it is possible but you might have to sacrifice some slotting for end reduce
I think you should stick with stamina.
i agree
If you manage to not run out of endurance without Stamina during Power Sink's recharge there are two possibilities:
A. Your overall recharge bonus is through the roof.
B. You are too slow.
Pick yours.
If it has eyes, you can blind it, if it has blood, you can make it bleed, if it has a mouth, you can make it scream.
c: you have way too many end reducers in your powers
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If you manage to not run out of endurance without Stamina during Power Sink's recharge there are two possibilities:
A. Your overall recharge bonus is through the roof.
B. You are too slow.
Pick yours.
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You could at least try to be the tinyest bit polite? 
Also take a look at his SG lol. Don't think anyone would be scared to fight him in pvp if he was 'too slow'.
People are mean...
EDIT: He's specced in to his build, and it works. He's on only SOs atm, and as a result he now has tough. tbh if you don't know something you probably shouldn't venture a cynical guess. Oh no Mr. Wright, don't be such a stupid piece of poo, you'll never fly... that's just for the birds...
@Rooks
"You should come inside the box... Then you'll know what I mean."
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If you manage to not run out of endurance without Stamina during Power Sink's recharge there are two possibilities:
A. Your overall recharge bonus is through the roof.
B. You are too slow.
Pick yours.
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Is that the only 2 useful answers you can come up with?
well i still think you should stick with stamina nonetheless.
Was there something in the water in good ol' Britain today?
Phil asked for opinions of players who have experience with elec armour. I have experience with elec armour (and fire melee on top of that) and I gave my opinion and I think I made it quite clear that according to my opinion going staminaless with this power combination is no viable option for a decent player (which a slow brute is not) unless you have massive amounts of +recharge.
However, unlike others (it seems) I think that Phil is intelligent enough to be well aware that there are of course additional methods to cope with lack of endurance recovery, e.g. employing a pocket kin or three-slotting powers for endurance recovery. But somehow I feel that he would not seriously consider these "solutions".
So, what was so complicated about my post that you did not even get this simple point?
If it has eyes, you can blind it, if it has blood, you can make it bleed, if it has a mouth, you can make it scream.
I think that first of all the endurance cost of your attack chain + toggles has to be low enough to have you last past the recharge time of Powersink to get around stamina.
Work out a recyclable attack chain. Divide the total end cost of all attacks used, by the chain time. Then work out how much end recovery you will make off of a select number of targets (for PvP thats 1). Compare how much end loss over the recharge time of Powersink to how much Powersink recovers.
Sometimes to go staminaless it can take all 50 levels trying to remove the pain of it because you needed every single slot. Best to go on Test Server.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
I don't have experience with Fire/Elec but had the same idea for my EM/Fire brute. In the end I caved and took stamina (just 1 slot though). The differnce in playability was significant with consume becoming a top-up during long fights rather than a critical part of my attack chain.
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Was there something in the water in good ol' Britain today?
Phil asked for opinions of players who have experience with elec armour.
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And you gave him one of your usual sarcastic replies, now you just got a bit back, suck it up.
If he had wanted sarcasm not advice it would have said that.
So there was something in the water (or still is). Thanks for the clarification.
If it has eyes, you can blind it, if it has blood, you can make it bleed, if it has a mouth, you can make it scream.
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So there was something in the water (or still is). Thanks for the clarification.
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Noting wrong with british water thankyou infact its the best in the world ..... well better than in your country anyway.
As for no stamina i would say stick with it
Well after hearing all the negativity I tried a staminaless build on test and it seems to work fine. Basically now I'm more survivable so it works much better as a herding brute. Because fire melee is all about fire sword circle you want a nice big mob to maximise damage per end, and because of the herding time it gives power sink plenty of time to recharge. People also seem to be forgetting I got conserve power as well and with quickness and hasten is up approaching half the time. Not sure how my build would fair in larger teams but for 2 person missions it works well 
Thanks for the advice though.
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Hmmm, yes, I think herding times are a major factor in the equation. Larger teams mean shorter herding times, but then again, larger teams mean more potential support in the form of kinetics, rads etc. When I team I usually play in steamroller teams where herding would basically reduce xp/min in most situations, so my calculations don't include that much "breathing space" and are more likely to rather include worst-case-scenarios (eps-calculations for long fights like soloing AVs etc.).
So, if your endurance management is good enough for your playstyle now it will only become better once that toon is 50 and equipped with some IO sets.
I wish you the best of luck for that.
Oh, and before I forget @Shockwave: Are you sure? 
If it has eyes, you can blind it, if it has blood, you can make it bleed, if it has a mouth, you can make it scream.
i guess someone found it offensive.
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Well after hearing all the negativity I tried a staminaless build on test and it seems to work fine. Basically now I'm more survivable so it works much better as a herding brute. Because fire melee is all about fire sword circle you want a nice big mob to maximise damage per end, and because of the herding time it gives power sink plenty of time to recharge. People also seem to be forgetting I got conserve power as well and with quickness and hasten is up approaching half the time. Not sure how my build would fair in larger teams but for 2 person missions it works well Thanks for the advice though.
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If its good for 2 man teams (without end buffage) then the bigger the team the better it should be I think. Thats how my staminaless brutes work or will work some are; any less than 4 people = means too few mobs = worse DPE or potentially excessive herd times. The need to herd can be great for various other players and maximizing what they do with greater safety but you will always have someone with only their toon thinking only of whats best for them. Off and on with PuGs you maybe in some teams where the dynamics aren't too helpful. I mean sometimes there is even a fine line between you doing well or badly but that just means challenging so all good. A lot of people play scrapping brutes with stamina or are used to playing alongside them and sometimes to get the dynamics you are better off with you may say lets do this differently and work it out so you get the performance from your build. I think a staminaless */elec is probably easier than my staminaless dark/dark so you may have less problems than I come across.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
LMFAO STAMINALESS /DA
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
@Rooks
"You should come inside the box... Then you'll know what I mean."
staminaless /da now thats just wrong
A DA with Stamina and a DA with Dark Consumption thats hastened have roughly the same potential to recover endurance except one takes more skill than the other to play right, but the bigger the team the easier it gets. You wouldn't always notice stamina missing especially when you play to your build.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
My elec/elec brute has been without stamina for a long time now I have assault and tactics also I have not sloted for endurance anywere other then assault and tactics and its really not been a problem as long as im paying attention my endurance doesnt drop and I dont have to stop attacking.
Having said this if i had to exemp down to under level 30 for an SF or for that matter to anything under level 35 things suck a bit but at 50 its great
One thing to note is that I went stamina less before IOs and before i could use HOs but I am now using a few of them.
Must haves for stamina less are Power Sink, Conserve Power and Power Surge. Sometimes if i slip up and miss time something my endurance will drop or be close so going without stamina does require more attention but if this happens hit power surge as it gives a good endurance recovery boost and if your toggles just went down will hopefully keep you alive.
Another little note is that if you have aid self and you are very good with timing you can compleatly avoid the downside to power surge. Just as its about to drop hit power sink in the mob to get your endurnace back to full. hopefully power surge will have EMPd the mob around you (this happens more often if you slot some Acc in) and you can hit aid self and before they can attack again you are fully toggled and at full health. This works best if you have something like demonic or a few lucks for the moment before power surge goes down as any dot damage will kill you.
Having said all this all builds should probebly be tested out on the test server first and i cant account for fires endurance cost though I assume that it would more likely be lower then elec and it probebly isnt a good toon to be playing drunk/tired/other 
Hope this helps and good luck!
you are forgetting elecs/ end drain in attacks and accuracy in powersurge.........WHY!?
elecs/ end drain is a chance of per hit and does not so much affect your end bar as your targets.
accuracy in powersurge is because
A) with 3 sloted resist in your other armors 1 resist in power surge almost caps you out to all but toxic and psi. This leaves you space to place 2acc
B)If the EMP effect hits the npcs around you when it drops they stop attacking you and your chance to live through it goes up
Anyway this is just how I have it set up it may not suit everyones play style it may not be perfect but it beats running away if you ask me.
My Fire/Elec brute is approaching 37 and I've been thinking about respecing out stamina for tough and conserve power because of slotted powersink. Anyone got experience of this combo or elec brutes in general and if its possible? Cheers
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