IIRC, the defence buff is considerably high, while the other stats are fairly low.
The downloadable Prima guide thing (which uses numbers supplied by the devs) lists the Maneuvers at 13.6% +Def, Assault at 5% +Dam and Tactics at 2.5% +ToHit.
You can't improve the +Dam Buff from Assault and the ToHit Buff from Tactics is negligible.
I'm not so sure about the numbers in the Prima guide...13.6% seems very high. Stack that a few times and we're talking stupidly high levels of defence. (Especially bearing in mind that each MM has two enforcers in later levels. That's already 27.4%, just four MM's and we're already over 100% defence.
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I'm not so sure about the numbers in the Prima guide...13.6% seems very high. Stack that a few times and we're talking stupidly high levels of defence. (Especially bearing in mind that each MM has two enforcers in later levels. That's already 27.4%, just four MM's and we're already over 100% defence.
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The numbers are right, try hitting thugs in Bloody Bay with two upgraded Enforcers.
However - these leadership skills are special and specific to Enforcers and your gang - the defence from the Enforcers does not stack with other gangs nor does it benefit you or anyone else in the team.
I'm pretty sure it does stack. In all Thug teams I've seen high numbers on the leadership icons.
Indeed: they do stack for henches, but don't affect you or other team-mates.
CoX 50s: <ill/rad> <ice/ice> <fire/kin> <grav/sonic> <ice/storm> <earth/kin> <kin/elec> <cold/psy> <thugs/dark> <fire/dark> <dark/elec> <night widow> <EM/ninj> <mind/icy>
Oh yes, I know that. But it does stack with other Thug MM's pets. I've seen my pets with 14 or so stacked at any one time.
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Is it possible that the prima guide lists the numbers for both Enforcers stacked together? 6.8% seems more reasonable.
Lol, imagine a group of high lvl thug/FF MM with fully upgraded enforcers, the defense buff would be immense.
Just imagine a group of high level thug MMs. :P
Assuming the def buff is 13.6%
8 Thug MM's = 16 Enforcers
16*13.6 = 217.6% Defence for the pets. Unslotted!
That's why I don't trust those numbers.
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Assuming the def buff is 13.6%
8 Thug MM's = 16 Enforcers
16*13.6 = 217.6% Defence for the pets. Unslotted!
That's why I don't trust those numbers.
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Would be nice though lol
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Assuming the def buff is 13.6%
8 Thug MM's = 16 Enforcers
16*13.6 = 217.6% Defence for the pets. Unslotted!
That's why I don't trust those numbers.
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I think base numbers are right, but I suspect the +Def is capped at some level (or in fact Def doesn't stack at all even if the icons do), otherwise the thugs would get Elude like defence with just two MMs, which certainly isn't the case.
I think the slotting is bugged on enforcers, no matter how I slot it +defence buffs always result in increasing my -def debuffs 
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Oh yes, I know that. But it does stack with other Thug MM's pets. I've seen my pets with 14 or so stacked at any one time.
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Sorry, maybe I wasn't clear, but yes, they do appear to stack with other MM's henches. I remember that someone took a piccie at the Gang's base (must be in the thread somewhere) and you could see the stacked icons. But I agree, there must be a catch, otherwise the numbers don't make sense...
CoX 50s: <ill/rad> <ice/ice> <fire/kin> <grav/sonic> <ice/storm> <earth/kin> <kin/elec> <cold/psy> <thugs/dark> <fire/dark> <dark/elec> <night widow> <EM/ninj> <mind/icy>
Yup, either it doesn't stack (except for the icon) or 13.6% is wrong. The pets definately don't have defence that high when teamed!
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Oh yes, I know that. But it does stack with other Thug MM's pets. I've seen my pets with 14 or so stacked at any one time.
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Sorry, maybe I wasn't clear, but yes, they do appear to stack with other MM's henches. I remember that someone took a piccie at the Gang's base (must be in the thread somewhere) and you could see the stacked icons. But I agree, there must be a catch, otherwise the numbers don't make sense...
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The icons "stack" but do you really think the Defence buff does? If it were the case then the BASE defence from just 2 MMs would be 54%. I've tried teaming with another Thugs MMs (I have a level30 Thug MM) and it certainly doesn't seem like the thugs are getting that level of defence.
On the other hand the defence buff from a "single pair" of Enforcers does seem to be substantially more than the standard Maneuvers power pool.
I think maybe it doesn't stack. You're right, the base defence does seem better than the player version. I would have thought that would be mentioned somewhere though.
I can assure you, the icons and the buffs stack. The overall defence buff does get a high cap though, and the range of the manuevers is very small.
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Thugs/FF ftw.
yes, but with FF :O
or what about shadow fall from/dark aswell :O plus with /dark you have twilight grasp.
Anyone actually have any leadership numbers for the Thug Enforcers?
Have no idea if its even worth putting defense buffs or tohit buffs in them.
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