Mind > All. Also, it does affect robots normally (apart for the fear), robots just don't take that much damage fom it.
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Mind > All. Also, it does affect robots normally (apart for the fear), robots just don't take that much damage fom it.
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Fire/Kin > Mind/Kin for raw damage.
Fire/Kin is one of the fastest, most fun combinations I've played in the game, but the End use really can be a pain. Even with Transfusion, though that may be because I'm at the point where I'm wiping mobs before I can get Transfusion off most of the time.
Fire/Kin and Fire/Rad probably have the best damage pre APP as well, which is nice when you want to do some solo'ing.
Grav is nice, but the sinergy with Kin isn't so good, Sing has Repel so you may run in to issues of things bouncing out of Fulcum etc... Ice has awesome slows and good soft control in PvE, but lacks much damage and Jack is naff.
Fire/Kin is good, but in PvP... ehh, Fire isn't so hot in my opinion. It's a PvE powerhouse for sure, and can do well in pvp, but other sets can do better. That's not to say it's incompetent, though.
Fire/kin does massive PvE damage, Ive seen my friends troller at work and the problem was getting transference off because the +3 mob spawns died too fast..
Seriously brought back memories from pre-ED..
I have never thought about mind/kin however, as those sets dont synch particularly well - no pet to buff for starters. Mind is good but maybe not with a /kin. Grav is good but light on damage, good on control. Both mind and grav are great for pvp though.. But they dont synch that well with kin.
A /kin troller in pvp might instead concentrate on using secondary for buffing and have extra utility from primary..
Controller, damage?
*Sigh*
Kids these days.... 
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Controller, damage?
*Sigh*
Kids these days....
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So you really have not seen a good fire/kin at work? The spawns go down in like 5 seconds.
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Controller, damage?
*Sigh*
Kids these days....
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So you really have not seen a good fire/kin at work? The spawns go down in about 5 seconds.
[/ QUOTE ]I have, but I still think the abomination known as containment should be scrapped and controllers should focus on, you know, control
Well to get containment the mobs are obviously controlled 
edit: well kinetic maybe not best secondary for someone wanting controlling action. I think im gonna roll grav/ or mind/ coupled with forcefield, sonic or rad.. I already got mind/ff though.
AoE immob doesn't count as control
But Mind/Kin has the AoE sleep Fulcrum combo
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Controller, damage?
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Kids these days....
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So you really have not seen a good fire/kin at work? The spawns go down in about 5 seconds.
[/ QUOTE ]I have, but I still think the abomination known as containment should be scrapped and controllers should focus on, you know, control
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I've always thought dead mobs is the best kind of control
thePhilosopher Martial Arts/Regen/Fire Scrapper
theRegulator Empathy/Energy/Soul Defender
Total Inertia Ice Blast/Kinetics/Psy Corruptor
Total Inferno Ice Blast/Thermal/Leviathan Corruptor
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AoE immob doesn't count as control
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Now now, it's control because it stops them moving.
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Now now, it's control because it stops them moving.
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lol agreed as does them all being faceplanted in a truly indecent period of time which is Fire/Kins MO and a very effective one too 
On a serious note which the above wasn't btw Fire/Kin is absolutely amazing, having teamed with a mate on his Fire/Kin with Magus (my Emp/NRG) I can heartily agree that the damage deal is a sight to see, and Hammer aint joking about the transference issue with Imps, Hotfeet, Holds, Fulcram Shift and Containment it really is that fast, hence an Emp with AB is a good friend to have.
All in all Fire/Kin is a seriously mad bucket of fun but a true end hog of doom! Give it a go I will be, if I ever get through the rest of my list of fun alts to have that is
Cheers,
White 
And I got to say Fire/Kin not only coutdamages any blaster dmg, but also does very well in pvp
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True. Ever seen X3 in action? 
Fire/kin is king of PvE in the 40s. Mind has better damage in low levels, and more control options, but Fire has Hot Feet and the most damaging pets (soz MaX). Ice and Earth have good synergy if you want more control-oriented builds. And I'd say the same for Gravity (never really had a problem with my Sing getting in front of me and repelling mobs). For PvP, anything/kin is nice for teams but for duels /rad is certainly better.
CoX 50s: <ill/rad> <ice/ice> <fire/kin> <grav/sonic> <ice/storm> <earth/kin> <kin/elec> <cold/psy> <thugs/dark> <fire/dark> <dark/elec> <night widow> <EM/ninj> <mind/icy>
Thats Awsome thank you every 1, i think i will Slot End Reductions rather than Dmg in early staged untill i get stamina then up my Dmg, after weighing up all options i think Fire/Kin would best suit me, lol but coz im an altaholic i have also made a Mind/Rad on Union as a tester. What do you think about that build based on pvp solo? Because Rad is more of a team buffing power i would have thaught?
Your welcome
Rad is a great boon on a PvP team the debuffs are amazing and can help put down the toughest of opponents. I dont have much experience with Mind troll but on paper it should be pretty useful, I wouldnt see it as a solo PvPer myself as you might lack some punch but you would debuff and control to a very high level and so on a team could well prove very strong.
Anyways just some random thoughts at 1.30 am hope they help
Oh and Altaholics Annonymous ftw!
Cheers,
White
Rad only has one team buff, it's very muchly a debuff set.
Hi i have just made a Fire/Kin Cont, But before i lvled him i wanted to read the forum for advice, as far as i can see Fire is a pretty powerfull power BUT! it's an End eater
Also i considered Iccce, but then i read the pet is lazy, i have experience in Ill/Kin (the Kin Side i think ill be ok but advice welcome) but no experience with other conts.
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I will post the questions i have on my mind & i hope you can help me out so i can Delete or start to lvl up
1 - Gravity sounds good but slowish recharge, end cost??
2 - mind control - doesnt affect robots Ect (concerns me) also no ideeeea about End cost recharge Ect.
3 - most powers have to be done on the ground.
4 - Ice Vs Fire cant decide
Also taking into concideration i am a team player & will be teaming PVE but i made the cont basicallt por PVP soo if poss id love any advice on what typpe of cont is best suited also why & how to slott the attacks.
I know it's alot to ask but id be really greatfull. Also if it's easier & you have a spare build, could you PM me. If i go wrong theres allways Respec but id like to get it wright the 1st time for a change
THX ALOT!
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