Fire/Kinetic Question


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Hi,
i'm now playing a Fire/Kin for the first time. Currently, i'm on level 18. From the Fire Control Set i have so far Char, Fire Cages, Hot Feet and Flashfire.
I have never played any char who has run out of end so fast. Basically, i have to rest after each fight. Hot Feet is slotted with 2 end reductions right now but i can use it only against blue or green minions for a short time. Most of the time i open a fight with flashfire, then i use fire cages and char repeatedly. The end bar goes down like nothing. Would you recommend to put an end reduction in each of the powers, but then the holds might not be so effectively anymore ?

I fear that in the later levels with more end consuming powers i will always have these problems, even with stamina. Will the end problems only be gone with Transference on level 35 ? Thats a long way to go.
Before i made this build i have read the Fire/Kin gets full power not before level38 with Fulcrum Shift. Ok, thats no problem for me, i have some other chars between 35-40, but the endurance use is a real pain.

Thanks for any advice.


 

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Hot Feet is VERY endheavy and basically impossible to run before stamina and SOs and even after that it's very hard without outisde buffs.

After Transference at lvl 35 you won't have any problems but until then I suggest teaming up with a kinetic and to a lesser extent rad or empathy defender or controller for the endbuffs.

This shouldn't discourage you btw...Hot Feet is an awesome power and will outdamage the imps so stick with it....it's worth it


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Fire/kin is certainly an edurance hog and you just need to carry along lots of blues until you get to 35. I would recommend slotting 3 EndRdx in Hot Feet (for now) and one in Fire Cages (which btw you probably don't need to be using "repeatedly"). Stamina will help quite a bit in the 20s once it's fully sloted with SOs, but I wouldn't bother with EndRdx in Flashfire or Char. Unless you plan to mainly solo, you should hopefully be starting to team with people who have some endurance recovery powers (e.g. SB, RA, AM), so this should help a bit too.

Edit: damn you're quick Archy!


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Edit: damn you're quick Archy!

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Rarr!!


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I spent alot of my time as a fire/kin teamed with other kins, and let me tell you, speed boost+stamina solves all of your end problems. Find another kin and make friends real quick, that's my advice


 

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I spent alot of my time as a fire/kin teamed with other kins, and let me tell you, speed boost+stamina solves all of your end problems. Find another kin and make friends real quick, that's my advice

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Do they need to be another Kin necessarily? Doesn't Siphon speed increase your own recovery speed much in the same way that adrenaline boost does? (I'm only asking because I have a Fire / Kin at lvl 8, and Siphon Speed will be my level 10 choice )


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I spent alot of my time as a fire/kin teamed with other kins, and let me tell you, speed boost+stamina solves all of your end problems. Find another kin and make friends real quick, that's my advice

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Do they need to be another Kin necessarily? Doesn't Siphon speed increase your own recovery speed much in the same way that adrenaline boost does? (I'm only asking because I have a Fire / Kin at lvl 8, and Siphon Speed will be my level 10 choice )

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No: it only increases your recharge and movement speed (and decreases those of your foes).


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Nope, it doesn't. Running &amp; Recharge are all it affects.

In answer to the OP, stop spamming Fire Cages. It eats end, worse than Hotfeet. You should only be using Fire Cages once to immob / contain and then focus on single target attacks while Hotfeet burns the rest away. The damage of Fire Cages probably isn't worth the downtime you are forcing on your self afterwards. I had Hotfeet 3 damage slotted up until the 30s with no issues as I only use Firecages at the start of combat.

It's one of the reasons I think Fires should take one of the Pool attacks at low levels, to give themselves something to do in between holds as Hotfeet burns them away


 

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@all, thanks for your help.
It seems, i made a mistake using fire cages more often during a fight for providing some additional damage. I will put an endred in it and use it for immobilization only once per mob. So i suppose it shouldn't be slotted for damage, only accuracy and immobilization (and the 1 endred)?

I have slotted Char with 2 dam enhancements so far, since its my only attack besides hot feet, which i can use only occasionally. Is this ok, i mean i play on teams most of the time but this would be my only damage power most of the time until higher levels?

Thx again.


 

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Well I know Animal Mutha was getting use out of stacking fire cages, and stacking mezzing DoTs can throw out huge damage. I just found it wasn't worth it once I got past level 10 or so really, End was too tight. But it is annoying just having one attack. Kinetics is a busy set though so you should have something to do. Siphon Power is a bit of an End eater too actually. Although it does give a nice return for it.

Maybe 1 acc &amp; 2 End Red SOs might help you out a bit too with Firecages, along with an SO in Hotfeet?


 

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What I did with my Fire/Kin was to take AS as an additional attack in the early game and use Fly as travel power until I respecced into IR at 28. The single-target immob (Ring of Fire) can also be taken and slotted for damage at low levels, but if you already have Fire Cages (which I slot 2 acc 1 EndRdx) Char (you should switch the dmg enhances to holds later on), and Hot Feet, I wouldn't bother tbh.


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What I did with my Fire/Kin was to take AS as an additional attack in the early game

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You got assasine strike on your troller? -yeh it's a joke, but couldn't resist to -


 

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What I did with my Fire/Kin was to take AS as an additional attack in the early game

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You got assasine strike on your troller? -yeh it's a joke, but couldn't resist to -

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Yep, works wonders with Hide and Placate. You should try it sometime


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With my old fire / kin I had a bad habit of casting fire cages (mass immob) far too much which really does the endurance in. Casting only once should be enough.

This is the only thing i can suggest.


 

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With my old fire / kin I had a bad habit of casting fire cages (mass immob) far too much which really does the endurance in. Casting only once should be enough.

This is the only thing i can suggest.

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Short of being Power Leveled to at least level 35 minimum.

I didn't say anything if anyone asks.

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With my old fire / kin I had a bad habit of casting fire cages (mass immob) far too much which really does the endurance in. Casting only once should be enough.

This is the only thing i can suggest.

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Short of being Power Leveled to at least level 35 minimum.

I didn't say anything if anyone asks.

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lol - this at least a year ago when i had Friction and i enjoyed every bit of it with not a power level xp point gained


 

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I spent alot of my time as a fire/kin teamed with other kins, and let me tell you, speed boost+stamina solves all of your end problems. Find another kin and make friends real quick, that's my advice

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/em loves Archy for this reason... alone


 

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meh....and all this time I thought it was my boyish charm and fab hair


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