanto2 · 08-07-2009 02:35 PM

Well, after a week waiting for the EU Copy Tool to be up I got tired and respecced on live to test Energy Torrent.

250 mill later I'm not that impressed. It crits, I'm not familiar with epic pools for scrappers so that was a pleasant surprise as I thought only scrapper primaries did that. But it's much heavier than SM so it kills my endurance to the point FA can't be run and CP comes out to play instead of gathering dust.

Damage is overall the same-ish. I used to need two Shield Charge and a bit more to finish two spawns of bosses, it's about the same with ET. I suppose there is some mitigation involved in ET what with the constant KD, but as it's one sturdy scrapper I don't really notice it much.

It's more satisfying to hit a whole spawn for around 200 damage but I'm missing SM already. I suppose I could test Exploding Shuriken next since it won't involve spending cash again, but Mids makes me shudder at 19 (!!) endurance per cast. And it ET was slow at around 8 seconds then ES with 10 seconds is even more sleep inducing.

At least ET does see a use when I also team, different from SM.