My impressions over the Stalker AT


Blaze_Johnson

 

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My favourite AT by far are the Brutes, followed by Corruptors. But as the game has 5 ATs, I thought I should try the other 3, and I picked the Stalkers

After trying the sets a bit and reading the forums, I got a bit confused as how should I play this AT.

Well, keep in mind that this post was written by someone who's used to jump into the middle of the mobs and manage to stay alive for a long time.

My biggest issue is with the Secondaries. They fall into 3 categories for me:

-Defensive: EA, SR and Nin. Most of the time I read that Stalkers should be about defense because you need to Hide and Placate all the time. I agree that it works very well in PvE, but in PvP it seems that you'll get hit a lot since your opponent will have ACC Enhancements. So, in the long run, in RV for example, no matter how many shields you are running, you'll die with 2 shots. So why should I take them?

-Regeneration: When I fight in RV, /Regen Scrappers are a pain. But when it comes to Stalkers, I'm under the impression they cant regenerate their Health fast enough. That's because Stalkers have fewer HP, so the ammount of HPs they regenerate per tick is smaller. Besides, it has no defense. So why should I take this set?

-Dark Armor: The Resistance based set. I always hear bad things about it including it wont help you to use Placate or Hide and that you will aggro too much mobs. But then I remember /EA Brutes in RV: you'll get hit no matter what, but my Resistance based Brute will always absorb some damage. Ironically, this is the only set that makes any sense to me. Then again, I'm used to Brutes (gotta love Power Surge ), but it lacks a god mode. So why should I take this set?

I would like to hear some opinions about how Stalkers are meant to be played an what I got wrong.


 

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Stalkers can jump into mobs they just cant jump into them until they have about 2/3 shields and they cant be past orange at the most. Stalkers do what they say they stalk, hit and run is their main objective so if you like Brutes and Scrappers SIMPLY because they can jump into big high level mobs you're going to have to re-adjust the way you play for a stalker if you want to get any fun out of it


 

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Thats why I wanted some opinions. I know I'm playing them in the wrong way. I just wanted to understand this AT a bit better.


 

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Stalkers are about dealing high damage quickly then running away, a brute will just bundle from mob to mob smashing everything that comes in reach. A stalker has to plan the attack to take advantage of their strength. ie. Take out the mobs boss first scrap it out for a bit (probably taking out another) then placating the remaining guy and finish him off with an AS.

Took me time to get used to the stalker AT but I now have 3 in my account and love em to bits.
I'm a big fan of SR, feels great running into a mob and seeing not one of them hitting you :P


 

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As kitty says, Stalkers are kinda like the anti-brutes. Brtutes get stronger and stronger as a fight progresses, while stalkers actually get weaker after that first strike. Duoing with a brute can lead to quite a lot of friction:

"C'mon c'mon we gotta get to the next mob while my fury's still up!"
"No, we've got to wait a few seconds for me to hide."
"I KILL YOU! I KILL YOU IN THE FACE! Huh, where'd you g-"
*stab*


 

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I just don't think there's any way to love, enjoy, experience a good Stalker build til the mid 20s. Then everything just clicks.

Just me, maybe


 

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I believe you cant enjoy any AT until lvl 20 hehe

I tried two Stalkers so far: one Dark/EA and a Nin/Nin

EA kinda sucks. I though it would be cool to have an end drain (like I do with my Brute, very useful), a toggle status protection and Overload. But then I realized I have no protection against two types of damage, the same problem I have with my first Brute.

Then I tried Nin/nin. It feels like a good set but the problem was that after hitting the first time, I started to play like a Brute until I could Hide again.

I guess I'll try a Dominator =P


 

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Then I tried Nin/nin. It feels like a good set but the problem was that after hitting the first time, I started to play like a Brute until I could Hide again.

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With Nin/Nin my main tactic is

AS enemy a (BU/AS if it's a boss)
Hold enemy b
Golden Dragonfly enemy c
Flashing steel in case a or c are still alive
Placate/AS enemy d
Scrap with enemy b
Repeat


 

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Hold enemy b

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Not helpful for those first 43 levels though.


 

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I just don't think there's any way to love, enjoy, experience a good Stalker build til the mid 20s. Then everything just clicks.

Just me, maybe

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Agree absolutely, I'd actually say once a stalker gets to SO levels then they really get fun

Stalkers are probably the latest developing AT in the game.


 

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try em/regen, very easy to get into, very easy to introduce you to the stalker AT


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Hold enemy b

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Not helpful for those first 43 levels though.

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I was including disorient, fear, even knockdown in that


 

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the fact is that in the game a good heal will ever be better than a good shield as shield can be penetrated by 400000 things(debuff, buff, aim, autohit...)

so i would say regen is a good option.
and for the primary its sad but true, avoid anything but EM.
i play all primary, all the tiny "plus" they got (like side effect of MA or long range of claw and spine, are nothing compared to having almost 2 AS (as and ET) you have in EM

in duel i see it a lot. you can be skilled, a EM stalker that fight you only need one succesfful ET when you will have to scrapp him.


 

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the fact is that in the game a good heal will ever be better than a good shield as shield can be penetrated by 400000 things(debuff, buff, aim, autohit...)

so i would say regen is a good option.
and for the primary its sad but true, avoid anything but EM.
i play all primary, all the tiny "plus" they got (like side effect of MA or long range of claw and spine, are nothing compared to having almost 2 AS (as and ET) you have in EM

in duel i see it a lot. you can be skilled, a EM stalker that fight you only need one succesfful ET when you will have to scrapp him.

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A spines/nin or spines/sr would own you EM/Reg anyday tbh


 

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an AT win nothing, the man behind the screen do.a good player can own anybody thais is worst than him, we are not discussing that.
by the way if only a stalker can beat you, then it worht it no? only got to avoid them at war.
by the way i don't agrre well slotted it will be pain for a stalker to hit a MoGed regen and while IH+dull are running your spine will have hard time to finish where the EM will only have to hit BU+ ET then foca
sr or nin are def set, eating little yellow make your shields vanishing.


 

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aye but eating little purples negates your yellow and we just wait till your little MoG runs down then you're ours

You can't kill us if you can't reach us and we have range + immob

Impale, placate, build up, AS, impale bye bye


 

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so we got

"miss, placate then a yellow or a strategical retreat to break LoS, then miss then my turn

you see power or AT in themself can't be a winning set, and thanks god it's not the case.


 

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Any /SR or /Nin should pwn a /regen cos of its +percep, but EM is far better in duels than any of the rest, IMO


 

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try em/regen, very easy to get into, very easy to introduce you to the stalker AT

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pah, there is enough of them running round, dont encourage more

same goes for spines/** [yawn]


 

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I always think that Regen Stalkers are never as good as a /SR or a /Nin. IMO Defence is better that Resistance for a Melee AT that has a low base HP.


 

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true defense yes.
but in the game defense is easily nullifiate and at recluse FA (that i assume a lot of heros would take) break though any shield.

fact is that heal never fails and by the way if reconstruction+dull pain+ isntant helaning is not enough for a fight it's that you fight like a tank or that you are in a melee where no shield would protect you.

for perception euh .. ok... but f i can't see you, you can't see me neither when at furt cap so draw and again if only this at can give you some problem is worth to be played no? ^^


 

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SR gives a natural boost to perception which regen doesn't get


 

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Another disadvantage to regen is that you're ALWAYS getting hit. If you're getting hit you can't re-hide without using placate.


 

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with EM no need to hide to do damage, and a placate that follow a fear is enough to AS or ET a foe.
by the way you will be hit a lot BUT you have the heal that are here for that.

a sr or nin that is hit is a dead in 2 or 3 hit. and with BU you can touch anything.

and and when stunned your shields vanish them you are hit everytime too

now i am agree to say that anything can beat a regen and anything can beat a sr.
like i said if you are a bad player even statesman would die in your hands.

but i find regen to be less hum... a "poker defense"
i personnaly don't like to pray when i see a yellow glow or hear a BU sound