I didnt say Masterminds are underpowered in PVP, I said that in my eyes they arent that FAR above dominators.. I didnt say whether dominators sucked nor that mms sucked..
I don't have that much pvp experience but I base my thoughts on the amount of dominators and masterminds I have taken down in sirens..Dominators arent that common but a largish amount of MMs and since most MMs I've come across have been essentially 3-shotted I'm not one to promote MM survivability that much in pvp.. Point with MMs is that the pets dont protect them cause everybody can go straight for the MM. This bodyguard buff (link please) may change everything, or not.
But.. all of these are just my thoughts, dont take them too seriously.
PS. I only just took my lvl 24 dominator to sirens call for the first time and I was completely devastated by his damage output 
Sure hes not properly slotted cause lack of inf but still....
Same for me 
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My energie dammage output with SO is just .....i don't think there is words for this .
I feel like playing an half controlers in pvp without controler dammage output based on inherent.
So in fact maybe less than a half controler .
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I don't have that much pvp experience but I base my thoughts on the amount of dominators and masterminds I have taken down in sirens..Dominators arent that common but a largish amount of MMs and since most MMs I've come across have been essentially 3-shotted I'm not one to promote MM survivability that much in pvp.. Point with MMs is that the pets dont protect them cause everybody can go straight for the MM. This bodyguard buff (link please) may change everything, or not.
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Just because MMs can be three-shotted doesn't mean MMs will be 3-shotted. I play my Rob/Dark MM quite happily in Sirens, in strategic situations - in fact he's the best toon I have for staging beachfront counterattacks when heavily outnumbered.
edit: Oh yeah, link to Bodyguard info.
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PS. I only just took my lvl 24 dominator to sirens call for the first time and I was completely devastated by his damage output Sure hes not properly slotted cause lack of inf but still....
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1) Dominators don't really develop until post-30.
2) Most toons suffer without the proper enhancements.
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1) MMs don't really develop until post-30.
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I won´t ever make a MM!!!!
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1) MMs don't really develop until post-30.
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I won´t ever make a MM!!!!
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Whoooops, I meant to say Doms. 
(That said, I guess the same could be said for certain MMs as well.)
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In PVE sure, dominators give a whole new meaning to the term "squishy".. Aggroing everything and being unable to withstand anything.. And having naff attacks on top of that.
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Nope. Not correct AT all. Those are the trademarks of a naff player, not a naff AT.
Whoa, hold on there! So dominators and trollers have similar damage output? That's so very wrong! Trollers get buff/debuff abilities on par with corruptors and they get damage? That's so very very wrong.
Mind you, hearing about these toggle droppers that doms get makes them sound a whole lot more appealing. I imagine they end up playing something like a blapper in PvP, just having to take a bit longer about it?
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Whoa, hold on there! So dominators and trollers have similar damage output? That's so very wrong! Trollers get buff/debuff abilities on par with corruptors and they get damage? That's so very very wrong.
Mind you, hearing about these toggle droppers that doms get makes them sound a whole lot more appealing. I imagine they end up playing something like a blapper in PvP, just having to take a bit longer about it?
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That's about right. Defenders have complained about the potential damage output of Controllers, and Dominators are supposed to have about the same damage level as Defenders.
Yes, Doms get (mostly) melee toggle droppers but a Blapper can measure a fight in seconds, a Dom has to measure a fight in minutes usually. Given enough time a Dom can beat almost any other AT, unfortunately a Doms life expectancy 1v1 is somewhere between 2-4 seconds against certain Blaster or Scrapper builds which means sometimes it's just unplayable.
At level 35+ you start getting some great attack powers, unfortunately your survivability isn't any better. I read a great post on the US forums saying that Dom damage felt a bit like 'slowly torturing your enemies to death' because of the super-low damage you do in early levels, it's exactly how it's like for me in Siren's I almost never KO a hero, just torture them for a bit. 
Extremus has posted this in the test forum for Issue 7, this is just the Dom stuff, apart from a few exceptions Doms are the main toggle droppers for Villains:
Inherent: Brawl: 5% for 1 Toggle
Dominator: Bone Smasher: 5% for 1 Toggle
Dominator: Total Focus: 64% for 1 Toggle
Dominator: Incinerate: 5% for 1 Toggle
Dominator: Blaze: 64% for 1 Toggle
Dominator: Ice Sword: 5% for 1 Toggle
Dominator: Greater Ice Sword: 64% for 1 Toggle
Dominator: Mind Probe: 5% for 1 Toggle
Dominator: Psychic Shockwave: 64% for 1 Toggle
Dominator: Skewer: 5% for 1 Toggle
Dominator: Ripper: 64% for 1 Toggle
That looks bad for /energy, with the activation time that Total Focus has, 64% seems like too weak odds. /Psi and /Fire still look good, on the other hand.
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Erm, what is the substantial buff youre talking about? I know of some buff coming..to PVP.
Are we talking PVE or PVP here?
In PVE sure, dominators give a whole new meaning to the term "squishy".. Aggroing everything and being unable to withstand anything.. And having naff attacks on top of that.
In PVP I havent noticed MMS to be far above doms in survivability.. Sure it doesnt take much to be above doms, but personally I see only FF MMs have some chance... EDIT: But I may have a bit biased point of view from behind these built-up, aimed power fists
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I must have missed that meeting where it was decided MMs are underpowered in PvE, are there actually MMs that need to remain conscious during PvE missions?
You're entirely wrong about Dominators in PvE, we do fine. Doms that don't do fine are playing it wrong.
In PvP, well apart from say Triage Beacon, Force Field Gen, and Seeker Drones, and I suppose Twilight Grasp, Darkest Night, Shadow Fall, Dark Servant, possibly also apart from Deflection Shield, Insulation Shield, PFF, Dispersion Bubble, Repulsion Field, Force bubble, and well apart from all those arrow debuffs and protector robots, yes, apart from those things MMs have absolutely no advantages above Doms in PvP.
I forgot the Tree! Doms have Spirit Tree of course! we rule!
MMs survivability in PvP is way way above Doms, and with the bodyguard buff (which is in fact not just PvP but PvE as well) they'll be much tougher.