Bitter freeze ray has a very annoying casting time wich roots you for about 2-3seconds. (animation from TB of elec).
I cant see the set bonus you getting on +recharge (no mid builder here), but outside hasten BR needs 2 SO to get perma.
If you not intent to go use PFF alot (ok.. its pvp) you might look at the ice epic. They have the -50% move/recharge toggle power from Storm and 30 seconds hibernate 
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Bitter freeze ray has a very annoying casting time wich roots you for about 2-3seconds. (animation from TB of elec).
I cant see the set bonus you getting on +recharge (no mid builder here), but outside hasten BR needs 2 SO to get perma.
If you not intent to go use PFF alot (ok.. its pvp) you might look at the ice epic. They have the -50% move/recharge toggle power from Storm and 30 seconds hibernate
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Is impossible to fit them in and keep the 160% builder gives.
Hasten is at 123 seconds (3 seconds downtime) and Poiwer Boost at 16sec (1 seconds downtime).
I could exchange the BTB with Freeze ray tho since is same type of bonus i can get.
I really dont know ice and energy sets so if i am missing useful powers all advice welcome.
I would have loved to slot FON in there but its really hard considering the need of LoTG +rchrg i need.Getting FON would mean gimping my self with stealth pool to fit at least 2-3 LOTG and another 2 from CJ and maneuvers
for pvp dont take either freeze ray or bitter freeze ray
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i see thanks for the advice 
Freeze ray has faster casting, faster recharge, lower end. Overall very nice and alot better then BFR. With such ammount of recharge its quite easy to stack this twice (BP gives 100% extra hold).
The 160%, you refer to total recharge on a power? (aka 90% ED + 70% on setbonus?) I'm working on recharge on my granite and i'm getting stuck on 56% atm (and lack serious ammount of inf).
I have to pop the mid designer to see your exact build. Based on your chains, you likely to go alot melee, though you still be able to drop Energy Punch and replace by stun (100% mag3 stun iirc). (TF->Bonesmash->BIB->IB->stun->again)
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Freeze ray has faster casting, faster recharge, lower end. Overall very nice and alot better then BFR. With such ammount of recharge its quite easy to stack this twice (BP gives 100% extra hold).
The 160%, you refer to total recharge on a power? (aka 90% ED + 70% on setbonus?) I'm working on recharge on my granite and i'm getting stuck on 56% atm (and lack serious ammount of inf).
I have to pop the mid designer to see your exact build. Based on your chains, you likely to go alot melee, though you still be able to drop Energy Punch and replace by stun (100% mag3 stun iirc). (TF->Bonesmash->BIB->IB->stun->again)
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I can play the build around by switching freeze ray for stun without changing slots and keeping the 6.25 bonus from stun set so still maintaining the x5 stack.Or energy punch.
Erm, no.
Just... just, no.
god dammit TG, thats close to the worst PpP build in the history of man.
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god dammit TG, thats close to the worst PpP build in the history of man.
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And 90% of the powers are exactly the same as the 'best pvp build'.
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god dammit TG, thats close to the worst PpP build in the history of man.
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And 90% of the powers are exactly the same as the 'best pvp build'.
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No.
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god dammit TG, thats close to the worst PpP build in the history of man.
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And 90% of the powers are exactly the same as the 'best pvp build'.
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No.
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Would glady see the exact numbers then, too many basic powers in a ice/nrg and its pools. Then again, he has a reason of making this build this way, perhaps it will perform better then 'the best'.
But so.. what does that actualy help Greek?
Oh wait, lemme think.. the 'best pvp build' is uber confidential, nobody allowed to know that.
sence the sarsasm?
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god dammit TG, thats close to the worst PpP build in the history of man.
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well thats all good and such since i already explained i have no experience whatsoever with ice and energy (well most blaster sets in general) so advice always welcome The fact is i am definitely going to try a recharge build for PvP but would like any advice on the powers etc
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Erm, no.
Just... just, no.
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Yeah ok thats not really helpful u know 
so just add a few more sentences reasoning this denial.
Its all well and good to have a build with IO's in mind but you cant let it comprimise it. The thing that makes Ice so good is its fast acting ranged attack chain of BiB -> Ice Blast -> Ice Bolt so you really need those three, even if you dont want a more conventional build for the rest of it.
thePhilosopher Martial Arts/Regen/Fire Scrapper
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Total Inertia Ice Blast/Kinetics/Psy Corruptor
Total Inferno Ice Blast/Thermal/Leviathan Corruptor
Pwnage build yo
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Just... just, no.
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OK sure.
Seriously. No. Just. No.
Straight off the bat, you have incredibly bad burst damage. And as far as your DPS goes, the amount of attack chains you will have to use to drop enough, is scary. You have bad movement, so you can easily be kited to death, your Slows won't don't jack against that, so think again.
The fact that you're going for a pure recharge build is surprising (Though not that much from you ), pure recharge builds can seem good, especially if you remember the ol' Perma Hasten days, but the thing most people forget, and what I think you've forgotten, is that a Perma Hasten build of old didn't compromise on Damage. This build does, horribly so, in my opinion.
If you are set on this Build, I really hope you get it done, and when you do, I demand a PvP fight.
hey TG
um making an ice/nrg eh xD dont get enough pvp action on talin? lol
anyways.. im just wondering.. any reason why you are not including aid self in your build? i would have thought aid self wud be nice with PFF for the times when you find yurself on your own in pvp..
fact u havent added is means i am assuming that your gonna be in a team in pvp i just figure maybe taking 2 powers out and picking up aid self heck u cud even take out tactics and get someone yur gonna team with u pick it up :P
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Its all well and good to have a build with IO's in mind but you cant let it comprimise it. The thing that makes Ice so good is its fast acting ranged attack chain of BiB -> Ice Blast -> Ice Bolt so you really need those three, even if you dont want a more conventional build for the rest of it.
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I see.Good advice will rework it a bit.Thanks for the info
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Erm, no.
Just... just, no.
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OK sure.
Seriously. No. Just. No.
Straight off the bat, you have incredibly bad burst damage. And as far as your DPS goes, the amount of attack chains you will have to use to drop enough, is scary. You have bad movement, so you can easily be kited to death, your Slows won't don't jack against that, so think again.
The fact that you're going for a pure recharge build is surprising (Though not that much from you ), pure recharge builds can seem good, especially if you remember the ol' Perma Hasten days, but the thing most people forget, and what I think you've forgotten, is that a Perma Hasten build of old didn't compromise on Damage. This build does, horribly so, in my opinion.
If you are set on this Build, I really hope you get it done, and when you do, I demand a PvP fight.
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Now THIS was helpful thanks reworking already.At 50 you can help me test what i come up with
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hey TG
um making an ice/nrg eh xD dont get enough pvp action on talin? lol
anyways.. im just wondering.. any reason why you are not including aid self in your build? i would have thought aid self wud be nice with PFF for the times when you find yurself on your own in pvp..
fact u havent added is means i am assuming that your gonna be in a team in pvp i just figure maybe taking 2 powers out and picking up aid self heck u cud even take out tactics and get someone yur gonna team with u pick it up :P
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hey TG
um making an ice/nrg eh xD dont get enough pvp action on talin? lol
anyways.. im just wondering.. any reason why you are not including aid self in your build? i would have thought aid self wud be nice with PFF for the times when you find yurself on your own in pvp..
fact u havent added is means i am assuming that your gonna be in a team in pvp i just figure maybe taking 2 powers out and picking up aid self heck u cud even take out tactics and get someone yur gonna team with u pick it up :P
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Lu!?
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yeah that cheeky Lu is lurking around muahahaha!
Oh, and you're doing the same thing I was doing in my Mind/Kin build.
Don't concentrate so much on set bonuses. Slot the normal way first, then try and see what sets you can fit in without compromising the key effects of your powers.
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Oh, and you're doing the same thing I was doing in my Mind/Kin build.
Don't concentrate so much on set bonuses. Slot the normal way first, then try and see what sets you can fit in without compromising the key effects of your powers.
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yeah reworked the build again think i am coming up with what i want and what is viable.Will see how it ends up since i got the influence lined up for the build.Just need the level 50...gogo DXP weekend!
What you need if you wanna PvP:
From Primary - Ice bolt, Ice blast, bitter ice blast and Aim
From Secoundary - bonesmasher, total focus, boost range, build up.
The rest of your power slots are used for min/maxing.
Min/maxing for duels Aid self, power boost, unsuppresed movement (cj and hurdle), fast suppressed movement (SJ and SS), acrobatics and stamina. Either you take snowstorm, the ice shield and hibernate OR you take force of nature, temp. invu and the bubble. The rest of the powers you take, are pretty much up to you. There is perhaps a power or 2 left, Im not counting.
min/maxing for teams Assault from the leadership pool (taunt resistance), unsuppressed movement (CJ and hurdle), fast suppressed movent (SJ and SS). The rest of the power choice are set by your team, heck you can even roll without stamina presuming you 2 kins on the team.
When a PD's make his/her build, he/she makes it after the setting where you are most likely to find him/her. Captain Freon has a duel build on live, Frozen Electrum has a team build on live.
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Ok this is the build i am toying with for the blaster i ll be levelling on Union for DXP weekend.
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Any comments please welcome.
NOTE: The order of powers etc is not important this toon will be used exclusively at level 50.
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Level 50 Mutation Blaster
Primary Power Set: Ice Blast
Secondary Power Set: Energy Manipulation
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Leaping
Ancillary Pool: Force Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Ice Blast -- Decim-Build%(A), Decim-Acc/Dmg(3), Decim-Dmg/Rchg(3), Decim-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(5), Decim-Dmg/EndRdx(5)
Level 1: Power Thrust -- C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg(A), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx(29), C'ngImp-Dmg/Rchg(29), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(31), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(31)
Level 2: Energy Punch -- Stpfy-Acc/Rchg(A), Stpfy-Acc/Stun/Rchg(25), Stpfy-EndRdx/Stun(25), Stpfy-Acc/EndRdx(27), Stpfy-Stun/Rng(27)
Level 4: Build Up -- HO:Membr(A), HO:Membr(15), HO:Membr(15)
Level 6: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(7), RechRdx-I(7), RechRdx-I(36)
Level 8: Aim -- HO:Membr(A), HO:Membr(9), HO:Membr(9)
Level 10: Bone Smasher -- C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg(A), C'ngImp-Dmg/Rchg(11), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx(11), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(13), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(13)
Level 12: Swift -- Run-I(A), Run-I(43)
Level 14: Super Speed -- Clrty-Stlth(A)
Level 16: Conserve Power -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(17), RechRdx-I(17)
Level 18: Bitter Ice Blast -- Decim-Acc/Dmg(A), Decim-Dmg/Rchg(19), Decim-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(19), Decim-Dmg/EndRdx(21), Decim-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(21)
Level 20: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 22: Stamina -- EndMod-I(A), EndMod-I(23), EndMod-I(23)
Level 24: Maneuvers -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx(46), RedFtn-Def/Rchg(46), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(46), RedFtn-Def(50), RedFtn-EndRdx(50)
Level 26: Bitter Freeze Ray -- Decim-Acc/Dmg(A), Decim-Dmg/EndRdx(37), Decim-Dmg/Rchg(39), Decim-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(39), Decim-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(39)
Level 28: Power Boost -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(31), RechRdx-I(33), RechRdx-I(37)
Level 30: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), Ksmt-ToHit+(34), Krma-ResKB(36), ULeap-EndRdx(36), ULeap-Jump(37)
Level 32: Blizzard -- Posi-Dam%(A), Posi-Dmg/Rng(33), Posi-Acc/Dmg(33), Posi-Dmg/EndRdx(34), Posi-Dmg/Rchg(34)
Level 35: Tactics -- HO:Cyto(A), HO:Cyto(43), HO:Cyto(45)
Level 38: Total Focus -- C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg(A), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx(40), C'ngImp-Dmg/Rchg(40), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(40), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(42)
Level 41: Ice Storm -- TmpRdns-Acc/Slow(A), TmpRdns-Dmg/Slow(42), TmpRdns-EndRdx/Rchg/Slow(42), TmpRdns-Acc/EndRdx(43), TmpRdns-Acc/Dmg/Slow(48)
Level 44: Personal Force Field -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx(45), RedFtn-Def/Rchg(45), RedFtn-EndRdx/Rchg(48), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(48), RedFtn-Def(50)
Level 47: Vengeance -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 49: Boost Range -- RechRdx-I(A)
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Level 1: Defiance
Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
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Concept of the build:
Mainly PvP fun i guess in RV and some Arena fights.
Concept is Perma Power Boost and Boost Range plus near perma hasten combined with Aim and Build up Cycle covering each other