Neg Endurance Discount

Ok I did discuss this last night in game with a couple of people but I'll check here and get a large range of people.

Last night found me in game with my Empath, with the combat attributes being available I have endurance discount open on my screen at all times, guess I just like to see how Vigilance is working.

Occasionaly while playing I'd notice that the Endurance Discount would flash red and display -4.50%.

It only does it for a few seconds (about 2) but its still bugging me, surely, a - value in End Discount would refer to you using MORE end than usual.

I didnt have any powers that effect endurance active, at one point the only thing I had going was sprint.

Just wanted to check the rest of the Defender community, see if anyone else has been getting the same.

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Yup noticed it and /bugged it a while back. It seems to happen on all my defenders when they are teamed.

Edit:

I thought it might have been to do with +HP accolades and/or set bonuses but never got around to testing if that was the case.

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Octavian Vanguard
@ohmsEU and @ohms 2

Badging character: Bimble on the Union server, Badgehunter.com and City Info Tracker.

My set bonus would usualy be the 4th in the Doctored Wounds IO set so nothing would have affected my end, add that I was exemped and I didnt even have the bonus.

I have got the Atlas Medalion and the Freedon Phalanx Reserve, +5% end but even that is only a boost to end total, not end use.

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Endurance bonuses wouldn't affect Vigilance anyway. My thought was that any +HP accolades or set bonuses for anyone on the team might be causing the game to give you a negative endurance discount as the total HP of the team would be greater than the base HP of the team. But like I said, I never got around to testing it and probably never will.

Your best bet is to /bug it and leave it to the powers that be.

BTW, have you checked this on the test server to see if it still happens in i12?

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Octavian Vanguard
@ohmsEU and @ohms 2

Badging character: Bimble on the Union server, Badgehunter.com and City Info Tracker.

Never thought of the test server. may just need to check it out, and as for other members acolades, not happening there, 2 man team other guy level 27. (I was exemped)

I'll try test, though my pc has "issues" with test for some reason

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Would this not be down to +HP powers like Dull Pain?

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Again not an issue when I was on, unless my mate is a god among hackers, his blaster definitely didn't have dull pain.

Still not tried an I12 test on it, partly due to time.

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Just to point out Mids states Sprint uses end...

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I too have noticed this even when we're all standing outside a mission or just standing chatting or waiting on somoene who's afk. my end discount will occassionally flash up with a negative value.

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Defiant 50's
Many and varied!
@Miss Chief

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Just to point out Mids states Sprint uses end...

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We arnt debating "End Use"

theres a monitorable feed called "Endurance Discount" which shows overall affects on the endurance cost of your powers.

This should only ever show a positive value, i.e. our powers are cheaper, or a baseline of zero, since iirc nothing in game is capable of altering your overall endurance cost in a negative fashion

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I've noticed this on my Kinetic too. Definitely seems to be related to the Vigiliance inherent and how it calculates its discount as I only get the negative value when the whole team's at full HP.

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Vigilance, the only inherent that's sometimes actually worse than useless? Or it could be just the attributes monitor that's reporting the wrong figure which is not unheard of. /bug it when you have time and I'm sure we will get it fixed sooner or later.

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Octavian Vanguard
@ohmsEU and @ohms 2

Badging character: Bimble on the Union server, Badgehunter.com and City Info Tracker.

I wish people would stop knocking vigilance. I love it, it helps my TA/Pointy sticks do without stamina and still function. I can spam any attacks that i want and only have to use Conserve Power after I use Emp Arrow. Stop moaning or come up with something more constructive that's doable and not overpowered!

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Defiant 50's
Many and varied!
@Miss Chief

Sorry Miss Chief, but nobody is moaning...Ohm's comment, which could be construed as a "moan" is not, in context of the discussion, he's simply pointing out that it looks like Vigilance is, at times being worse than useless by providing a negative feed.

Perhaps he does think its eternally useless, maybe not, but in context of what we have all noticed looking at the feed, the comment is valid.

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