How do I add new powersets in Mid's Hero Designer?
By
Baby_Phoenix,
Posted on: 2008-11-17 24:53 in Player Questions
I think that the new Set will come in the next update from Mid's Hero Designer.
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Yeah I know, but I would like to add it now, so I can start
planning...
The update to Mid's will probably come out a good time
after I13, as all the new changes to PvP, most likely will
be included, and Midnight is just a player like you and me,
and doesn't get payed to make it (except for kind
donations), so he can only work on it when he has time.
Well back to topic... Does anyone know how to add a new
powerset?
And please... don't reply if you don't know, or doesn't
have a suggestion, link or something that might help to get
the question answered...
It can be quite annoying as the poster to see there's a
reply, opening the thread, just to find that the reply
doesn't help at all... 
Ah but... I would suspect that Mids has a creator, that creator will retain the rights to add new powersets and for someone to start hacking the code to do it themselves may be frowned upon surely?
Kinda like getting Windows and asking Bill how you would go about changing it to suit your needs...
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Yeah but why add a Database Editor in the program if you
aren't allowed to create/edit things?
You can go in and edit every single power if you want to.
Some people on US made an unofficial update to Mid's pre-
I12 so people could plan their VEATs to some degree...
That is what I wanna do. Make a temp powerset for myself
with Pain Domination, so I can plan it, while waiting for
Mid's official update.
It isn't hacking/breaking or anything like that. All the
tools to do it is right there in front of any who wish to
use it. The question is; how?
You should be able to add it yourself through the database view, I know I mod things so that I can the benefit of teaming. Wouldn't know how to make a whole new set though.
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You can go in and edit every single power if you want to.
Some people on US made an unofficial update to Mid's pre-
I12 so people could plan their VEATs to some degree...
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And that's why the db editor was added - so people could edit the darn things. It's not like hacking windows at all.
After 45 min trying to coax pain domination in in various ways, I have to give up... I suspect you may have found a bug in Mids. Which wouldn't really surprise me as Mids may use a seperate input method and I'd guess that the powerset editor gets very, very little use/testing by anyone other than Mids.
Sorry I can't help other than confirm you don't seem to be missing anything obvious and you're most definitely not trying to do something that the software doesn't support.
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Why not send him a PM or ask on the Titan forums?
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Thanks for the replies guys... Will try to PM Midnight
about it, and post an update if anything new comes up.
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I would very much appreciate if someone could tell me how
to do this, or if it's even possible.
Thanks in advance. 
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See where it says "Filter by:" and you've got "Groups" selected?
Change it to "All Sets".
You can't add another powerset while you're filtering them.
Once you've done that, you can add a new entry using the middle column. It might compain about an invalid name depending on what you stick in, but it'll still create a new powerset item at the bottom of the list.
Have you ever got it to not complain about an invalid powerset name?
Though I can see now that an oddly named (i.e. unnamed) powerset is created, and it can be selected by the relevant AT (e.g. corruptor secondary) it still throws up errors.
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See where it says "Filter by:" and you've got "Groups" selected?
Change it to "All Sets".
You can't add another powerset while you're filtering them.
Once you've done that, you can add a new entry using the middle column. It might compain about an invalid name depending on what you stick in, but it'll still create a new powerset item at the bottom of the list.
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As I stated in my first post, I've tried anything I could
come up with, your suggestion included.
Sure it creates some kind of powerset, but only the name.
You can't add powers, you can't do anything with it... at
all...
And no matter what you do, you still get the invalid name
prompt. The invalid name prompt also applies to the powers
you try to create, but that doesn't even let you "semi-
create" a power like the powerset creation before.
All in all, the conclusion is this; the creation part of
the Database Editor is broken.
I tried to send a PM to Midnights last night, but I can't
see in the "My Home" page that I've sent it, so I actually
don't know if he has gotten the PM or not.
I'll wait a couple of days before trying again.
On another note; damn there's alot of data to go through,
if you want to create a power! 
Though I only want to create Pain Domination with basic
approx. numbers, but I'm really impressed about the work it
takes to make that planner work, and with all the right
numbers...
I don't know how to mod Mid's designer as I've never tried it but I can quote this comment he made on the Honourable United forum for you...
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...I've never discussed it with the devs, but I won't ever release a version for a build in closed beta. It would be entirely inapropriate.
The fact that all the numbers would still be in flux anyway is beside the point.
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So there will be no 'official' update before I13 goes live, though I have pointed him in the direction of this thread.
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I don't know how to mod Mid's designer as I've never tried it but I can quote this comment he made on the Honourable United forum for you...
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Uh, it's not modding...it's a feature called "Database Editor"...
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I don't know how to mod Mid's designer as I've never tried it but I can quote this comment he made on the Honourable United forum for you...
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Uh, it's not modding...it's a feature called "Database Editor"...
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Poor choice of word as I'm still half asleep and it was only a QR to make the OP aware that this had been brought to Mids's attention elsewhere. Perhaps I should have used the word edit to not confuse people. (not gonna bother getting into a discussing over whether any change is a modification, hence still a mod as it ain't important )
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The database editor tends to be a little bit awkward, it's there primarily for me to use when I need to alter something. I leave it enabled in the release build because people have asked me to, although as already observed, it's not had close to as much testing and so on as the rest of the program. Fixing any glitches in it is generaly very low priority because it's not a primary feature of the program, although I will look at it when I get time.
There's something important that I ought to point out for anyone playing with it to add new powers...
Every power in the database has a permanent index value set the first time I add it to the database. The save files use that index value to store their powers.
If you add a new set now, any saved builds using that set MAY NOT load correctly when the program update gets applied, as the index values may be different.
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Hey Midnights.
First I want to say that it's an awesome planner you've
managed to put together, and can't live without it. 
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Fixing any glitches in it is generaly very low priority because it's not a primary feature of the program, although I will look at it when I get time.
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Don't worry too much about it. I just wanted to make the
powerset with the numbers I've written down from the open
beta, so I could make a semi-build, just so I could see
where the powers would fit in best and such.
Wouldn't even dare go into making a complete powerset with
all variables, scaling, real numbers, etc., as I doesn't
have the required data for that, or a guide how to set up a
powerset properly.
That said, is there a chance that you can make an update
with just the Pain Domination and Shield sets included?
I mean a "small" update without all the other changes, like
the new PvP system, new recipes or other I13 features, so
people can semi-plan builds with the new sets, until you
get around to make a bigger update.
I don't expect it will happen, but it never hurts to ask,
ey?
In any case, keep up the good work!
I'm sitting here a little bored, and thought I would try
and add the Pain Domination powerset to Mid's Hero
Designer, so I could start planning... but it tells me it's
an invalid name!
I've tried alot of combinations, and none of them work.
Tried everything from copying everything in an existing
powerset, though with the name changes, to every absurdly
way of adding, typing and what not.
This is what an existing power setup looks like:
Clickie
And this is what I'm trying to make:
Clickie
The only difference in the two setups, are the names, and
that Cold Domination have powers, but powers come after
you've created the powerset itself.
What do I do wrong? Or is it even me and not the program
that's something wrong with? Or is it altogether something
else?
I would very much appreciate if someone could tell me how
to do this, or if it's even possible.
Thanks in advance.