Shiver vs Frost Breath


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I've just started an Ice/Ice Dom and i'm enjoying it so far. I'm planning on making him a support toon so that means i'm not going to go for much of the secondary pool.

From the primary pool there is Shiver which is a cone attack with -SPD and -Recharge. In the secondary there is Frostbreath (cone attack with moderate DoT, -SPD and -Recharge). My plan is to take one of these two but not the other. So.... after a long winded build up my question is this.

Is the debuff from Frostbreath anywhere near as good as Shiver?

i'm not all that bothered about the DoT from Frostbreath (i know it doesnt do as much as its Firey counterpart) but if the debuff is decent compared to Shiver then it would be a nice bonus.

Thanks to anyone who replies.


 

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Is the debuff from Frostbreath anywhere near as good as Shiver?


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No (at least for the blaster versions). And Shiver has better range.


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No, but it does damage, and damage builds domination


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Do you have to do damage to build domination? I thought simply attacking did that?

I don't have either cone, I dislike cones, I dislike DoT and I mistrust recharge slow since it doesn't stop the alpha strike.


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The AoE hold does no damage, and doesn't seem to build much domination, Ice Sword Circle makes a very visible difference to your domination. So damage=domination is how I read it


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They were appropriately appalled
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They're now putting it all together.
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I don't have either cone, I dislike cones, I dislike DoT and I mistrust recharge slow since it doesn't stop the alpha strike.

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That is indeed a good point.


 

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I had the same question when I started my ice/ice. They do sound very alike from the description but they aren't, really. Shiver is a very large cone, Frost Breath is a lot smaller. I believe the slow in Shiver has a longer duration, too, and i'm not sure if it slows more. At any case I'd consider Frost Breath as a damage power and pick the slow power(s) among AA, Shiver and CE. I have AA and Shiver at the moment and I find them useful to stack -recharge, although some might consider that an overkill. I used to have CE but it has such a small range that I think Shiver makes more difference overall.


 

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I don't have either cone, I dislike cones, I dislike DoT and I mistrust recharge slow since it doesn't stop the alpha strike.

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That is indeed a good point.

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I think it's a weird point, to be honest. As ice/ice you can't do much to stop alpha strike, short of placing ice slick from out of LOS. Better just accept it and move on. There are usually other people on the team that are much more suited for taking alpha. And if you don't appreciate -recharge, I'm not sure how you can enjoy an ice/ice at all.. Ice Slick is all it's got going for it then.


 

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Yeah you can. You can hold or Sleep them. Or pull them round a corner onto an Ice Slick. Or drop Jack on them.


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Just a note on the DoT of Frost Breath, its pretty instant, more like Smite hitting someone than an actual DoT


"Well, they found my diary today.
They were appropriately appalled
at the discovery of the eight victims
They're now putting it all together.
Women wrapped in silk
with one leg missing
Eight legs, one body, silk,
spider, brilliant!"

 

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Thanks very much everyone, looks like i'll be going for Shiver.

Ta very much once again


 

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Yeah you can. You can hold or Sleep them. Or pull them round a corner onto an Ice Slick. Or drop Jack on them.

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*shrug*

Sleep is the only one on your list I'd really consider preventing alpha. Well, I guess summoning Jack too but in any larger team that will kill him so I'm not sure if it's worth it.


 

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Power boost, CJ into the middle, Glacier, then Artic Air, alpha........... what alpha??!


"Well, they found my diary today.
They were appropriately appalled
at the discovery of the eight victims
They're now putting it all together.
Women wrapped in silk
with one leg missing
Eight legs, one body, silk,
spider, brilliant!"

 

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Maybe it's the lack of CJ but that's how I tend to take the alpha, not prevent it..


 

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It works better if an SS brute hits Footstomp, and then you hit Glacier, but that requires both having CJ and some timing


"Well, they found my diary today.
They were appropriately appalled
at the discovery of the eight victims
They're now putting it all together.
Women wrapped in silk
with one leg missing
Eight legs, one body, silk,
spider, brilliant!"