They should do.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
They do, but do you really want to spend 60 million on 3 Membranes when you can use Def/Rechgs? 
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Hami-Os are the tastiest cereal around.
Question was for a friend who has some spare cash to flash, so 2xHamis + 2xLotG(proc + Def/Rech) + Red Fortune: Def/Rech gives a 1.6s shorter rech than 5 of the def/rech IOs, 0.2% more def, a global rech boost + abit of regen
(Lucky sod already got the proc in a drop so just the Hami-Os left)
just makes perma-mink link that little bit easier, its all about the 0.1s' 
For a Fortunata? Sure, if you have the inf.
For a NW? Much cheaper ways to get it perma.
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IMO perm'ing mindlink is totaly worthless when NW's and Fort's can hit the def soft cap quite easily.
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IMO perm'ing mindlink is totaly worthless when NW's and Fort's can hit the def soft cap quite easily.
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IMO perm'ing mindlink is totaly worthless when NW's and Fort's can hit the def soft cap quite easily.
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^^^ This. And ML also has 30% res(psi).
So why would you NOT perma it??? I would rather skip Elude than ML.
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IMO perm'ing mindlink is totaly worthless when NW's and Fort's can hit the def soft cap quite easily.
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^^^ This. And ML also has 30% res(psi).
So why would you NOT perma it??? I would rather skip Elude than ML.
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I'd definitely take ML over Elude. I've used Elude for actual Defense I think twice since I've gotten it. Generally I pop it for a laugh when I want to run really fast unsurpressed, 3rech 3run ftw!
On a related note, has anyone tried the pure Recharge IO from Adjusted Targeting?
Is it time for the dance of joy yet?
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Actualy yes i duo'ed with a Bane to 50 with my soft capped def and with my friends manuevours i was pushing 60% def all the time and had ML to help with the casscade effect.
Didn't take elude, just didn't need it.
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^^^ This. And ML also has 30% res(psi).
So why would you NOT perma it??? I would rather skip Elude than ML.
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Who said anything about skipping ?
I used ML for the extra Psi res to but it was pointless to perm it.
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Don't team much with anyone who doesn't already have lots of +def do you?
Don't fight psychic clockwork much do you?
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Err whats that got to do with the price of eggs ?
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Don't fight psychic clockwork much do you?
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Don't often find them in CoV outside of LGTF and i had no problem at all with that TF
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^^^ This. And ML also has 30% res(psi).
So why would you NOT perma it??? I would rather skip Elude than ML.
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Who said anything about skipping ?
I used ML for the extra Psi res to but it was pointless to perm it.
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This seems to imply it's not really needed.
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And again, why NOT perma it if it costs a couple of hundred k inf and doesn't even need 6 slots?
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And again, why NOT perma it if it costs a couple of hundred k inf and doesn't even need 6 slots?
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Becuase to perm it would take to much messing about taking powers you don't need just to get something thats easy to achive anyway (def soft cap).
Over the pond the americans are saying 3 HO's + hasten +45% global recharge just to perm ML for a fortunata.
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showflat....2&fpart=all
sorry but i have def soft capped and ML as backup so to perm it is just utterly pointless and would ruin my build.
Fortunata's get the same Def as NW so they to can hit the def cap.
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For you perma Mind Link might not be that useful, since you and your teammate will have caped def anyway. However, before you start giving advice to others, you need to bear in mind that most players will have little or no +def, and will be very glad of being perma mind linked.
I really should do something about this signature.
And it might not be worth it for Forts given how much it would cost in terms of slots and inf, but for NWs, it's really not that hard. 4 slots in ML + MT + Hasten + a bit of +rechg from sets is all you need. Also, given that we don't have that much to help against def debuffs (outside of Elude), it's probably safer to be at a constant 60% def than at 45%.
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For you perma Mind Link might not be that useful, since you and your teammate will have caped def anyway. However, before you start giving advice to others, you need to bear in mind that most players will have little or no +def, and will be very glad of being perma mind linked.
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Thats my whole point.
People are saying 'omg omg i need perm mindlink to soft cap my def!' when really it can be capped easily without it and cheaply i might add and would be constant with ML for backup and without the need to take hasten.
Also the difference between 60% def and 45% def is ZERO this is due to NPC always having a 5% chance to hit nomatter what your def is, so once that hit lands and its -def debuff then its just a cascade effect till your def is zero.
A higher def won't stop it it willl just take 1-2 hits more before it is zero.
Basiclly folks it boils down to 2 builds
Soft capped def with ML as backup
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ML base def with nothing in reserve (unless you take elude)
Yes theres probably other options but for a def build those are probably the best.
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Eh, no, you are completely missing the point.
No one is saying OMG perma-ML is essential.
They are saying they want to have perma-ML for the benefit of thier non-SoA teammates.
That is why we assume you don't team, because you are only thinking about the potential benefit of a power to your own character, not for the team.
I really should do something about this signature.
Yeah i see what your saying but general feeling in the CoH community and people i've spoken to with SoA's think theres only one way to cap def and thats with ML.
Thats just incorrect.
I have to admit i do like to get my toons the best they can be before thinking about teams and no i don't totally solo i do team regularly.
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People are saying 'omg omg i need perm mindlink to soft cap my def!' when really it can be capped easily without it and cheaply
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Stop teaming with n00bs. No one here is saying you need ML to softcap defence. Just that if you can easily (at least for NWs) afford to have a great team buff perma (or close), why not do it? Think I'll move on to another thread now...
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Yeah i see what your saying but general feeling in the CoH community and people i've spoken to with SoA's think theres only one way to cap def and thats with ML.
Thats just incorrect.
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Was not the point of the thread, the reason i want ML perma is for the theory of 2x widows with it perma boosting the def of a team by 32% i couldnt care less about the effect on me, without it my melee/ranged/AoE is 51/49/53 but a toon with 10% def thats suddenly 3% short of the soft cap will be over the moon
imo ML is a team buff, not a self buff
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Yes - but with a Night Widow you can work in perma mind link to hit the soft def cap and go for IO bonus' that aren't +Def.
Just wanted to check if any1 has tried Def/rech Hami-Os in Mind link and whether it gave the recharge or not, i know def/rech IOs do, curious to see if blobby enhs do too