Why is Teleport the Only Travel Power that takes lots of Energy?

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TP Foe and Recall Friend are not the "worst" gateway powers. I'd give that to Jump Kick and Flurry.

TP Foe - Remove a problematic foe from a group. Yes, you can aggro the rest - you'll still have this single foe separated, probably around a corner, and dead by the time the rest get there. Warshades with half a clue do this with Voids quite often, and it works with other powersets as well.

And Recall Friend - you're *really* saying that's useless? Or one of the "worst gateway powers?"

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Originally Posted by Back Alley Brawler Did you just use "casual gamer" and "purpled-out warshade" in the same sentence?

You generally don't want to use Fly in combat, because it does have a sizable end cost. While you don't run out of End flying around with your toggles on, flying while fighting with toggles will drain you rather quickly (just like forgetting to turn off SS or Superjump will). Hover is more useful for blasters than fly in combat.

However, I have Fly/Air Superiority on a couple of tankers and scrappers, and that's a good combo. You can knock those fliers out of the air and then pound them into the ground.

I really enjoy queueing EM Pulse on my Rad/Dark Defender while Teleport animates. Even better if I hit PBU before Teleport. I arrive in the spawn first, and nothing fights back

I've occasionally used Teleport to supplement Stealth (not invisibility). Stealth lets me get close, TP lets me get past without getting too close.

I remember we used Team Teleport on the /Traps superteam. We discovered that if you started setting Trip Mine, Triage Beacon, or Acid Mortar when the teleporter started animating TTP, the trap would come with. It reduced travel time, setup time while under fire, and number of attempts needed to lay Trip Mine, since half its interrupt period had already passed when we arrive at the enemy.

That's not true. Snipers only have 149ft of perception; if you have 150ft stealth (like, oh... Hide), they can't see you, even if you're standing next to them.

It's the Rikti Drones and Rularuu Sentries that can penetrate any amount of stealth.

Well, I never said you can't use Teleport in combat, but merely that it's no more useful than, say, Super Jump or Super Speed for it. Heck, you can do that even with Flight for a fraction of the cost. And while Warshades get Teleport for free and it doesn't make sense NOT to use it, they are an exception. Generally speaking, you can move in to initiate an alpha strike with any travel power. You can super-jump in, super-speed in, fly in and yes, even Sprint in. I do that a lot, and I don't eat nearly as much return fire as that. And while I do appreciate the ability to teleport past spawns, a variety of other powers allow you to do that and they don't have ridiculous costs. Heck, a properly executed Super Speed dash can allow you to run right through the centre of a spawn and not receive any aggro. Trust me, I used to run to the dam and back in the old, non-flooded Faultline and I had to pass clean through a lot of spawns in those narrow cracks.

My point isn't that Teleport doesn't have out-of-combat utility, but rather that, Stone Armour aside, it doesn't have THAT much more utility than all the other travel powers, yet they don't cost nearly as much as Teleport. I teleport as slowly as I can, waiting until I'm literally dropping out of the sky before initiating the next teleport, and I STILL run out of energy along the way, something that NEVER happens with any of the other travel powers even without Stamina and with a bunch of other toggles. It doesn't need to be this expensive, that's all I'm saying.

Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

Not to get out of caltrops. The only travel power besides Teleport that'll help you get out of caltrops (and quicksand, etc.) is Hover. All those ground patches are now spheres, and most of them have -fly. And even hover doesn't do much when you get a good stack of caltrops from KoA or Chimera's minions, because it'll surpass Hover's -fly protection. And you'll be dropped to a crawl even in SS. Teleport is the only power that is a "get out of stacked Caltrops free" card. Same goes for stacked quicksands (from ETCs).

Originally Posted by Back Alley Brawler Did you just use "casual gamer" and "purpled-out warshade" in the same sentence?

What he said.

No, they're not. They are combat tools which happen to include enhanced movement. Do people take Combat Jumping instead of Flight? Do people take Hover instead of Super Jump? The gateway powers are their own category, not directly comparable to the level-14 unlocks.

What you can use them to get out of recipes is irrelevant to their actual function. My friend's Stalker used his Patron Snipe to get defence IO bonuses - does that make it a defence power? Hells no. Besides, the bonuses are independent of whether or not you're using the power, so that doesn't change its function.

As has also been mentioned, its speed is compensated for by the fact that it takes the most skill and attention to use (as opposed to, say, Fly, where you can get some height and autorun while you fix a nice snack). It's also the only travel power whose effectiveness is mauled horribly by lag.

Even if it were fair for teleport to cost the most out of all the travel powers (something has to be the best/worst, one way or another) that doesnt really justify the huge gap there is now. As it is, I can't go from one end of a zone to the other without running out of end. Can you factor in the time I have to spend waiting to recover my end, and still tell me it's the fastest travel power?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but those bonuses mostly suppress in combat - along with the speed that is the point of your travel power - and the end drain generally makes travel powers unfeasible for in-combat use anyway. The lower-tier powers in the pools, which are combat-oriented tools, are what truly serve this function.

Why should Super Speed or Flight suppress in combat, thematically? It is never acceptable for thematics to be placed above balance. Period. Down that road lies "Blasters should get huge defence powers because I wanna play Iron Man".

1. Teleport Self is the least-DEV-loved of the Travel Pools.
2. Teleport Self is the only non-toggle travel power.
3. It requires more skill than any of the other travel powers.
4. It took years to get the red-ring-of-death resolved.
5. You can't target short while in the air, it is either all or nothing.
6. It is the least forgiving of all travel powers. Other players can argue, but I know that I really need Hover to keep from falling out of the air while using Teleport Self quite often.
7. And it is an end-sucker. Hover helps in that situation to as Hover is low end and you can take a moment to safely recharge some end before continuing.

As to the advantage of getting somewhere quickly and being out of end and someone showing up 2-5 seconds later with full end, ... well ... that should be obvious. Is getting some where that little bit fast really worth all that end?
For most people, the answer is no.

Teleport Self does need to be looked at and improved.

And I do believe that TP Self is suppressed in PvP like all the other travel pools, unless something was changed again.

I don't know about you, but I can make it half way across the length of IP before I have to rest, using Teleport. That's unslotted. If I had conserve power, I wouldn't need to rest at all. And I don't need Hover either.

However, I do agree that the Endurance cost could stand a little tweaking.

Isn't Jump Kick basically an Air Superiority clone now, apart from only having a chance to knock up?

actually it DOES suppress. Its just there isnt much in the game that has -teleport. I found out however, that the swarms in the eden trial do.

Won't anything with -range do it? I seem to recall being in two Hurricanes from Tsoo Sorcerors at once and having a teleport range that was about 1 foot. Not that -range is that common... always wondered why it's not a more common debuff.

Devoured Swarms in the Eden Trial have -teleport, -speed, -jump, *and* -fly. They exist to disable all travel powers as punishment for going too high.

I think the only -range in the game is in Hurricane and Taunt/Provoke. And the critters don't have taunt/provoke.

Originally Posted by Back Alley Brawler Did you just use "casual gamer" and "purpled-out warshade" in the same sentence?

2 endrdx SOs, and the only zones you'll have trouble getting through without running out of endurance are Independence Port, Nerva Archipelago, and the Shadow Shard. And that's without Stamina, too. Considering with zero enhancement, it's already faster than a maxed-out Super Speedster, I don't think that's too much to ask.

Yes. In PvP, Teleport is effectively useless.

I've seen the Taunt icon in my status bar when facing Black Scorpion and against Dwarf-form Peacebringer PPD. According to City of Data, though, neither Black Scorpion's Taunt nor the PPD White Dwarf's White Dwarf Antagonize have -range.

Interestingly, while White Dwarf PPD have White Dwarf Antagonize, neither White Dwarf nor Black Dwarf Nictus have it.

Also: Challenge/Provoke from the Presence pool do NOT have -range.