dont lecture me plight, it boils down to this.
YOU do not run the ame , YOU do not own the channel, YOU are NOT paid to be in support therefore CANNOT tell people, "oi u no"
as ive said elsewhere get bridger or one of his associaites to lay down the ground rules, AND!! enforce them and bham, its done, not this longwinded must sent tells to people via global, seriously not on.
and this cack about disregard....bull. I dont pay for this game so that other players, who ironically are at the same lvl (i.e. smae rank aka paying same amount etc, if your following) can go around throwing they're weight.
Bridger, ya need to settle it once and for all, you are teh boss and we would as a majority coincide with what u want, but suggestioons for this on a whole dont seem to have made an effect.
and as ive read in other posts, it wont stop, and it shouldnt cuz theres no incentive from support to do so, and as ive said if there is then, maybe JUST MAYBE something might change.
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1st, global channel is a global channel and subject to the 5-channel limit of global channels. I am not a member of Global because of that reason.
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But IIRC correctly you had to leave that channel, because by default you belong to it. And any channel for Off-topicness will have the same problem, that is my point.
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2nd, there is a global channel for random stuff, asking help, etc. It is called Forumites.
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Never heard of it. I've been away from the forums, only checked because of this thread.
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The option is there for players to make serverwise channels and I am not being totally ignorant when I ask people not to chat in arena, I am directing them to /help for help and "global" for general chat.
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The Global is a global channel and goes in the 5-channel rule. Which do not solve the problem. And as far as I know you can't make a server-wise, you can only make globals.
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although when there are people in a channel to be nothing but off topic that is the ingame equivalent of trolling.
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And smacking down people threating with petitions is grief and makes some people really [censored] of it. The way this whole mez is been dealt shows this. Tyl said it pretty well about the need for Bridger to set ground rules on this.
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I'd just like to see a day where you could put arena in your main bottom chat tab and not have the tab rammed with rubbish with absolutely no chance of getting any arena related content sent to it. This is why many of the PvPers stopped reading Arena full time, or at all in some cases.
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And I would like a channel to warn everyone on the server that a given event will happen. And not bother the rest that is playing on any of the other 4 servers with it. And right now we have /ac for it. For both of the groups.
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The solution is not just "I'm using Arena 'cos I can", that will just lead to wasted time for the GMs who tbh prolly have better things to do.
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Nor is "I will petition you because I disagree". Not everyone use arena 'cos they can. Some use it because it is what we have to use.
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EDIT: "/send arena" does nothing and "arena" is not a default global channel sorry
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And that is quite strange, because all my chars are on the "arena" global, and I didn't add it to my account. Didn't you remove it from your list?
I find it a bit specious Plight that your citing Arena Channel spam as a reason PvP hasnt taken off in the EU as much as it has in Korea and the US.
Surely its got more to do with the low server population and the imbalances rather than people arranging GM hunts and using to many vowels on Arena. Arena is spammy, in fact this discussion has made it more spammy, people are just saying annoying things now because they know they will get a reaction which speaks volumes about some of the people that use the AC.
the whole subject was probably best left alone.
I have to say that I agree with both sides of this dispute.
Sure Arena is for pvp chat but threatening people with petitions etc isnt the way to go about changing things. At the end of the day, as said somewhere above, everybody pays to play this game and, quite frankly, can chat about what they want where they want and starting up this issue would just make people more likely to chat nonsense as nothing infuriates people more , than someone who isnt in authority trying to lay it down.
If anything, what could be putting people off of pvp, may be the attitudes of some people gradually draining any semblance of fun they may have out of it.
At the end of the day, if you dont like it, dont read it, or just reply to what u want to.
Personally, endlessly listening to people telling other people what they can and cant do all night as in the other night, is far more irritating.
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as ive said elsewhere get bridger or one of his associaites to lay down the ground rules, AND!! enforce them and bham, its done, not this longwinded must sent tells to people via global, seriously not on.
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I'm pretty sure that in the past Bridger has said that the arena channel is for arena chat. And the GM's have warned people not to spam it before.
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At the end of the day, as said somewhere above, everybody pays to play this game and, quite frankly, can chat about what they want where they want
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Not really, no. Everybody pays to play this game, and everybody has to follow the rules.
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At the end of the day, as said somewhere above, everybody pays to play this game and, quite frankly, can chat about what they want where they want .
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I would like to stay out of this topic as it has been discussed before, but you are wrong there. We do not have the right to chat whatever we like just because we pay for this, we need to follow the rules set by the party offering us this service. Rules such as the EULA and the code of conduct. If we don't follow the rules they have the right to kick us out and refuse to take our money.
Bridger did post a long time ago that Arena chat is for pvp and we should petition people who don't follow the rules. It was almost a year ago though. (Note: petitioning isnt a punishment, the moderators decide whether someone has been wrongdoing and lay out the punishments accordingly. Petition means simply that the mods look at the issue.)
I think the mods have been very lenient about watching over the arena channel so far, just because lot of PvPers talk l33t and such. As long as they talk PvP, all is fine. If someone decides there is an issue to be solved then mods will look into it eventually. I guarantee it.
All that is asked is people to behave reasonably, and I don't see that is wrong. The "sod off, Im doing this cause I can and until someone kicks me out" mentality isnt helping anybody.
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I would like to stay out of this topic as it has been discussed before, but you are wrong there. We do not have the right to chat whatever we like just because we pay for this, we need to follow the rules set by the party offering us this service.
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not saying that, what i mean is UNTIL someone actually makes a stick on here, OR enforces the 'said' rules to arena in solid concrete etc; the chatting NOT spamming (in majority) wont end.
and for someone such as plight to lecture about spamming (which i STILL dont do) example below:
i say night on arena, BHAM global msg "plz dont"
then when u go against te almight holyier thn thou person, its lets use a macro with 5-6 lines of "what i want" in arena, hypocritical? think so.
i'l say it again, Bridger needs to lock with topic and the other, address this in announcements, AND have chats with cryptic to :
#1 remove arean as an addable tab OUTSIDE of the arena instance OR erminal areas
#2 make (as others suggested) a global pvp channel, removing arena
#3 just sommert to make all happy that wouldnt take time away from sy Issue8 or anything the devs may be doing in the meantime, i.e. something that'd require nxt to no coding time.
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All that is asked is people to behave reasonably, and I don't see that is wrong. The "sod off, Im doing this cause I can and until someone kicks me out" mentality isnt helping anybody.
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And that we are, except we are NOT gonna ahve another player tell us what to do, GM: then fine, but until that happens, IF it does, then no; I and many others shouldn't have to stop chatting on there. Like MaX said earlier, or on another post,people anounce stoof there, sometimes ask for help, or teams etc; and like zomgz, saying night is frowned upon?! sheeesh >.<
First, I agree (and have long thought) that the Arena channel is problematic. We have discussed this internally in the past, and I will bring it up again with Cryptic and the US team to see what the current thinking is.
Until I hear any differently, though, the same rules apply that I have mentioned before. Namely, that the Arena channel is intended for finding and arranging Arena matches (the clue is in the name). Any other discussion (and that would include discussions about PvP in general or the PvP zones) is 'off topic' and should not take place on the Arena channel.
There are many chat channels in the game that are far better suited to other topics, and do not involve imposing your discussions on the entire population of the server or preventing people from using Arena for its intended purpose.
Please use the in-game chat channels responsibly, and with consideration for your fellow players.
finally ta B, BUT how long ou think it'll take for the US team etc to come up with a solution?
as i cant see it being a major big prob removing it for a global one or renaming it to a server wide one and adding a specific harder to type channel called, ah dunno, pvp or sommert, or keeping arena name and changing as earlier said by someone to server or something ?
Thank you for posting Bridger.
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not saying that, what i mean is UNTIL someone actually makes a stick on here, OR enforces the 'said' rules to arena in solid concrete etc; the chatting NOT spamming (in majority) wont end.
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First, spamming is forbidden on ANY channel by code of conduct. Second, did it occur to you that a channel named "arena" might actually be meant for finding arena matches?
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#1 remove arean as an addable tab OUTSIDE of the arena instance OR erminal areas
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No. I use arenachat for finding arena matches when Im NOT in actual arena twiddling my fingers. IF I get a match I spend a whole lotta 1 minute getting to arena in that case.
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#2 make (as others suggested) a global pvp channel, removing arena
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No. Global arena channel is pretty pointless since inter-server PvP is basically not possible (if you don't count test server). And it would be one more channel to go against the 5-global channel limit. It makes a whole lot more sense introducing "server" channel (that is server-specific, not global) for general chat.
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There are many chat channels in the game that are far better suited to other topics, and do not involve imposing your discussions on the entire population of the server or preventing people from using Arena for its intended purpose.
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There are better channels, but while people can only join five of them they'll remain under-populated and under-used.
The continuing problem with Arena is in a large part just a symptom of the underlying problem. There's an obvious need for either a 'general' server-wide channel for any 'general' chat, and/or the five global channel limit to be raised or removed.
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finally ta B
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I have posted the same thing several times in the past, but I appreciate that the last time was a while ago. 
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BUT how long ou think it'll take for the US team etc to come up with a solution?
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I honestly don't know, and I don't know if there is a solution that everyone will like. As I said, I'll bring it up as a topic for discussion and see what the response is.
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as i cant see it being a major big prob removing it for a global one or renaming it to a server wide one and adding a specific harder to type channel called, ah dunno, pvp or sommert, or keeping arena name and changing as earlier said by someone to server or something ?
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In all honesty, I very much doubt that a server-wide, non-Global Chat channel for 'general chat' will ever be added to the game. Such channels just tend to fill people's chat windows with text that they're not interested in, which they either ignore or remove from their chat windows (which rather defeats the point).
The Global Chat system is intended to allow people to chat across zones and even servers without imposing their conversations on players who don't share the same interests or concerns.
I appreciate that the five channel limit can be a problem for some people, but I'm afraid I don't quite see how five Global channels is not enough to replace one server-wide channel.
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First, spamming is forbidden on ANY channel by code of conduct. Second, did it occur to you that a channel named "arena" might actually be meant for finding arena matches?
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again u aint reading what i am saying, nowhere did i say spamming is acceptable in any way shape or form what i DID say was that i ersonally dont spam i chat, BIG BIG BIG difference.
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No. I use arenachat for finding arena matches when Im NOT in actual arena twiddling my fingers. IF I get a match I spend a whole lotta 1 minute getting to arena in that case.
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surely if u want a match and what i said got implemented (hypothetically speaking ofc) then staying in arena for an arena battle isnt exactly a stupid thing now is it, u want afight, stay there and wait otherwise u dont get.
and to B, ye ca understand it'd be difficult, but surely anything can be better than this partial-ending up-going-to-be-a-flame-post thread.
on a didfferent note, the report to mod button has finally appeared on my screen!!!!!
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I appreciate that the five channel limit can be a problem for some people, but I'm afraid I don't quite see how five Global channels is not enough to replace one server-wide channel.
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Because they're fundamentally different? A server-wide channel is one that everyone on a server can be on. It's also one that, depending on how it's set up, people may be on unless they opt out of it.
Whereas a global channel is one that has to be opted into, and one that only those who have a spare channel out of their five available can actually join.
Consequently, one of them has a much higher audience than the other and is much more effective for many uses.
The problem is the five channel limit though. In principle, a global server channel could be better than a server-wide channel, since players alting on another server could still be on the channel and switch if events of interest to them were occurring. But not with the five channel limit. Five is a ridiculously low limit when you consider the possible combinations of different servers, different sides, and different purposes.
Okay, had another read through of this thread and there's a couple of other things I should have mentioned in my previous posts (sorry, Monday morning syndrome).
First, I completely understand how frustrating it is for people who wish to use the Arena channel for its intended purpose to find it awash with off-topic conversations and spam. I also appreciate the efforts that some people take to try to explain to people, either in-game on the channel or here on the boards, what the channel is intended for.
However, please try to limit yourselves to politely requesting that people take off-topic conversations and other matters to a more appropriate channel. If they become abusive or unpleasant, please report their behaviour with /petition and use /ignore to avoid anuy further problems.
I would like to discourage any attempts to 'take the law into your own hands'. They frequently backfire, rarely have a positive outcome, and may (depending on exactly what you do) result in disciplinary action being taken against you by the GMs.
So ask politely, /petition if this results in any unpleasantness, use /ignore. (Which, by the way, is a good general rule of thumb for any situation involving another player doing something that you'd rather they didn't.)
Finally, I'm concerned by the amount of bickering that is developing in this thread. If it doesn't stop, I'll have no choice but to lock or remove the entire thing, so please be civil to each other.
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In all honesty, I very much doubt that a server-wide, non-Global Chat channel for 'general chat' will ever be added to the game. Such channels just tend to fill people's chat windows with text that they're not interested in, which they either ignore or remove from their chat windows (which rather defeats the point).
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When I say 'general chat', I mean like a server-wide broadcast channel - for general things like LFT, arranging taskforces, GM spottings, etc. - i.e. all the 'general' stuff that Arena is being used for but shouldn't be. It's always surprised me that such a channel doesn't exist.
Even if it became busy so people who weren't interested in it removed it or ignored it, it still wouldn't defeat the point - namely, that people have a place that everyone can access to put such stuff if they want to. If they started using Arena instead, the argument that "the right place is too busy" is far weaker than the argument that "I can't even join the right place and no-one is there anyway", so consequently it's going to be much less of a problem.
But not having the five channel limit would still be a much better solution.
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why don't the PvP crowd use the Global Arena Chat which everyone is a member by default
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Because the Arena channel is there for Arena/PvP releated chat?
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The same goes for the Global channel. My point is that the PvPers already have a global for that, the off-topicers(by lack of better word) do not have one. It is not fair with any of the groups to be trown out of the only good server-wide channel.
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2nd, there is a global channel for random stuff, asking help, etc. It is called Forumites.
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I am assuming the above comment is in fact a joke, am i correct?
Under no circumstance do I, or would I ever consider myself a 'forumite'.
I may post here and there on these boards, but that is because as a consumer of the game CoX, and considering how what is posted on these (the Official EU Message Boards) boards sometimes have a direct effect on the outcome of the game and it's systems, i want to ensure that my voice and my oppinions are heard.
We all exist within 'in and out' groups, it's part of being human. Us vs them. As such as an observer of the message boards for nearly a year now i have seen that these pages themselves have also become another example of 'in and out' groups. After all it's human nature to do such. The label 'forumite' is all part of this. It's classic tribal mentality, something that no matter how hard we fight we can never loose.
As such to suggest that someone who is not a member of said group, who does not team with or talk to said group, joins their 'private and unofficial' channel is increadable.
If i wanted to talk in game about general information, there is no way i would want to join a channel that is moderated and run by an unofficial (i am assuming this is the case), especially as it will have (as is the case with all private channels) it's own rules and terms of conduct.
While this may sound like an attack on the channel and it's users, that is not the intent. It is mearly a statement of observation and reason as to why the suggestion of using said channel for anyone to talk chit-chat on is not in reality one that many would be happy about.
We all live in exclusive clubs. Not everyone wants to be in each other's club.
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After reading Bridger's above post. If this post seems like bickering, then I appologise in advance
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Namely, that the Arena channel is intended for finding and arranging Arena matches (the clue is in the name). Any other discussion (and that would include discussions about PvP in general or the PvP zones) is 'off topic' and should not take place on the Arena channel.
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Thanks Bridger, its good to have some clarification.
Must admit to having a small smile though, as this means that those complaining about others chatting on Arena, have actually shot themselves in the foot as the channel is not for pvp chat etc either, just arranging matches
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Namely, that the Arena channel is intended for finding and arranging Arena matches (the clue is in the name). Any other discussion (and that would include discussions about PvP in general or the PvP zones) is 'off topic' and should not take place on the Arena channel.
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Thanks Bridger, its good to have some clarification.
Must admit to having a small smile though, as this means that those complaining about others chatting on Arena, have actually shot themselves in the foot as the channel is not for pvp chat etc either, just arranging matches
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Yes, another basic rule of thumb is that if what you want to say or talk about is only aimed at a specific person or small group of people, you shouldn't use a broadcast channel for it.
To use the Arena channel as an example, it's fine to post something like 'Level 40 Scrapper looking for Arena opponents'.
If, after the match, you want to discuss the match with the person you fought, you should do so rather a non-broadcast channel such as Local, Tell, Team, SG or a Global channel (depending on who and how many people you're talking to).
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As such to suggest that someone who is not a member of said group, who does not team with or talk to said group, joins their 'private and unofficial' channel is increadable.
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The Forumites channel is A.) Not private, you want to join, you join. B.) Still under all the rules of the game and the EULA
There's people in the channel, that I will admit, if they weren't there, I wouldn't be talking to them in-game, as I don't team with them or know them that well.
The channel is there for everyone to use, and is not a clique, a group, a tribal mentality of people, it is simply a channel for people to talk in.
We've had people in there a couple of times who've never even posted on the forums, the name is just a name it started off with, no more and no less.
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As such to suggest that someone who is not a member of said group, who does not team with or talk to said group, joins their 'private and unofficial' channel is increadable.
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The Forumites channel is A.) Not private, you want to join, you join. B.) Still under all the rules of the game and the EULA
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I say it is a private channel, because it is not one that everyone is automatically a member of. (unlike help, global etc).
And the irony about it not being a "clique, a group, a tribal mentality of people" is that such a thing is impossible. Every 'group' and in turn channel that is ever created is always done for an 'in' group. Take the many channels created by and for SGs. it is for that SG. they are the IN group, all others who can't read it are part of the OUT group. Plus by simply giving it a name that designates a group of people, it is stating that it is a channel for the forumites. If however it was called the General Discussion Channel, that would be a different matter. But that is not it's name
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As such to suggest that someone who is not a member of said group, who does not team with or talk to said group, joins their 'private and unofficial' channel is increadable.
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The Forumites channel is A.) Not private, you want to join, you join. B.) Still under all the rules of the game and the EULA
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I say it is a private channel, because it is not one that everyone is automatically a member of. (unlike help, global etc).
And the irony about it not being a "clique, a group, a tribal mentality of people" is that such a thing is impossible. Every 'group' and in turn channel that is ever created is always done for an 'in' group. Take the many channels created by and for SGs. it is for that SG. they are the IN group, all others who can't read it are part of the OUT group. Plus by simply giving it a name that designates a group of people, it is stating that it is a channel for the forumites. If however it was called the General Discussion Channel, that would be a different matter. But that is not it's name
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An SG channel is an entirely different matter though, it is *designed* to be for a small group of people, that's its innate purpose. I can quite easily say Arena Chat itself is a clique, as I don't read it, but I know that it's not. The Forumites name, as I said, is a name, it should probably have a heading of 'General Discussion Channel' as that's basically all it is, people pop on, ask for teams, GM hunts etc. and have informal chats.
And anybody can do so just by joining the channel, it's not a 'private' channel by means of the in-game system. You don't need to be invited in like the actual private channels.
Anyhows, I'll move this conversation to a thread in General Discussion, as it's trailing off the debate over the Arena Chat.
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Arena channel is the channel with the best server-wide coverage (apart for help, which REALLY should be kept for it's only purpose), and personally, I will continue using it as a server wide announcement channel if I need to, as well as reply to people who ask questions there, as long as I get banned from the game for doing so, or we get a proper server-wide channel.
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Before anyone turns around and tells me I have not had to take any grief over this i suggest you note that people in the OotCS have variously been kicked from the SG over it and had chat bans to arena from the mods, so dont think i am trying to be selfish or untouchable before anyone starts waving fingers at me. ONe rule for all is pretty fair
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