I'd rather put recharges on Hibernate instead of Heals since you can keep the taunt effect for quite a while even when your hibernating. As for EPP I would go for Ice Mastery. More than just for concept, Ice Patch+CE+IceStorm is a great combo imo. You also should consider putting 1-2 taunts on CE just to make sure you can keep some aggro while hibernating.
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ok cheers dude, will do, and yeah i really wanted to go all ice anyway, its just that i wasnt too sure, but yeah, ill go for it now 
* Don't slot Frozen Fists. It sucks and it's a waste of slots. Those slots can be used much better elsewhere
* What's the point of getting Freezing Touch? You're a Tank. A melee range single target hold doesn't help you at all, especially the way you've slotted it right now. Your other powers give you much better control options. Ice Patch + Taunt + Chilling Embrace will give you great control over multiple enemies, so dropping single target holds on stuff, just doesn't help.
* Put some more slots on Chilling Embrace. Taunt durations are great to have. Some people like to slot it with slow.
* Don't slot Combat Jumping with Defense Buffs. It's a miniscule buff at best, so you won't notice any difference from enhancing it. Slot this with Jump Enhancements instead.
* 3 slot Ice Patch for recharge. It's the best power in your secondary. You want to drop as many of those patches as possible.
* Slot Hibernate with 3 recharge first and then, if you have slots available, start slotting it with Heals.
* Don't get Permafrost for PVE and defenitely don't slot it. It's worthless.
Check the order of your powers as well. Hasten at lv 30 is a bit late. Build up at lv 49 as well. You don't NEED taunt at lv 10 as you already have Chilling Embrace.
edit: o kthanks for your advice dude
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I have it on my Tank and i find it very useful, especially along with the hold from the Cold mastery you can hold a boss quickly, or more useful is against Malta and one shot holding sappers when running in to a mob.
Also very useful in PvP.
I agree that the slotting isn't great, but the power can certainly be useful.
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this is my current build i am going to follow, atm i am lv 30 with this biuld and loving it. any comments on the build from 30-50 would be appreciated, thanks =)
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Name: oozy.
Level: 50
Archetype: Tanker
Primary: Ice Armor
Secondary: Ice Melee
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01) --> Frozen Armor==> DefBuf(1) DefBuf(3) DefBuf(3) EndRdx(9)
01) --> Frozen Fists==> Dmg(1) Acc(11) EndRdx(11) Dmg(33) Dmg(33) Rechg(34)
02) --> Hoarfrost==> Heal(2) Heal(5) Heal(5) Rechg(7) Rechg(7) Rechg(9)
04) --> Chilling Embrace==> EndRdx(4)
06) --> Wet Ice==> EndRdx(6)
08) --> Combat Jumping==> DefBuf(8)
10) --> Taunt==> Rechg(10) Taunt(13) Taunt(13)
12) --> Icicles==> EndRdx(12) EndRdx(15) Acc(15) Dmg(17) Dmg(17) Dmg(19)
14) --> Super Jump==> Jump(14) Jump(43) Jump(46)
16) --> Hurdle==> Jump(16)
18) --> Health==> Heal(18) Heal(19) Heal(21)
20) --> Stamina==> EndMod(20) EndMod(21) EndMod(23)
22) --> Glacial Armor==> EndRdx(22) DefBuf(23) DefBuf(25) DefBuf(25)
24) --> Ice Patch==> Rechg(24) EndRdx(43)
26) --> Energy Absorbtion==> Rechg(26) Rechg(27) Rechg(27) DefBuf(29) DefBuf(29) DefBuf(31)
28) --> Hasten==> Rechg(28) Rechg(31) Rechg(31)
30) --> Freezing Touch==> EndRdx(30) Acc(33) Rechg(34) Rechg(37) Acc(40) EndRdx(42)
32) --> Hibernate==> Heal(32) Heal(34) Heal(43) Rechg(48)
35) --> Greater Ice Sword==> EndRdx(35) Acc(36) Dmg(36) Dmg(36) Dmg(37) Rechg(37)
38) --> Frost==> EndRdx(38) Dmg(39) Dmg(39) Dmg(39) Acc(40) Rechg(40)
41) --> Conserve Power==> Rechg(41) Rechg(42) Rechg(42)
44) --> Focused Accuracy==> EndRdx(44) EndRdx(45) EndRdx(45) TH_Buf(45) TH_Buf(46) TH_Buf(46)
47) --> Permafrost==> DmgRes(47) DmgRes(48) DmgRes(48)
49) --> Build Up==> Rechg(49) Rechg(50) Rechg(50) TH_Buf(50)
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01) --> Sprint==> Empty(1)
01) --> Brawl==> Empty(1)
01) --> Gauntlet==> Empty(1)
02) --> Rest==> Empty(2)
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CE id have atleast 1 taunt slot on it. Icepatch 2 rechg is about right atleast to perma it without haste and an end slot is worth it imo as well. The 2 slots required id take from jump.
Freezing touch is melee which is riskier compared to block of ice from ice epic but is workable but more so with superspeed. On a hovering sapper it could be: shoot in -> hold -> ice patch. The way you have slotted it means its good acc, perma, and usable if needed on low end but the perma is a little bit too tight for my liking....so just 6 slot it and find out best way.
Say if a sapper is in a room, you dont have to shoot in and hold him only to find another around a blind corner sapping you (yeah you have good def i know) but you can flyby taunt the sapper and just as the sapper is about to come out of the room get him then.
Hibernate 3 rechg and then heals and 1 heal is good enough if any.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
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I have it on my Tank and i find it very useful, especially along with the hold from the Cold mastery you can hold a boss quickly, or more useful is against Malta and one shot holding sappers when running in to a mob.
Also very useful in PvP.
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I agree that it could be useful IF you stack it with the Hold in the Ice Epic, but he doesn't have that. Other than that it's only good for holding minions and leuts and to be honest, I've never found Sappers that much of a threat on my Ice Tank to require a specific power choice.
Same goes for PVP, don't bother with Freezing Touch, unless you will be following up with another hold. Every squishy will be using Acrobatics in PVP and Freezing Touch alone will not be enough to hit through.
My ice/ice is on route to take ice epic eventually but if the OP wants energy pool for concept or something then the permable freezing touch hold isnt always a bad idea. As i have previously have said icetanks have good def but a powerchoice doesnt have to be "about self" a hold is always nice, useful for damage mitigation of something including AVs. Ive yet to see how a icetank copes with dark ring mistresses id have to check that out as they can be seemably autohit with their end drains but despite anything freezing touch does do more damage than ice sword, i mean what else is there left to get thats more beneficial without a build overhaul?
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
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aww no one says why its poor but for me imagine this:
Hold
9 secs in start to use for example greater ice sword
Hold finishes recharging at 9.9 secs say,
Hold duration over at 10 secs
in a space of 1.5s seconds your goose is getting cooked because its not until 11.9 secs roughly the action time of greater ice sword would of finished its action time you can hold again.
Just meaning id rather have a hold thats longer than the recharge by the longest action time of anyother attack.
Id of 2 acc 2 hold and 2 rechg'd it out right myself.
If ya 6 slot it ya can easily find out what ya need anyway and just swap enhancements.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
this is my current build i am going to follow, atm i am lv 30 with this biuld and loving it. any comments on the build from 30-50 would be appreciated, thanks =)
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Name: oozy.
Level: 50
Archetype: Tanker
Primary: Ice Armor
Secondary: Ice Melee
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01) --> Frozen Armor==> DefBuf(1) DefBuf(3) DefBuf(3) EndRdx(9)
01) --> Frozen Fists==> Dmg(1) Acc(11) EndRdx(11) Dmg(33) Dmg(33) Rechg(34)
02) --> Hoarfrost==> Heal(2) Heal(5) Heal(5) Rechg(7) Rechg(7) Rechg(9)
04) --> Chilling Embrace==> EndRdx(4)
06) --> Wet Ice==> EndRdx(6)
08) --> Combat Jumping==> DefBuf(8)
10) --> Taunt==> Rechg(10) Taunt(13) Taunt(13)
12) --> Icicles==> EndRdx(12) EndRdx(15) Acc(15) Dmg(17) Dmg(17) Dmg(19)
14) --> Super Jump==> Jump(14) Jump(43) Jump(46)
16) --> Hurdle==> Jump(16)
18) --> Health==> Heal(18) Heal(19) Heal(21)
20) --> Stamina==> EndMod(20) EndMod(21) EndMod(23)
22) --> Glacial Armor==> EndRdx(22) DefBuf(23) DefBuf(25) DefBuf(25)
24) --> Ice Patch==> Rechg(24) EndRdx(43)
26) --> Energy Absorbtion==> Rechg(26) Rechg(27) Rechg(27) DefBuf(29) DefBuf(29) DefBuf(31)
28) --> Hasten==> Rechg(28) Rechg(31) Rechg(31)
30) --> Freezing Touch==> EndRdx(30) Acc(33) Rechg(34) Rechg(37) Acc(40) EndRdx(42)
32) --> Hibernate==> Heal(32) Heal(34) Heal(43) Rechg(48)
35) --> Greater Ice Sword==> EndRdx(35) Acc(36) Dmg(36) Dmg(36) Dmg(37) Rechg(37)
38) --> Frost==> EndRdx(38) Dmg(39) Dmg(39) Dmg(39) Acc(40) Rechg(40)
41) --> Conserve Power==> Rechg(41) Rechg(42) Rechg(42)
44) --> Focused Accuracy==> EndRdx(44) EndRdx(45) EndRdx(45) TH_Buf(45) TH_Buf(46) TH_Buf(46)
47) --> Permafrost==> DmgRes(47) DmgRes(48) DmgRes(48)
49) --> Build Up==> Rechg(49) Rechg(50) Rechg(50) TH_Buf(50)
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01) --> Sprint==> Empty(1)
01) --> Brawl==> Empty(1)
01) --> Gauntlet==> Empty(1)
02) --> Rest==> Empty(2)
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