Help needed! - trying to build a Night Widow..
By
Blind_Minotaur,
Posted on: 2008-06-09 11:54 in Soldiers of Arachnos
personally i would drop hasten and SS slot swift and mental training with 2 run speeds and slot sprint with 3 (swapping them out for HOs later) in order to take the other powers i would take placate alot earlier if not for the aggro management for the crit chance AoE.
would take Combat Training: Offensive, and take leadership around 20 (after stamina) and save lots of slots by not slotting any acc (done this on my bane and no problems hitting plus its a team buff alot earlier)
poisen dart does not need recharge redux even if you have a spare slot ... put it in elude for the extra def cuz even with elude your no where near cap. infact quiet a few powers seem slotted weird for max efficency in PvE i'll do one for ya for you to compare and take the best bits from both
This is what i would do if i was gunna level all the way to 50 before putting sets in (like i know you do) theres alot of slots spare this way so obviously i just put random stuff in at 50 i would respec out combat training offensive and get in Spin
Level 50 Natural Night Widow
Primary Power Set: Widow Training
Secondary Power Set: Teamwork
Power Pool: Fitness
Villain Profile:
Level 1: Poison Dart <ul type="square">[*] (A) Damage Increase IO: Level 50[*] (3) Damage Increase IO: Level 50[*] (31) Damage Increase IO: Level 50[*] (45) Range IO: Level 50[/list]Level 1: Combat Training: Defensive <ul type="square">[*] (A) Defense Buff IO: Level 50[*] (3) Defense Buff IO: Level 50[*] (7) Defense Buff IO: Level 50[/list]Level 2: Combat Training: Offensive <ul type="square">[*] (A) Accuracy IO: Level 50[*] (5) Accuracy IO: Level 50[*] (11) Accuracy IO: Level 50[/list]Level 4: Mental Blast <ul type="square">[*] (A) Damage Increase IO: Level 50[*] (5) Damage Increase IO: Level 50[*] (13) Damage Increase IO: Level 50[*] (33) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50[/list]Level 6: Dart Burst <ul type="square">[*] (A) Damage Increase IO: Level 50[*] (7) Damage Increase IO: Level 50[*] (11) Damage Increase IO: Level 50[*] (34) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50[*] (43) Range IO: Level 50[/list]Level 8: Tactical Training: Maneuvers <ul type="square">[*] (A) Defense Buff IO: Level 50[*] (9) Defense Buff IO: Level 50[*] (23) Defense Buff IO: Level 50[*] (50) Endurance Reduction IO: Level 50[/list]Level 10: Indomitable Will <ul type="square">[*] (A) Endurance Reduction IO: Level 50[*] (37) Resist Damage IO: Level 50[*] (37) Resist Damage IO: Level 50[/list]Level 12: Swift <ul type="square">[*] (A) Run Speed IO: Level 50[*] (13) Run Speed IO: Level 50[/list]Level 14: Lunge <ul type="square">[*] (A) Damage Increase IO: Level 50[*] (15) Damage Increase IO: Level 50[*] (15) Damage Increase IO: Level 50[*] (34) Slow IO: Level 50[*] (48) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50[*] (48) Endurance Reduction IO: Level 50[/list]Level 16: Health <ul type="square">[*] (A) Healing IO: Level 50[*] (17) Healing IO: Level 50[*] (17) Healing IO: Level 50[/list]Level 18: Build Up <ul type="square">[*] (A) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50[*] (19) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50[*] (19) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50[/list]Level 20: Stamina <ul type="square">[*] (A) Endurance Modification IO: Level 50[*] (21) Endurance Modification IO: Level 50[*] (21) Endurance Modification IO: Level 50[/list]Level 22: Mental Training <ul type="square">[*] (A) Run Speed IO: Level 50[*] (23) Run Speed IO: Level 50[/list]Level 24: Mask Presence <ul type="square">[*] (A) Defense Buff IO: Level 50[*] (25) Defense Buff IO: Level 50[*] (25) Defense Buff IO: Level 50[*] (36) Endurance Reduction IO: Level 50[*] (48) Endurance Reduction IO: Level 50[*] (50) Defense Buff IO: Level 50[/list]Level 26: Mind Link <ul type="square">[*] (A) HamiO:Membrane Exposure[*] (27) HamiO:Membrane Exposure[*] (27) HamiO:Membrane Exposure[/list]Level 28: Tactical Training: Leadership <ul type="square">[*] (A) To Hit Buff IO: Level 50[*] (29) To Hit Buff IO: Level 50[*] (29) Endurance Reduction IO: Level 50[/list]Level 30: Foresight <ul type="square">[*] (A) Defense Buff IO: Level 50[*] (31) Defense Buff IO: Level 50[*] (31) Defense Buff IO: Level 50[*] (37) Resist Damage IO: Level 50[*] (46) Resist Damage IO: Level 50[/list]Level 32: Eviscerate <ul type="square">[*] (A) Damage Increase IO: Level 50[*] (33) Damage Increase IO: Level 50[*] (33) Damage Increase IO: Level 50[*] (40) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50[*] (46) Endurance Reduction IO: Level 50[*] (46) Accuracy IO: Level 50[/list]Level 35: Placate <ul type="square">[*] (A) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50[*] (36) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50[*] (36) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50[/list]Level 38: Elude <ul type="square">[*] (A) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50[*] (39) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50[*] (39) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50[*] (39) Defense Buff IO: Level 50[*] (40) Defense Buff IO: Level 50[*] (40) Defense Buff IO: Level 50[/list]Level 41: Psychic Scream <ul type="square">[*] (A) Damage Increase IO: Level 50[*] (42) Damage Increase IO: Level 50[*] (42) Damage Increase IO: Level 50[*] (42) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50[*] (43) Endurance Reduction IO: Level 50[*] (43) Range IO: Level 50[/list]Level 44: Smoke Grenade <ul type="square">[*] (A) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50[*] (45) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50[*] (45) Range IO: Level 50[/list]Level 47: Tactical Training: Assault <ul type="square">[*] (A) Endurance Reduction IO: Level 50[/list]Level 49: Tatical Training: Vengeance <ul type="square">[*] (A) HamiO:Membrane Exposure[*] (50) Healing IO: Level 50[/list]------------
Level 1: Arachnos Training <ul type="square">[*] (A) Empty[/list]Level 1: Sprint <ul type="square">[*] (A) HamiO:Microfilament Exposure[*] (9) HamiO:Microfilament Exposure[*] (34) HamiO:Microfilament Exposure[/list]Level 2: Rest <ul type="square">[*] (A) Empty[/list]------------
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Actually your build is fairly close to what mine is atm (mid 30s), except for BU/FU (I went for the "scrappery" build). A couple of points since a few things in the unofficial Mids' update are a bit off:
- IW: the base end cost is only 0.21/s so 1 EndRdx should be enough.
- Mask Presence: same end cost, the base +def is really low (2.5%), so I wouldn't bother enhancing.
- Mind Link: you can't actually slot +Res enhances (or sets) into it. I would slot 3 Def until you can get Def/Rech from sets (or Membranes later on if you're stupidly rich).
- TT Leadership: 1 EndRdx should be enough. I would probably take Assault before it, but depends a bit on playstyle.
Hope some of this helps! 
CoX 50s: <ill/rad> <ice/ice> <fire/kin> <grav/sonic> <ice/storm> <earth/kin> <kin/elec> <cold/psy> <thugs/dark> <fire/dark> <dark/elec> <night widow> <EM/ninj> <mind/icy>
I had a look again and this is what I've come up with:
Villain Plan by Mids' Villain Designer 1.30
http://www.honourableunited.org.uk/mhd.php
Solvent: Level 50 Natural Night Widow
Primary Power Set: Widow Training
Secondary Power Set: Teamwork
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fitness
Villain Profile:
Level 1: Poison Dart -- Dmg-I:50(A), Dmg-I:50(5), Dmg-I:50(5), Range-I:50(9), EndRdx-I:50(11), Acc-I:50(17)
Level 1: Combat Training: Defensive -- DefBuff-I:50(A), DefBuff-I:50(3), DefBuff-I:50(3)
Level 2: Combat Training: Offensive -- Acc-I:50(A), Acc-I:50(9)
Level 4: Tactical Training: Maneuvers -- DefBuff-I:50(A), DefBuff-I:50(7), DefBuff-I:50(7), EndRdx-I:50(11)
Level 6: Hasten -- RechRdx-I:50(A), RechRdx-I:50(25), RechRdx-I:50(25)
Level 8: Build Up -- RechRdx-I:50(A), RechRdx-I:50(19), RechRdx-I:50(19)
Level 10: Indomitable Will -- EndRdx-I:50(A), ResDam-I:50(15), ResDam-I:50(15)
Level 12: Lunge -- Dmg-I:50(A), Dmg-I:50(13), Dmg-I:50(13), Acc-I:50(17), Acc-I:50(29), EndRdx-I:50(46)
Level 14: Swift -- Run-I:50(A), Run-I:50(40)
Level 16: Health -- Heal-I:50(A), Heal-I:50(29), Heal-I:50(31)
Level 18: Slash -- Acc-I:50(A), Acc-I:50(23), Dmg-I:50(23), Dmg-I:50(31), Dmg-I:50(34), EndRdx-I:50(34)
Level 20: Stamina -- EndMod-I:50(A), EndMod-I:50(21), EndMod-I:50(21)
Level 22: Mask Presence -- DefBuff-I:50(A), DefBuff-I:50(27), DefBuff-I:50(31), EndRdx-I:50(33), EndRdx-I:50(45)
Level 24: Mental Training -- Run-I:50(A), Run-I:50(37)
Level 26: Foresight -- DefBuff-I:50(A), DefBuff-I:50(27), DefBuff-I:50(33), ResDam-I:50(33), ResDam-I:50(34), ResDam-I:50(43)
Level 28: Mind Link -- HO:Membr(A), HO:Membr(36), HO:Membr(36)
Level 30: Placate -- RechRdx-I:50(A), RechRdx-I:50(36), RechRdx-I:50(37)
Level 32: Spin -- Acc-I:50(A), Acc-I:50(37), Dmg-I:50(39), Dmg-I:50(39), Dmg-I:50(39), EndRdx-I:50(42)
Level 35: Eviscerate -- Acc-I:50(A), Acc-I:50(40), Dmg-I:50(40), Dmg-I:50(42), Dmg-I:50(43), EndRdx-I:50(46)
Level 38: Tactical Training: Assault -- EndRdx-I:50(A)
Level 41: Elude -- DefBuff-I:50(A), DefBuff-I:50(42), DefBuff-I:50(43), RechRdx-I:50(45), RechRdx-I:50(46)
Level 44: Super Speed -- Run-I:50(A), Run-I:50(45)
Level 47: Psychic Scream -- Acc-I:50(A), Acc-I:50(48), Dmg-I:50(48), Dmg-I:50(48), Dmg-I:50(50), EndRdx-I:50(50)
Level 49: Smoke Grenade -- Acc-I:50(A), EndRdx-I:50(50)
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Level 1: Arachnos Training -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Run-I:50(A)
Level 2: Rest -- RechRdx-I:50(A)
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I mixed up some of the slotting, double slotted swift and mental training, so I can get around at a reasonable rate. Re-enhanced mind link and elude, moved placate forward, took out TT Leadership to put in Combat training: Offensive early. Pushed SS back to 44.
I'm pretty happy with it, anything I need to change before I respec this live?
Thanks for the help so far guys...
Small update: Now mid's builder is updated today I have gone through the build again, it's pretty much the same but no travel and vengeance added.
Any Critique?
Villain Plan by Mids' Villain Designer 1.40
http://www.cohplanner.com/
Solvent: Level 50 Natural Arachnos Widow
Primary Power Set: Night Widow Training
Secondary Power Set: Widow Teamwork
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fitness
Villain Profile:
Level 1: Poison Dart -- Dmg-I:40(A), Dmg-I:40(5), Dmg-I:40(5), Range-I:40(9), EndRdx-I:40(11), Acc-I:40(17)
Level 1: Combat Training: Defensive -- DefBuff-I:40(A), DefBuff-I:40(3), DefBuff-I:40(3)
Level 2: Combat Training: Offensive -- Acc-I:40(A), Acc-I:40(9)
Level 4: Tactical Training: Maneuvers -- DefBuff-I:40(A), DefBuff-I:40(7), DefBuff-I:40(7), EndRdx-I:40(11)
Level 6: Hasten -- RechRdx-I:40(A), RechRdx-I:40(25), RechRdx-I:40(25)
Level 8: Build Up -- RechRdx-I:40(A), RechRdx-I:40(19), RechRdx-I:40(19)
Level 10: Indomitable Will -- EndRdx-I:40(A), ResDam-I:40(15), ResDam-I:40(15)
Level 12: Lunge -- Dmg-I:40(A), Dmg-I:40(13), Dmg-I:40(13), Acc-I:40(17), Acc-I:40(29), EndRdx-I:40(46)
Level 14: Swift -- Run-I:40(A), Run-I:40(40)
Level 16: Health -- Heal-I:40(A), Heal-I:40(29), Heal-I:40(31)
Level 18: Slash -- Dmg-I:40(A), Dmg-I:40(23), Dmg-I:40(23), Acc-I:40(31), Acc-I:40(34), EndRdx-I:40(34)
Level 20: Stamina -- EndMod-I:40(A), EndMod-I:40(21), EndMod-I:40(21)
Level 22: Mask Presence -- DefBuff-I:40(A), DefBuff-I:40(27), DefBuff-I:40(31), EndRdx-I:40(33), EndRdx-I:40(45)
Level 24: Mental Training -- Run-I:40(A), Run-I:40(37)
Level 26: Foresight -- DefBuff-I:40(A), DefBuff-I:40(27), DefBuff-I:40(33), ResDam-I:40(33), ResDam-I:40(34), ResDam-I:40(43)
Level 28: Mind Link -- HO:Membr(A), HO:Membr(36), HO:Membr(36)
Level 30: Placate -- RechRdx-I:40(A), RechRdx-I:40(36), RechRdx-I:40(37)
Level 32: Spin -- Dmg-I:40(A), Dmg-I:40(37), Dmg-I:40(39), Acc-I:40(39), Acc-I:40(39), EndRdx-I:40(42)
Level 35: Eviscerate -- Dmg-I:40(A), Dmg-I:40(40), Dmg-I:40(40), Acc-I:40(42), Acc-I:40(43), EndRdx-I:40(46)
Level 38: Elude -- DefBuff-I:40(A), DefBuff-I:40(42), DefBuff-I:40(43), RechRdx-I:40(45), RechRdx-I:40(46)
Level 41: Tactical Training: Assault -- EndRdx-I:40(A)
Level 44: Tactical Training: Vengeance -- Heal-I:40(A), DefBuff-I:40(45)
Level 47: Psychic Scream -- Dmg-I:40(A), Dmg-I:40(48), Dmg-I:40(48), Acc-I:40(48), Acc-I:40(50), EndRdx-I:40(50)
Level 49: Smoke Grenade -- Acc-I:40(A), EndRdx-I:40(50)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Run-I:40(A)
Level 2: Rest -- RechRdx-I:40(A)
Level 1: Conditioning
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Do you really need any def enhancements in elude? It's 60% out of the box, and on top of your widow defences I see few situations where you need the 95% defence from three slots.
How should I slot it then? I haven't personally had it before, I thought it'd be a good idea to get it for those EB/AV fights, for survivability. As you say I already have defenses with Night Widow anyway, so I thought maximise the defense to make it worth getting the power in the first place.
Elude is a nice power. I'm saying that you'll already be closish to the soft defence cap of 45% (It's good to be above that in case of +acc) and 60% unslotted is plenty IMO. You only really need recharge in it. Runspeed and Endmod might be handy, runspeed as you have all that runspeed to stack with and Elude gives a great bonus that will probably push it up to SS levels while it's up, and Endmod because, well, if you pop it during an EB/AV fight you'll love the bottomless endurance!
Oh, and another thing, Sprint is slightly better to slot for run than MT or Swift, as it gives 50% runspeed as opposed to 35%. Unless you want to invest your slots in the passive part of the speed.
I was just wondering what would work the best strike vs spin from a pvp/pve point of view.((lol stupid qeustion i know and kinda already know the answer but was just wondering what ye'all would say)) 
PvP: strike is better, because it's single target and not a PBAoE. Although, melee is still quite gimped in pvp... But anyways, that's the pick for PvP.
PvE: Spin is better if you like to play in teams, for a PvE soloer strike might still be a better choice.
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Well I would really advise both, as strike is a pretty fast, good damage attack, with a nice end cost and a good recharge, so you can't go wrong with it. Spin is the same damage as strike (though more is AoE). Even though it has slower animation, longer rech, higher end, it's an AoE. A good damage one at that. So for PvE, it's Spin all the way, a no-brainer. For PvP, spin is [censored], as are most PBAoEs I take it, and strike will give you better mileage.
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I was just wondering what would work the best strike vs spin from a pvp/pve point of view.
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Dont PvP with a night widow.Simple as that.Fortunata is 100 times better for pvping with a VEAT.Awsome solo if u can fit in aid self and unbelievable in teams.
Oookay. Having fun with my Night Widow thus far to 30, but could use some advice on where to go next.
Apologies for slightly scrappy layout, but my powers are:
PRIMARY
Poison Dart (IO: Thunderstrike x 4)
Strike (1x std Acc IO, 3x std Dam IO)
Follow Up (1x std Acc IO, 3x std Dam IO)
Slash (5x Crushing Impact)
Eviscerate (3x Cleaving Blow at the moment)
SECONDARY
Combat Training / Def (3x std Def IO)
Combat Training / Acc (3x std Acc IO)
Tac Training / Maneuvers (2x std Def IO, 1x std EndRed IO)
Mask Presence (2x std Def IO, 1x std EndRed IO)
Mental Training (1x std Flight IO)
Mind Link (taken at 24, near-perma'd already with Def/Rech, Def, Recharge from Targeting set)
POOLS
Stamina: Swift / Health / Stamina (3x std EndMod IO)
Flight: Air Superiority (1x std Acc IO, 2x std Dam IO) / Fly
VETERANS:
Sands Of Mu / Nem Staff
Thinking about putting Foresight back at 32, choosing between Lunge, Psi Scream and Smoke Grenade at 35 and 38, and following the Ghost Widow track for Patrons.
What holes do I need to patch?
Is it time for the dance of joy yet?
I have personally gone a very different route than you have, as you will see by reading back a few pags, but here's what i would recommend.
I'd get Foresight asap, then lunge at 35, smoke grenade at 38 and psi scream maybe 41 then going with your patron 44 onwards?
Just an idea
Okay well I caved in waiting and got the Unofficial i12 update for Mid's. Been playing around with a Widow build, any critique for the following?
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It's a pve build thats hopefully quite capable of soloing, but will probably spend most of its life in teams.
Villain Plan by Mids' Villain Designer 1.30
http://www.honourableunited.org.uk/mhd.php
Solvent: Level 50 Natural Night Widow
Primary Power Set: Widow Training
Secondary Power Set: Teamwork
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fitness
Villain Profile:
Level 1: Poison Dart -- Acc-I:50(A), Dmg-I:50(5), Dmg-I:50(5), Dmg-I:50(9), RechRdx-I:50(11), EndRdx-I:50(11)
Level 1: Combat Training: Defensive -- DefBuff-I:50(A), DefBuff-I:50(3), DefBuff-I:50(3)
Level 2: Strike -- Acc-I:50(A), Dmg-I:50(9), Dmg-I:50(15), Dmg-I:50(15), RechRdx-I:50(17), EndRdx-I:50(17)
Level 4: Tactical Training: Maneuvers -- DefBuff-I:50(A), DefBuff-I:50(7), DefBuff-I:50(7), EndRdx-I:50(45)
Level 6: Hasten -- RechRdx-I:50(A), RechRdx-I:50(25), RechRdx-I:50(25)
Level 8: Build Up -- RechRdx-I:50(A), RechRdx-I:50(19), RechRdx-I:50(19)
Level 10: Indomitable Will -- EndRdx-I:50(A), EndRdx-I:50(27), ResDam-I:50(45)
Level 12: Lunge -- Acc-I:50(A), Dmg-I:50(13), Dmg-I:50(13), Dmg-I:50(27), EndRdx-I:50(29), RechRdx-I:50(46)
Level 14: Super Speed -- Run-I:50(A)
Level 16: Health -- Heal-I:50(A), Heal-I:50(29), Heal-I:50(31)
Level 18: Hurdle -- Jump-I:50(A)
Level 20: Stamina -- EndMod-I:50(A), EndMod-I:50(21), EndMod-I:50(21)
Level 22: Slash -- Acc-I:50(A), Dmg-I:50(23), Dmg-I:50(23), Dmg-I:50(31), RechRdx-I:50(34), EndRdx-I:50(34)
Level 24: Mask Presence -- DefBuff-I:50(A), DefBuff-I:50(31), EndRdx-I:50(33)
Level 26: Foresight -- DefBuff-I:50(A), DefBuff-I:50(33), DefBuff-I:50(33), ResDam-I:50(34), ResDam-I:50(43), ResDam-I:50(45)
Level 28: Mental Training -- Run-I:50(A)
Level 30: Eviscerate -- Acc-I:50(A), Dmg-I:50(36), Dmg-I:50(37), Dmg-I:50(37), EndRdx-I:50(37), RechRdx-I:50(46)
Level 32: Mind Link -- DefBuff-I:50(A), DefBuff-I:50(39), DefBuff-I:50(39), ToHit-I:50(39), ResDam-I:50(40), EndRdx-I:50(46)
Level 35: Placate -- RechRdx-I:50(A), RechRdx-I:50(36), RechRdx-I:50(36)
Level 38: Tactical Training: Leadership -- ToHit-I:50(A), ToHit-I:50(40), ToHit-I:50(40), EndRdx-I:50(42), EndRdx-I:50(43)
Level 41: Elude -- DefBuff-I:50(A), DefBuff-I:50(42), RechRdx-I:50(42), RechRdx-I:50(43)
Level 44: Tactical Training: Assault -- EndRdx-I:50(A)
Level 47: Psychic Scream -- Acc-I:50(A), Dmg-I:50(48), Dmg-I:50(48), Dmg-I:50(48), RechRdx-I:50(50), EndRdx-I:50(50)
Level 49: Smoke Grenade -- Acc-I:50(A), EndRdx-I:50(50)
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Level 1: Arachnos Training -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Run-I:50(A)
Level 2: Rest -- RechRdx-I:50(A)
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