A few Fire Control questions

I have been reading guides to Fire/Kin on the US forums and they all seem to say that Bonfire is a bad power. However looking at it in mids it is quite a big AoE that does a lot of damage (286 slotted, 639 slotted + fulcrum shift) so to me it seems almost unmissable.

What is everyones experience of the power? Is mids wrong?

Also the guides recommend picking Char instead of Ring of Fire, but Char won't hold a boss on its own so are they expecting me to take the time to stack holds or does it stack with something that I am not seeing (The guides seem to indicate is stacks with Flashfire, but I thought stun didnt stack with hold)?

---

I've only recently picked up Bonfire so I won't comment too much on it other than too say that it's harder too use than say Ice Slick as its KB not KD so you'll need to spam Cages to keep them on it.
I've not checked Mids for the damage.

Char is a hold so it's better too get than Ring of Fire which is an immob so will have limited damage mitigation.
Char will stack with itself and the recharge is quite quick so it's easy to do.
It can also Critical to one shot hold a Boss.
It will also stack with Cinders.

---

L50s: Tanks: Cryofission - Ice/EM - Dr Celsius - Fire/Ice - Saint George - SD/SS | Controllers: Psichosis - Ill/Kin - Major Chaos - Ill/Stm | Scrappers - Neutron Crusader - DM/SR

Currently Levelling: Angelic Blade - BS/WP Scrapper | Seeds of Destruction - Plant/Kin Controller

Ring of Fire is an Immob, not a hold. Char is by far the stronger of the two, but Ring of Fire does do slightly more damage. It can be useful to pick up before you get Fire Imps for some single target damage, but I found Air Superority did that for me pretty well.

Other than Cinders > Char (or Char > Char) Fire on it's own doesn't have a way to mez a boss. Flashfires stun won't stack with any other Fire controls (but its an excellent power).

Bonfire doesn't do that much damage even if you were spamming Fire Cages to keep something in it (for the -knockback). Basically its just a placeable Knockback patch and it's quite situational. I'm not sure it would get the Fulc damage bonus either (some pets & pseudo-pets get the casters Damage bonus, others don't). I know it pales in comparison to say the Fire Cage > Tornado > Spam Cages blender that Fire(Earth/Ice/Plant)/Stormies can do.

---

Thanks Psiphon thats pretty much what I though.

I think I will probably be taking Char in my levelling build but once I hit a certain level (Guessing 39) I will probably switch it for the immob as I will be concentracting on containing and killing and the extra few seconds it takes to stack a 2nd hold (Whereas the immob is mag4 so will hold a boss in 1 hit and will stack with Fire Cages anyway) doesn't seem worth it at this point.

Obviously all that may change when I actually bother rolling the character.

As for Bonfire when I hit 50 the duration of Fire Cages will be longer than Bonfire anyway. However mids says the -KB duration is actually less than the immob duration so I would need to hit Fire Cages every 12 seconds, has anyone had any experience of this?

---

[ QUOTE ]
Bonfire doesn't do that much damage even if you were spamming Fire Cages to keep something in it (for the -knockback).

[/ QUOTE ]
Thats what I have read in a few places, is mids wrong on the damage? Or do most people just not keep the mobs in it very long since it is a long DoT?

[ QUOTE ]
Basically its just a placeable Knockback patch and it's quite situational. I'm not sure it would get the Fulc damage bonus either (some pets & pseudo-pets get the casters Damage bonus, others don't).

[/ QUOTE ]
Ah I never thought of that, hope it does.

---

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Bonfire doesn't do that much damage even if you were spamming Fire Cages to keep something in it (for the -knockback).

[/ QUOTE ]
Thats what I have read in a few places, is mids wrong on the damage? Or do most people just not keep the mobs in it very long since it is a long DoT?


[/ QUOTE ]

I'm not sure, but I remember an old post from Animal Mutha who said it didn't do nearly as much damage as he'd hoped. I had it for a bit but never tried to do anything other than use it to pin things against walls or block off corridors.

It's such a popular set and combo I'd be surprised if people didn't pick up on it if it do reasonable damage, even just in AV fights or whatever.

Still, no harm trying it out, that's what Respecs are for

---

I use it with my Fire/TA when oilslick is down, I'm used to spamming cages anyway so why not. It kicks out alright damage

---

"Well, they found my diary today.
They were appropriately appalled
at the discovery of the eight victims
They're now putting it all together.
Women wrapped in silk
with one leg missing
Eight legs, one body, silk,
spider, brilliant!"

I have it on my fire/kin and use it a fair bit in conjunction with fire cages for added AoE damage or when things go horribly wrong in a team i can drop it across a corridor and run. It can also be used pretty effectively to jam groups in corners.

and if all else fails its a way of getting some KB protection if you slot it with kinetic krash

---

[ QUOTE ]
I have been reading guides to Fire/Kin on the US forums and they all seem to say that Bonfire is a bad power. However looking at it in mids it is quite a big AoE that does a lot of damage (286 slotted, 639 slotted + fulcrum shift) so to me it seems almost unmissable.

What is everyones experience of the power? Is mids wrong?

[/ QUOTE ]

Just tried it in Brickstown and the damage is awful!

Tried it on a couple of even con Crey Minions with Cages for the -KB and containment - it barely scratched them.
There were a few ticks of of 3 damage and they were very slow.

So don't get it for the damage - but it is amusing to use and I'm sure will be useful under certain circumstances.

---

L50s: Tanks: Cryofission - Ice/EM - Dr Celsius - Fire/Ice - Saint George - SD/SS | Controllers: Psichosis - Ill/Kin - Major Chaos - Ill/Stm | Scrappers - Neutron Crusader - DM/SR

Currently Levelling: Angelic Blade - BS/WP Scrapper | Seeds of Destruction - Plant/Kin Controller

I have DoT and nothing else, so all DoT is good on my controller. Oh and its funny on a respec trial

---

"Well, they found my diary today.
They were appropriately appalled
at the discovery of the eight victims
They're now putting it all together.
Women wrapped in silk
with one leg missing
Eight legs, one body, silk,
spider, brilliant!"

It would be amusing to go into a map with 2 Fire Controllers - 1 each end of a corridor and play ping-pong with the mobs in the middle.

---

L50s: Tanks: Cryofission - Ice/EM - Dr Celsius - Fire/Ice - Saint George - SD/SS | Controllers: Psichosis - Ill/Kin - Major Chaos - Ill/Stm | Scrappers - Neutron Crusader - DM/SR

Currently Levelling: Angelic Blade - BS/WP Scrapper | Seeds of Destruction - Plant/Kin Controller

I love those little side rooms, drop bonfire and stand just out of LoS, they keep run at it, get thrown in the air and never land

---

"Well, they found my diary today.
They were appropriately appalled
at the discovery of the eight victims
They're now putting it all together.
Women wrapped in silk
with one leg missing
Eight legs, one body, silk,
spider, brilliant!"

[ QUOTE ]
I love those little side rooms, drop bonfire and stand just out of LoS, they keep run at it, get thrown in the air and never land

[/ QUOTE ]
Haha that sounds like fun

---

[ QUOTE ]
It would be amusing to go into a map with 2 Fire Controllers - 1 each end of a corridor and play ping-pong with the mobs in the middle.

[/ QUOTE ]

Would be better with grav trollers and singularities. - Very useful when soloing on a cave mish as well - aggro mob abd back up into corridor, leaving sing at opening - mobs charge the opening and singy sends them flying back repeatedly

---

Mind of Gaia lvl 50 Defiant's first Mind/Storm 'troller.
Deadly Doc 50 Dark/Dark Corr
and lots more on Pinnacle,Union and Defiant

As i don't want to start another thread i will ask a question about my fire controller,

Do anyone knows any synergies between Fire and Sonic? Also as far as i know there is no difference between Sonic Dispersion Bubble and Clarify in effects except second one also protects allies from sleep, so i am thinking about skipping bubble and getting clarify. Which one will be more usefull?

Thanks for replies

---