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Raven always solos, which is probably why he thinks Scrappers are the most boring.

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It would make a lot of sense. I tend to find scrappers have one of the more hectic roles within a team, assuming we're doing our job right and assuming the team has selected a challenging mission.
Our job, as I see and play it is threefold.
Back up the tanker. Tankers can only take so much punishment and it's the scrappers job to wittle down the numbers currently pummeling the tanker as fast as possible.
Eliminate high risk targets - make a mess of those mobs that can hold and knockback first.
Protect the squishies - is mobs make it past the front line it's the scrappers job to fall back and take them out, especially if there's no blaster or if there's large numbers of mobs.
Will all these responsibilities - how is a scrappers life ever dull... unless he's soloing, but then is it really any different for any other AT?

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how is a crappers life ever dull... unless he's soloing, but then is it really any different for any other AT?

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I know as a scrapper I take risks, but I never got to that stage myself myself !!!

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I know as a scrapper I take risks, but I never got to that stage myself myself !!!

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Bah, you're just not trying hard enough - cr*p myself all the time. Especially when I'm fighting the Devouring Earth

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Bah, you're just not trying hard enough - cr*p myself all the time. Especially when I'm fighting the Devouring Earth

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Huh DE are easy for scrappers.

End Drainers (Sappers/Carnies) on the other hand are nasty scary horrible critters. No end, no shields, no health

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Huh DE are easy for scrappers.

End Drainers (Sappers/Carnies) on the other hand are nasty scary horrible critters. No end, no shields, no health

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Bah, end drainers are nothing but an inconvenience (rather more since QR and STA aren't six slotted anymore) to a regen scrapper.
The swarms dude, remember the swarms, running through treacle with no attacks!

/Agree with EK.
Ring Mistress's and sappers are the only mobs who kill my scrapper (soloing).

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Bah, you're just not trying hard enough - cr*p myself all the time. Especially when I'm fighting the Devouring Earth

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Huh DE are easy for scrappers.

End Drainers (Sappers/Carnies) on the other hand are nasty scary horrible critters. No end, no shields, no health

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Bah, that may be the case for you /regen etc... types. But us SRs are made of different stuff, a wobbly-flobby-whitish-green stuff, that fears no Carnies and Sappers.

Quartz on the other hand... no rock should be able to make grown men cry.

On-Topic; I think personal preferance is a big factor here (as allways), but the difference in Scrappers is that the real shaping comes from the secondary;

I love the sheer unpredictablity that is SR, sometimes an even-con minion can get three hits through Elude and make you eat floor making everyone in the room lose control of their bladder through hilarity. or that sometimes, sometimes, when the plantes are correctly aligned, you can be left standing when even the stone tank is eating floor!

Invinc I love for the mind set it creates. Any time you have to go look for more enemys so that you can stand a chance something is good!

DA, seems a bit to much like hard work for me. All those toggles. But i can see the attraction, if you like that kinda thing.

Regen I don't, and have never, "got". Seems a bit to linear for me- either your fine or you're dead. But it works for a lot of people- different strokes for different folks.

(please note, I am critising neither the players or the powersets at all here. Just trying to illustrate a point.)

Find what works for you, and go for it.

It's interesting you say that about regen. You're assesment is quite accuracy and the reason I like the powerset - you can manage yourself with a fair amount fo precision and bring your heals to bear as the situation demands.
Dull pain closely followed by IH turn the regen scrapper from a formidable opponent to an unstoppable one with regards to most mobs, the exceptions being the big hitters, like the DEs. With both powers running you can survive against ridiculous numbers of the likes of Creys or Maltas and even Carnies don't offer much of a threat.
Of course, it only lasts a minute and if the mob hasn't been seriously whittled down or your previously indisposed team mates aren't back on their feet then you seriously need to start readying your face to plant.
Can only comment on the regen and to a limited extent the SR scrapper who appears to be no match for the former. Once his elude is gone then the fight is over - the regen scrapper will likely still have IH running and definitely still have dull pain running and the match becomes scrapper versus hard hitting tanker - no contest.

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Invinc I love for the mind set it creates. Any time you have to go look for more enemys so that you can stand a chance something is good!

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Thats ony true for one power as far as I remember..... and I don't need lots of enemies to look good....... I hope...

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Regen I don't, and have never, "got". Seems a bit to linear for me- either your fine or you're dead. But it works for a lot of people- different strokes for different folks.

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Which is one of the reasons i love it.

Either alive, kicking [censored] and looking great or flat on your face next to the blasters. Both regen and SR involve taking a chance. Hoping that there won't be too much incoming damage or the enemey won't get those lucky shots past your DEF. Sometimes you'll jump into a group and dnace about killing everything in your path other times you'll be asking for an awaken/rez inbetween shouts of "Stupid <insert profanity of choice> Scrapper"

Invlun and DA are more measured you can see your health dropping slowly and act accordingly.

I have both a Regen (lvl42) and SR (lvl35) scrapper on my account.

Although personally, I'm having a lot more fun using SR. A lot of risk taken, but all the more satisfying whilst you stand over a large(ish) mob of +3 villains with your health bar dangerously kissing the darker end of red.

In my opinion Regen has had their day. i3 Regens had an almost godly aura about them. As soon as the chips were down and the team were failing you'd see the Regen scrapper raise his fist in the air accompanied by angels singing "ahhhh" around him. Then you'd see him wading into the fracas...ahh, poetry in motion! With this said, I may have enjoyed Regen better pre-nerfs. purely for having that god-like quality.




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In my opinion Regen has had their day. i3 Regens had an almost godly aura about them. As soon as the chips were down and the team were failing you'd see the Regen scrapper raise his fist in the air accompanied by angels singing "ahhhh" around him. Then you'd see him wading into the fracas...ahh, poetry in motion! With this said, I may have enjoyed Regen better pre-nerfs. purely for having that god-like quality.

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Bah you only needed MoG for AVs. IH was where it was at. I remember one evening 8 man team getting a hammering in the first room of a mission half are dead the others are running for the door. My health is dropping and i notice i forgot to turn IH on. Flipped it on, full green bar and started mopping up.

Of course now i just lie there and wait for a rez

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Of course now i just lie there and wait for a rez

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REVIVE for the win!!! (get up....then go back down again....and no debt! Joy)




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In my opinion Regen has had their day. i3 Regens had an almost godly aura about them. As soon as the chips were down and the team were failing you'd see the Regen scrapper raise his fist in the air accompanied by angels singing "ahhhh" around him. Then you'd see him wading into the fracas...ahh, poetry in motion! With this said, I may have enjoyed Regen better pre-nerfs. purely for having that god-like quality.

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Had their day? A regen scrapper will kick an SR scrapper's ar5e up and down the streets of Warburg. I know, I've done it. Both in Warburg and in the arena. The latter can't match the former head to head.

Having said that I don't know how the SR performs in PvE. I do know my 42nd kat/regen can and has taken on 20 equal lvl mobs (rikti minions) and walked away without popping a signle insp. Which, imho aint too shabby. I've seen him survive when he's so surrounded by Crey I can barely see him (I lost count at 25 and there were LTs in that lot), although that one took a lot os insps to stay in the fight.

So I'm sorry I have to disagree, you go back to I3 and so have a different perspective. The I4 nerf hit when I was too low lvl to notice it and so my persepctive is almost purely I5 and whilst I realise why you may not enjoy your regen scrapper anymore he is still a very powerful addition to any team.

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So I'm sorry I have to disagree, you go back to I3 and so have a different perspective. The I4 nerf hit when I was too low lvl to notice it and so my persepctive is almost purely I5 and whilst I realise why you may not enjoy your regen scrapper anymore he is still a very powerful addition to any team.

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I teamed with Cap alot back in I3 and back then Regen wasn't an addition to the team it was the team. I could happily load a mission for 6-8 people and walk through it alone (yes we were hidesouly overpowered). Regen still is good, its just not God anymore.

If that's the case it sounds like the nerf was warranted.

The funny thing is, I struggle to find a challenging mission NOW, I can only imagine the difficulty I'd have if I still had stuff like perma IH.

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Had their day? A regen scrapper will kick an SR scrapper's ar5e up and down the streets of Warburg. I know, I've done it. Both in Warburg and in the arena. The latter can't match the former head to head.


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Yup, that's a fair assesment. An SR scrapper CAN take out a regen head-to-head, but it takes a fairly poor regen, or some dammn sneaky tricks... That said, Warburg isn't about head to head, and SRs near invunrability to secondary effects (which don't connect enough to stack) and holds (see 1) make them quite potent in ways regen isn't.

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Having said that I don't know how the SR performs in PvE. I do know my 42nd kat/regen can and has taken on 20 equal lvl mobs (rikti minions) and walked away without popping a signle insp. Which, imho aint too shabby. I've seen him survive when he's so surrounded by Crey I can barely see him (I lost count at 25 and there were LTs in that lot), although that one took a lot os insps to stay in the fight.

So I'm sorry I have to disagree, you go back to I3 and so have a different perspective. The I4 nerf hit when I was too low lvl to notice it and so my persepctive is almost purely I5 and whilst I realise why you may not enjoy your regen scrapper anymore he is still a very powerful addition to any team.

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As Ether has said- the gap has closed dramatically, SR in i3 really suffered while regen was kicking the legs off Fathim by themselves. Regen is probably still a very small amount better than SR- but quicken, scrapfiance and such make SR quite able to stand it's ground and outperform regen in circumstances. (mainly when secondary effects are the real bugger, Malta and Carnies being prime examples).

The thing that really [censored] me off about i3 was the way I would be regularly booted from teams that had just invited me when I turned out not to be regen. It was the best by such an absurd distance that any other type of scrapper seemed a waste. All in all, I think that the subsequent "nerfs" have done a great job of bringing all the scrapper sets into line and making that line at the right difficulty (well, it could stand to be a bit harder. I'd welcome a few more nerfs )

Why does everyone automatically go for Nerfs? Lets boost the SR a bit before the regen any further? He's had an utter hammering between the last 2 updates and ED.

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In my opinion Regen has had their day. i3 Regens had an almost godly aura about them. As soon as the chips were down and the team were failing you'd see the Regen scrapper raise his fist in the air accompanied by angels singing "ahhhh" around him. Then you'd see him wading into the fracas...ahh, poetry in motion! With this said, I may have enjoyed Regen better pre-nerfs. purely for having that god-like quality.

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Had their day? A regen scrapper will kick an SR scrapper's ar5e up and down the streets of Warburg. I know, I've done it. Both in Warburg and in the arena. The latter can't match the former head to head.

Having said that I don't know how the SR performs in PvE. I do know my 42nd kat/regen can and has taken on 20 equal lvl mobs (rikti minions) and walked away without popping a signle insp. Which, imho aint too shabby. I've seen him survive when he's so surrounded by Crey I can barely see him (I lost count at 25 and there were LTs in that lot), although that one took a lot os insps to stay in the fight.

So I'm sorry I have to disagree, you go back to I3 and so have a different perspective. The I4 nerf hit when I was too low lvl to notice it and so my persepctive is almost purely I5 and whilst I realise why you may not enjoy your regen scrapper anymore he is still a very powerful addition to any team.

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My comment was merely my light-hearted insight into the "Golden Era" for Regen scrappers. I'm fully aware of how strong Regen scrappers are still...especially in comparison to SR.

In regards to PvP, I've pitted my Regen scrapper against Kianna Cyr (DM/SR) and couldn't lay a hit on her and that was with 2acc enhancement in my attacks. My SR scrapper seems to have more success in PvE.

My Regen scrapper was created when i4 came about and didn't get above lvl36 until after i5. The only experience I've had of MoG in its hayday was from top Regen'ers at that time (such as Ether Knight *scoff* , xLr, Mr ?, Dark Steel ...to name a few). I definately do enjoy my Regen scrapper...however with my style of play I prefer playing SR.



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So I'm sorry I have to disagree, you go back to I3 and so have a different perspective. The I4 nerf hit when I was too low lvl to notice it and so my persepctive is almost purely I5 and whilst I realise why you may not enjoy your regen scrapper anymore he is still a very powerful addition to any team.

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I teamed with Cap alot back in I3 and back then Regen wasn't an addition to the team it was the team. I could happily load a mission for 6-8 people and walk through it alone (yes we were hidesouly overpowered). Regen still is good, its just not God anymore.

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talking about being over-powered...

one word....PERMA-MoG (...that one word? meh...you could say its four words Perma Moment of Glory)


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Why does everyone automatically go for Nerfs? Lets boost the SR a bit before the regen any further? He's had an utter hammering between the last 2 updates and ED.

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For me? Because the game is too easy- especially in the later levels. Ultimatly I think scrappers are balanced, but I would enjoy it more if we were balanced at a lower level- of course that's just my opinion.