Help needed! - trying to build a Night Widow..

I can really see much on that one but i think i will bow to your better judgement.
I'll try it myself and see what results i get altho it won't really do much for my build as its at the soft cap anyway and i only use Mindlink for AV's and such.

Aye, sorry, was the best i can do. Mind link's IOs = Gift of the Ancients, Serendepidy and LotG def/rech IOs. combined with the detailed info, shows they are affected.

Apparently WAI, but if so, poorly excecuted...mainly shown by this discussion haven taken place :P. *May* get 'corrected' in patch or two, i'd guess...enjoying it while it lasts

Yeah i've seen BaBs comments on the US forum about it and not excepting recharge IO's but apparantly hes happy with how it is at the moment, except the animation which he forgot about so it is WAI i just didn't know doubles/triples with recharge actualy effected the recharge on it as theres no offical word on it.

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as theres no offical word on it.

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That's the issue right there

Ah well, certainly cheaper than trying to get enough global recharge w/o hasten

Oh just a quick Thanks again Xemulas for proving me wrong.
I have no problem admitting i'm wrong if people have good solid facts and don't just shout and bawl about it

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as theres no offical word on it.

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That's the issue right there

Ah well, certainly cheaper than trying to get enough global recharge w/o hasten

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Yep altho now is raises the question how much recharge you would need to perm it without hasten and with the def/recharge IO's.

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Oh just a quick Thanks again Xemulas for proving me wrong.
I have no problem admitting i'm wrong if people have good solid facts and don't just shout and bawl about it

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And if you supplied something to prove wrong other than 'Mids doesn't show it' (Mids isn't official) and 'you don't think it's right' (despite having never tried it) then you would actually have a case.

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as theres no offical word on it.

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That's the issue right there

Ah well, certainly cheaper than trying to get enough global recharge w/o hasten

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Yep altho now is raises the question how much recharge you would need to perm it without hasten and with the def/recharge IO's.

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Stories of Perma-Mind Link seem to only come from NWs.

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as theres no offical word on it.

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That's the issue right there

Ah well, certainly cheaper than trying to get enough global recharge w/o hasten

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Yep altho now is raises the question how much recharge you would need to perm it without hasten and with the def/recharge IO's.

[/ QUOTE ]Answer- Fortunatas don't, and Night Widows do. Night Widow Mind Link has a much lower recharge out of the box, and they also have mental training.

Stories of Perma-Mind Link seem to only come from NWs.

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PLease see previous posts Spirit, my fortunata has perma mind link thanks to several Def/Rech enhancements

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as theres no offical word on it.

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That's the issue right there

Ah well, certainly cheaper than trying to get enough global recharge w/o hasten

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Yep altho now is raises the question how much recharge you would need to perm it without hasten and with the def/recharge IO's.

[/ QUOTE ]Answer- Fortunatas don't, and Night Widows do. Night Widow Mind Link has a much lower recharge out of the box, and they also have mental training.

Stories of Perma-Mind Link seem to only come from NWs.

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PLease see previous posts Spirit, my fortunata has perma mind link thanks to several Def/Rech enhancements

[/ QUOTE ]Fortunata Mind Link- 90sec duration, 300sec recharge. ~100% from those Def/Rech IOs will bring that down to 150secs. 70% recharge from hasten on top of that will make it 113secs. So please, tell me where you cut off those 23secs. A night widow can get perma with def/rech IOs, mental training and hasten. Fortunata can't, unless you stack up extreme global bonuses.
I use several def/rech enhancements in my Fortunata's mind link, and it's sure not perma.

Villain Plan by Mids' Villain Designer 1.30
http://www.honourableunited.org.uk/mhd.php

Dusky: Level 50 Natural Fortunata
Primary Power Set: Fortunata Training
Secondary Power Set: Teamwork
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fitness

Villain Profile:
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Level 1: Telekinetic Blast Thundr-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(A), Thundr-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:50(13), Dev'n-Acc/Dmg:50(17), HO:Centri(17), Dev'n-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(37), Dev'n-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(37)
Level 1: Combat Training: Defensive GftotA-Def/EndRdx:30(A), GftotA-Def:30(3), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx/Rchg:30(3), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx:50(19)
Level 2: Combat Training: Offensive Acc-I:50(A)
Level 4: Tactical Training: Maneuvers LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(A), LkGmblr-Def:50(5), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx:50(5), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg:50(7)
Level 6: Subdue Thundr-Acc/Dmg:50(A), Thundr-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(7), HO:Centri(11), Dev'n-Acc/Dmg:50(27), Dev'n-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(27), Dev'n-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(34)
Level 8: Aim AdjTgt-ToHit:50(A), AdjTgt-ToHit/Rchg:50(9), AdjTgt-ToHit/EndRdx/Rchg:50(9), AdjTgt-Rchg:50(11), AdjTgt-EndRdx/Rchg:50(40)
Level 10: Combat Jumping Jump-I:40(A), Jump-I:50(42)
Level 12: Indomitable Will EndRdx-I:50(A), EndRdx-I:50(13)
Level 14: Hasten RechRdx-I:50(A), RechRdx-I:50(15), RechRdx-I:50(15)
Level 16: Super Jump SprngFt-EndRdx/Jump:50(A)
Level 18: Tactical Training: Assault EndRdx-I:50(A), EndRdx-I:50(19)
Level 20: Tactical Training: Leadership GSFC-ToHit:50(A), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg:50(21), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx:50(21), GSFC-Rchg/EndRdx:50(37), GSFC-ToHit/EndRdx:50(40)
Level 22: Foresight LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(A), TtmC'tng-ResDam:50(23), TtmC'tng-ResDam/EndRdx:50(23), TtmC'tng-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg:40(43), TtmC'tng-EndRdx/Rchg:40(43)
Level 24: Mind Link LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(A), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx:50(25), RedFtn-Def:50(25), RedFtn-Def/Rchg:50(34), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx/Rchg:50(46), RedFtn-EndRdx/Rchg:50(46)
Level 26: Hurdle Jump-I:50(A), Jump-I:50(43)
Level 28: Health Numna-Regen/Rcvry+:50(A), Mrcl-Rcvry+:40(29), Mrcl-Heal:40(29), Mrcl-Heal/EndRdx:40(50)
Level 30: Stamina P'Shift-End%:50(A), P'Shift-EndMod:50(31), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc:50(31), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg:50(31)
Level 32: Confuse CoPers-Conf:50(A), CoPers-Conf/Rchg:50(33), CoPers-Acc/Conf/Rchg:50(33), CoPers-Acc/Rchg:50(33), CoPers-Conf/EndRdx:50(34)
Level 35: Tatical Training: Vengeance LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(A), LkGmblr-Def:50(36), LkGmblr-Def/Rchg:50(36), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg:50(36)
Level 38: Lunge Hectmb-Dmg:50(A), Hectmb-Dmg/Rchg:50(39), Hectmb-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(39), Hectmb-Acc/Rchg:50(39), Hectmb-Dam%:50(40)
Level 41: Super Speed QckFt-EndRdx:50(A), QckFt-EndRdx/RunSpd:50(42), QckFt-RunSpd:50(42)
Level 44: Mental Blast Apoc-Dmg:50(A), Apoc-Dmg/Rchg:50(45), Apoc-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(45), Apoc-Acc/Rchg:50(45), Apoc-Dam%:50(46)
Level 47: Dominate UbrkCons-Hold:50(A), UbrkCons-Hold/Rchg:50(48), UbrkCons-Acc/Hold/Rchg:50(48), UbrkCons-Acc/Rchg:50(48), UbrkCons-EndRdx/Hold:50(50)
Level 49: Mask Presence LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(A), EndRdx-I:50(50)
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Level 1: Brawl Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint Clrty-Stlth:50(A)
Level 2: Rest Empty(A)
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Set Bonus Totals:
+14.5% DamageBuff
+57% Enhancement(Accuracy)
+4% Enhancement(Confused)
+87.5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
+10% FlySpeed
+212.4 (17.6%) HitPoints
+10% JumpSpeed
+MezResist(Immobilize) (Mag 5.5%)
+MezResist(Sleep) (Mag 2.2%)
+MezResist(Stun) (Mag 2.2%)
+25.5% Recovery
+60% Regeneration
+6.3% Resistance(Fire)
+6.3% Resistance(Cold)
+1.26% Resistance(Energy)
+1.26% Resistance(Negative)
+10% RunSpeed




That's my build with 3 sec downtime on Mind Link, 3 seconds is barely noticable.

That counts as extreme global bonuses in my book.

Also have you checked your Mid's database? I think that when I downloaded the update thing the rech was wrong... not sure though. I know I've had to do a lot of fiddling about. I think it was down as lower than it actually is.

Still, I don't doubt that builds like yours can and will be done, it's just that perma mindlink doesnt seem like it's something people will build fortunatas for, it's not as defining as Permadom. Then again, if you have money then theres not much to get apart from +rech...

He's got a Red Fortune set and a LotG +rech in Mind Link though, not def/recharges from different sets. So one could easily switch and have mind link stack (if it does that) for a significant period. If that was what was wanted. Globey works on builds though, not single powers. So the extra global +rech from ML would help powers like Aim and TKB recharge faster for pvp situations.

Also Mind Link, to me, is primarily for team psi resistance, not defence, but then I've never seen it used in PvE lol

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Also Mind Link, to me, is primarily for team psi resistance, not defence, but then I've never seen it used in PvE lol

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And lots of people suck for not taking it. Well, not suck, but it's a really nice power.

Also globey, can you just let me at your build chunk please? Want to check it out.

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Oh just a quick Thanks again Xemulas for proving me wrong.
I have no problem admitting i'm wrong if people have good solid facts and don't just shout and bawl about it

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And if you supplied something to prove wrong other than 'Mids doesn't show it' (Mids isn't official) and 'you don't think it's right' (despite having never tried it) then you would actually have a case.

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Well if you hadn't shouted "WRONG!" and just said 'no thats not correct and heres why' in a civil manor i would of paid more attention

Excellent its nice to know we can get Mind Link up more often, it does rock after all.

Any chance Globey or someone could post a Night Widow build (as opposed to Fortunata) in here, I'm pooling my resources trying to get the most input i can.

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Oh just a quick Thanks again Xemulas for proving me wrong.
I have no problem admitting i'm wrong if people have good solid facts and don't just shout and bawl about it

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And if you supplied something to prove wrong other than 'Mids doesn't show it' (Mids isn't official) and 'you don't think it's right' (despite having never tried it) then you would actually have a case.

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Well if you hadn't shouted "WRONG!" and just said 'no thats not correct and heres why' in a civil manor i would of paid more attention

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I think if you look at my posts you won't find any such shouting, and as far as I'm aware wrong means the same as not correct.

If you hadn't have presented incorrect facts as correct then I wouldn't have had to correct you.

And I have no idea why you are waffling on about large country houses.

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Also globey, can you just let me at your build chunk please? Want to check it out.

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Oh just a quick Thanks again Xemulas for proving me wrong.
I have no problem admitting i'm wrong if people have good solid facts and don't just shout and bawl about it

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And if you supplied something to prove wrong other than 'Mids doesn't show it' (Mids isn't official) and 'you don't think it's right' (despite having never tried it) then you would actually have a case.

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Well if you hadn't shouted "WRONG!" and just said 'no thats not correct and heres why' in a civil manor i would of paid more attention

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I think if you look at my posts you won't find any such shouting, and as far as I'm aware wrong means the same as not correct.

If you hadn't have presented incorrect facts as correct then I wouldn't have had to correct you.

And I have no idea why you are waffling on about large country houses.

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Thats the whole issue !.
There are no facts to prove or disprove it, all there is is second hand info and forum gossip not one single honest to god hard fact and you can do a forum search and whatever you want because its not mentioned anywhere.
That is the reason i wanted hard facts not hearsay and for it to be delieved in a civil manor none of this "omglol your wrong failboat!!oneone" childish remarks you so commonly see on those forums as i just ignore those remarks and the person making them.
You didn't bring any hard facts only forum gossip and a "i'm right" cocky attitude.

And to the OP sorry for hijacking the thread.

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That counts as extreme global bonuses in my book.

Also have you checked your Mid's database? I think that when I downloaded the update thing the rech was wrong... not sure though. I know I've had to do a lot of fiddling about. I think it was down as lower than it actually is.

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Well it must be about right as it's around 3 seconds off perma on Live.. lol

I've done some digging and the americans are saying to perm mindlink you need 120% recharge - for example 5 LotG,hasten and MT.
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showflat....=0#Post10990631

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I've done some digging and the americans are saying to perm mindlink you need 120% recharge - for example 5 LotG,hasten and MT.
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showflat....=0#Post10990631

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Are we still talking Widow's here?

That would be one way to do it, but its probably the most expensive way.

Def/Rech Set IOs do work. Try it for yourself. They are incredibly cheap because they are not usually very useful. I have slotted 5 of them and have hasten and MT. Perma mind link before my widow even reached lvl 30.

Of course, feel free to shell out about 500 mil on the Lotg method.

Random question on the topic of Night Widows - Follow Up for PvE DPS, Build Up for PvP burstyness? They appear to be mutually exclusive.

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Random question on the topic of Night Widows - Follow Up for PvE DPS, Build Up for PvP burstyness? They appear to be mutually exclusive.

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Pretty much, although you could also use BU for PvE burstyness if you're going for the stalkerish build (BU + heavy-hitter from Hide).

Hm. Well, in that case I figure I'll go the BU route, as I team with a friend in PvE but I'd like to try out PvP as well.

Are the Dart/Psi attacks any good in PvP or PvE for anything outside of runners? I realise the Darts do -regen, which is good against EBs and AVs, but are they worth taking for PvP? They don't seem to crit from Hide/Placate as it is, and I already have trouble fitting in Stamina and travel powers for VEATs due to them having so many nifty powers in primary/secondary pools. Just wondering if I'll miss out at all by skipping any of the 4 ranged attacks.