Wow nice 
I've always seem DM as pretty gimped 
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I dont like it, DM/Elec rocks but going procs in attacks is a waste especially when you can permachain SP and Smite with no downtime and need nothing else in the chain, not even soul drain
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The advantage of the procs is they'll cause extra damage not limited by the Brute's Fury damage cap.
Plus when you're making 26 proc checks every 10 seconds, that adds up to a lot of bonus damage.
Its irrelevant how many proc checks you have running when SP+Smite alone makes DM/ the highest DPS brute around and will destroy anything standing in just a few clicks.
Its all just the wrong thing to be going for on the one set that got a full chain of 2 attacks . Proc herding is just a gimmick and requires messing up the most awesome chain in the game by throwing in [censored] like boxing, you cant beat SP+Smite+SP+Smite+SP+Smite+SP+Smite.
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I love my DM and do alot of damage from Soul Drain and the Aura alone from a group 10 defeat 10 at speed. Shadow maul and Sands of Mu on upto 4 at a time but barely ever less than 2 at a time. I often defeat 10 at a time and even have pics showing me alone with 10 defeated bodies pretty much fading out 'together'. So a good single target attack chain is therefore only useful to me when it comes to PVP, AVs, Heroes or an EB. I am a great believer in having and using attacks to fit the situational circumstances and so would still consider all primaries on offer. Fighting one at a time is definately a no go anyways.
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so how many did you defeat at a time?
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Its all just the wrong thing to be going for on the one set that got a full chain of 2 attacks . Proc herding is just a gimmick and requires messing up the most awesome chain in the game by throwing in [censored] like boxing, you cant beat SP+Smite+SP+Smite+SP+Smite+SP+Smite.
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Well then forgive me since this is the first time I've heard of the DPS DM brute idea. Both the proc and non-proc ideas sound like a pretty cool build idea to me. Do you have a copy of the build of the version you describe? I'd love to compare the differences with the one linked above.
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Its all just the wrong thing to be going for on the one set that got a full chain of 2 attacks . Proc herding is just a gimmick and requires messing up the most awesome chain in the game by throwing in [censored] like boxing, you cant beat SP+Smite+SP+Smite+SP+Smite+SP+Smite.
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Well then forgive me since this is the first time I've heard of the DPS DM brute idea. Both the proc and non-proc ideas sound like a pretty cool build idea to me. Do you have a copy of the build of the version you describe? I'd love to compare the differences with the one linked above.
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Sorry if I sounded rude, I dont mean to be, it just seems to be natural 
I will post what I have organised when I get back to the UK as Im out of the country at the moment but the 2 move combo of Smite+SP is great from the get go, Im running a scrapper version too (dm/regen)
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Its all just the wrong thing to be going for on the one set that got a full chain of 2 attacks . Proc herding is just a gimmick and requires messing up the most awesome chain in the game by throwing in [censored] like boxing, you cant beat SP+Smite+SP+Smite+SP+Smite+SP+Smite.
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But smite has a base recharge of 6sec if my info is correct, even with loads of recharge that would still not make this a seamless chain. I would have to do some counting but its quite possible that you would get more DPS simply by using Boxing as a filler.
The build above manages to get Smite down to a 0.9 second remaining recharge time after DP-Smite-DP, which is where the extra attacks fill in to make it seemless.
I probably is possible to improve it further though, but I'm not sure by how much off the top of my head.
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Its all just the wrong thing to be going for on the one set that got a full chain of 2 attacks . Proc herding is just a gimmick and requires messing up the most awesome chain in the game by throwing in [censored] like boxing, you cant beat SP+Smite+SP+Smite+SP+Smite+SP+Smite.
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But smite has a base recharge of 6sec if my info is correct, even with loads of recharge that would still not make this a seamless chain. I would have to do some counting but its quite possible that you would get more DPS simply by using Boxing as a filler.
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you can get smites recharge down to 1.6 seconds factoring in the animation (0.97) that gives a downtime of 0.63 seconds which is the animation of brawl and is fractionally longer than SP (0.57) So Smite+SP animations would eat up 1.54 seconds of the 1.6second recharge leaving a whopping 0.06 second downtime.
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Her shud have been a quote from the guy i am replying to
Ehh have you tryed that? because it seems that in my game the recharge time is from the attack is finished and not from the start and thet wut leave 1 sec down time.
Correct me if i am wrong.
Yeah thats how i always assumed it work, recharge starts after the attack is finished.
But now that i think about it im not sure where i got it from, luckily it aint that hard to test so gonna try it out later tonight.
no, the recharge starts from the time that you activate the power, hence elude and the other god mode recharges are from activation not deactivation this is how you can get eludes recharge down to 20 seconds and not 3minutes and 20 seconds. Otherwise TF would have a 23.3 second recharge time.
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Again in my game the recharge starts when the activation time is over. From the icon becomes small and distant. and how do you get elude down to 20 seconds wutent that take like more recharge time bonus than all the sets put togeather???
Please post the built you are refering to.
The recharge time in mids for elude is 1000 secs the casting is 2 secs and the duration is 180 secs if we disregard the activation time wicth i admit isent alot here you wut need +400% recharge to get the down time down to 20secs i assume that is with the help of several kinetics friends or a full radiation team.
It's impossible to get elude with less recharge than 333 seconds, due to recharge capping at 300%. (If I understand that correctly)
Also, the recharge starts after the cast time, which some call activation.
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It's impossible to get elude with less recharge than 333 seconds, due to recharge capping at 300%. (If I understand that correctly)
Also, the recharge starts after the cast time, which some call activation.
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400% is the cap iirc, which does give a 20 sec downtime (recharges in 200 secs) since the formula is base recharge / (1+ buff).
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Again in my game the recharge starts when the activation time is over. From the icon becomes small and distant. and how do you get elude down to 20 seconds wutent that take like more recharge time bonus than all the sets put togeather???
Please post the built you are refering to.
The recharge time in mids for elude is 1000 secs the casting is 2 secs and the duration is 180 secs if we disregard the activation time wicth i admit isent alot here you wut need +400% recharge to get the down time down to 20secs i assume that is with the help of several kinetics friends or a full radiation team.
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From a purely theoretical point of view I went to town on a build to get the god mode down to as little as possible and I can say that I managed to get elude down to a recharge downtime of 24(+) seconds, I dont beleive that it is possible to get it any lower without external buffs. The character in question was a DM/SR and did not use any external buffs but was dependant on Geas of the Kind Ones but as thats only a 60 second buff the recharge would be skewed and would probably give a downtime of more like 40 seconds in total over one recharge.
Realistically with a balls out +recharge build on one of the sets with +recharge built into it (SR/Elec) you are looking at a downtime of around 80 seconds in a none gimped build which really isnt too bad at all (260 recharge - 180 in elude)
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It's impossible to get elude with less recharge than 333 seconds, due to recharge capping at 300%. (If I understand that correctly)
Also, the recharge starts after the cast time, which some call activation.
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400% is the cap iirc, which does give a 20 sec downtime (recharges in 200 secs) since the formula is base recharge / (1+ buff).
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ok sounds good but have you done the attack chain of SP+smite+SP+smite...as we were talking about??? becauce i just tryed out putting 3 recharge reduction in My SS tankers Jab and that put the recharge time lower than the animation 1,02 vs. 1,07 and witout doubt he wasent jabbing all the time. So with that experiment as agument i wut say thet the SP+smite+SP+smite attack chain dient happen and something like boxing wut fit rigth in.
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ok sounds good but have you done the attack chain of SP+smite+SP+smite...as we were talking about??? becauce i just tryed out putting 3 recharge reduction in My SS tankers Jab and that put the recharge time lower than the animation 1,02 vs. 1,07 and witout doubt he wasent jabbing all the time. So with that experiment as agument i wut say thet the SP+smite+SP+smite attack chain dient happen and something like boxing wut fit rigth in.
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No I have been in the Ukraine for a month and havent been able to play the game, all theoretical atm 
Though I have seen posts on the US forums of people just running SP and Smite
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Well welcome back if you are. Whut you mind linking to the US posts because i am not really making the seach funtion work.
I found this thread while browsing the US forums and wanted to share.
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It sounds like a pretty mean build.