I absolutely love spectral terror in PvP. I don't think any team thats actually faced me would agree though 
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Right I was testing out a few builds and was looking at tornado. In the description it says that it debuffs defence so I 6 slotted it 3 defdebuff and 3 damage so I wanted to see how good the debuff was and guess what… Nothing not 1 difference can someone enlighten me please 
Secondly what is the best use for lightning storm?
I tested the end drain on it (it was minimal), not worth the slots, the acc is high so I am not going to put acc into it so 3 damage enhancements and?
Also I have just added spectral terror and deceive to my build, specteral terror is great don’t know why I have never picked it up before now and deceive is quite handy, my initial use for this was going to be PvP against Masterminds but I also found it useful PvE.
Any help would be much appreciated,
Thanks my Friends
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Tornado is horrible. Absolutely useless. Never, ever use it on a team. You have Freezing Rain for debuffing dmg resistance and thats more important than defense anyway. Tornado just makes a mess of everything.
Spectal Terror is the bomb. I was like you, I didn't get it until a lvl 33 respec. But its such a great ability. And the low recharge means you can set up multiple Fear points, great when you get another mob Add steaming in.
As for Lightning Storm I've only just got it but I'm thinking Range enchances are good for it due to its knockback. Since it appears over your head I'm assuming the Range mods affect it's firing range. I've put a single SO in and it seems to increase its range but don't quote me on that.
The knockback means its good at guarding an area. Generally once I've dropped my main attacks (PA, Spec Terror, Flash, Fr Rain, Snowstorm maybe) I'll drop a lightning storm just inside a room, back off slightly so I'm beside the squishes and throw up Hurricane and start Blinding any stragglers.
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Spectal Terror is the bomb. I was like you, I didn't get it until a lvl 33 respec. But its such a great ability. And the low recharge means you can set up multiple Fear points, great when you get another mob Add steaming in.
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Spectral Terror is a pet and because of this you can never have more than 1 out of a time. But it is pretty handy in PvP, just like most fear powers since most builds dont have defences against it.
Spectral Terror is a bit hard to use in PvE cause it isnt very reliable, I find you need something more. Therefor I normally stack it with lingering radiation. The two combined works great, not as good as a hold but close.
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controllers: Ill rad , grav rad, fire kin, ice kin
blaster: ice em
scrapper: spines sr
Really? Hadn't noticed the original disappearing. That said it's usually pretty hectic if I'm being forced to recast ST somewhere else.
The repositioning is handy since the Fear effect lingers anyway. So the premise is still the same. Must do further testing on this actually.
Storm doesn't have lingering radiation so we're stuck with the pseudo-hold of Fear. Which is fine given its AOE. It certainly beats Sleeps.
Well the storm set has lots of pseudo controls like snow storm( slow), freezing rain (the knock down) and thunder clap (mag 2 disorient) also works great. I highly suggest in PvE your use these powers in combination with spectral terror.
Spectral terror isnt quite an AoE, its a pet that uses cone "attacks". Its close to an AoE but not quite, thats one of the reasons you need something more.
And btw tornado simply sucks. It can be anoying for the opponents in PvP(its very situational) but in PvE its allmost useless. I really should remember to atleast try to answer some of the main questions.
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controllers: Ill rad , grav rad, fire kin, ice kin
blaster: ice em
scrapper: spines sr
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Well the storm set has lots of pseudo controls like snow storm( slow), freezing rain (the knock down) and thunder clap (mag 2 disorient) also works great. I highly suggest in PvE your use these powers in combination with spectral terror.
Spectral terror isnt quite an AoE, its a pet that uses cone "attacks". Its close to an AoE but not quite, thats one of the reasons you need something more.
And btw tornado simply sucks. It can be anoying for the opponents in PvP(its very situational) but in PvE its allmost useless. I really should
remember to atleast try to answer some of the main questions.
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FR is about as far from a hold as you can get given the AI reaction (scatter like roaches when the kitchen light comes on). Ok it's a slow scatter and you've got the knockdown to mitigate it but it certainly ain't hold-like.
Snow Storm is a great little power. Always have it on someone (except a runner, in case of adds). I've seen suggested Respecs where people say you could remove it but I'd never do that.
Never actually had Thunder Clap. No room in my build really. Don't have Deceive either. Again, no room at the inn. I like Group Invis and Steamy Mist too much.
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Its about combining powers, you cant just judge the value of a power by looking at what the single power does you need to look at it in combination with other powers. Freezing rain alone scatters enemies but stacked with snow storm and spectral terror and the likes it sudenly becomes very good cause they dont scatter because they cant.
This goes for all power sets, its about finding a synergy between your powers, not just taking the most effective single powers. FX a hold is entirely point less if you cant damage the target, for that you need either a team or an ability to do it your self.
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controllers: Ill rad , grav rad, fire kin, ice kin
blaster: ice em
scrapper: spines sr
Agreed. PA > ST > SS> FR is a great combo.
But it does cause (sloooow) scatter, since the damage from FR breaks the fear cowering of ST, and some fellow teamies just go nuts over it. Not so much nowadays (post I5) since Def had been lowered so the tanks are actually happy that everything isn't focused them.
Hmmm. Now I'm wondering about respeccing to drop O2 and get Thunderclap. O2 heal isn't the best but I like being a box-o-tricks.
O2 boost is without doubt the worst heal in the game, and its secondary effects arent very good. I would aggree get thunder clap instead. If only cause it toggle knocks in PvP.
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controllers: Ill rad , grav rad, fire kin, ice kin
blaster: ice em
scrapper: spines sr
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Spectral terror isnt quite an AoE, its a pet that uses cone "attacks".
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When you summon ST most foes around it do fear it, and then it uses its single target fears to keep most in fear, its like when you use an AoE hold and then keeping most of them held with your single tartget holds.
It is an AoE fear, but only upon summoning
Don't care about PvP at all actually. But the "chaotic control" aspect of Thunderclap fits me nicely.
To the Test Server....
Oh hang on, i've to wait until 17:30. Stupid work...
Same here im dropping 02 boost, group invis and steamy mist
Group invis and Steamy Mist? Why? I love them, but I'm not doing any PvP or intending to
Cause I always forget to click group invis and some ppl dont like it cast onto them and steamy mist is a bit of a waist of time IMHO and also I want more controll i'll let the defender's buff other players
true, Steamy mist isnt that good in PvE, but a must in PvP against mind/illusion and to a lesser extent, ice controllers
BTW thanks for making my day Lady your sig is such a classic
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Exported from Ver: 1.6.6.0 of the CoH_CoV Character Builder
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Name:
Level: 50
Archetype: Controller
Primary: Illusion Control
Secondary: Storm Summoning
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01) --> Spectral Wounds==> Acc(1)Acc(3)Dmg(11)Dmg(11)Dmg(15)
01) --> Gale==> Acc(1)
02) --> Blind==> Acc(2)Acc(3)Hold(5)Hold(5)Hold(7)Rechg(9)
04) --> Snow Storm==> EndRdx(4)Slow(15)Slow(17)Slow(17)
06) --> Hover==> Fly(6)Fly(7)Fly(9)
08) --> Superior Invisibility==> EndRdx(8)
10) --> Swift==> Run(10)Run(46)Run(46)
12) --> Hasten==> Rechg(12)Rechg(13)Rechg(13)
14) --> Fly==> Fly(14)
16) --> Health==> Heal(16)
18) --> Phantom Army==> Rechg(18)Rechg(19)Rechg(19)Acc(23)Dmg(23)Dmg(25)
20) --> Stamina==> EndRec(20)EndRec(21)EndRec(21)
22) --> Freezing Rain==> DefDeBuf(22)DefDeBuf(31)DefDeBuf(31)Rechg(31)Rechg(34)Rechg(34)
24) --> Flash==> Acc(24)Acc(25)Hold(27)Hold(27)Rechg(29)Rechg(29)
26) --> Hurricane==> EndRdx(26)TH_DeBuf(37)TH_DeBuf(37)TH_DeBuf(37)
28) --> Spectral Terror==> Acc(28)Acc(36)Fear(36)Fear(36)Fear(43)
30) --> Deceive==> Acc(30)Acc(39)ConfDur(40)ConfDur(40)
32) --> Phantasm==> Acc(32)Acc(33)Dmg(33)Dmg(33)Dmg(34)
35) --> Thunder Clap==> DisDur(35)DisDur(40)
38) --> Lightning Storm==> Dmg(38)Dmg(39)Dmg(39)EndRdx(42)EndRdx(43)EndRdx(43)
41) --> Conserve Power==> Rechg(41)Rechg(42)Rechg(42)
44) --> Power Blast==> Acc(44)Acc(45)Dmg(45)Dmg(45)Dmg(46)
47) --> Temp Invulnerability==> DmgRes(47)DmgRes(48)DmgRes(48)EndRdx(48)EndRdx(50)
49) --> Power Boost==> Rechg(49)Rechg(50)Rechg(50)
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01) --> Sprint==> Empty(1)
01) --> Brawl==> Empty(1)
01) --> Containment==> Empty(1)
02) --> Rest==> Empty(2)
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Any help will be appreciated,thanks
Pretty aggressive build there. PvP primarily?
Did you do any tests on whether +rng so's affected Thunderstorm? I soloed a mish on Friday with it +rnged and it seemed to make a difference.
I love group invis and steamy mist too much to lose them. But Thunderclap and Deceive would be pretty handy too.
You only took flash at 24. I assume you wouldn't be exemping below 26 anyway?
Wouldn't bother slotting Snow Storm at all, maybe one extra slot so 1 slow & one end reduce. The slow enhances only affects movement speed, not the mobs attack rate. Maybe take the slots from it and put them into Sup Invis for a def boost? Or is it worth it?
Maybe throw a -slow into Freezing Rain instead of a recharge. Just to slow the rate they run out of it if unheld. Although Snow Storm might cover that.
01) --> Spectral Wounds==> Acc(1) Acc(3) Dmg(11) Dmg(11) Dmg(15)
01) --> Gale==> Acc(1)
02) --> Blind==> Acc(2) Acc(3) Hold(5) Hold(5) Hold(7) Rechg(9)
Deserves 1 more recharge
04) --> Snow Storm==> EndRdx(4) Slow(15) Slow(17) Slow(17)
06) --> Hover==> Fly(6) Fly(7) Fly(9)
08) --> Superior Invisibility==> EndRdx(8)
You might wanna put 1 more end rdx in there, if your gonna use it alot.
10) --> Swift==> Run(10) Run(46) Run(46)
12) --> Hasten==> Rechg(12) Rechg(13) Rechg(13)
14) --> Fly==> Fly(14)
16) --> Health==> Heal(16)
18) --> Phantom Army==> Rechg(18) Rechg(19) Rechg(19) Acc(23) Dmg(23) Dmg(25)
3 Dam and 3 recharge is better.
20) --> Stamina==> EndRec(20) EndRec(21) EndRec(21)
22) --> Freezing Rain==> DefDeBuf(22) DefDeBuf(31) DefDeBuf(31) Rechg(31) Rechg(34) Rechg(34)
Remove some of the defence debuffs, and put an end red in there. Defencive sets like SR and Ice got a resistance to defence debuffs, and it doesnt matter that much in PvP.
24) --> Flash==> Acc(24) Acc(25) Hold(27) Hold(27) Rechg(29) Rechg(29)
If you dont exemp much, go with 2-3 acc rest recharge. And use powerboost before you use it.
26) --> Hurricane==> EndRdx(26) TH_DeBuf(37) TH_DeBuf(37) TH_DeBuf(37)
Hurricane could use 1 more end rdx, and you should take hurricane before 26 because of bloody bay.
28) --> Spectral Terror==> Acc(28) Acc(36) Fear(36) Fear(36) Fear(43)
30) --> Deceive==> Acc(30) Acc(39) ConfDur(40) ConfDur(40)
32) --> Phantasm==> Acc(32) Acc(33) Dmg(33) Dmg(33) Dmg(34)
35) --> Thunder Clap==> DisDur(35) DisDur(40)
38) --> Lightning Storm==> Dmg(38) Dmg(39) Dmg(39) EndRdx(42) EndRdx(43) EndRdx(43)
Change 1-2 of the end rdx to recharges.
41) --> Conserve Power==> Rechg(41) Rechg(42) Rechg(42)
44) --> Power Blast==> Acc(44) Acc(45) Dmg(45) Dmg(45) Dmg(46)
Powerblast deserves a recharge also.
47) --> Temp Invulnerability==> DmgRes(47) DmgRes(48) DmgRes(48) EndRdx(48) EndRdx(50)
Loose the end rdx on your TI, its low cost. And atleast 1 much go cause the return is way to low.
49) --> Power Boost==> Rechg(49) Rechg(50) Rechg(50)
Some thoughts
You should get steami mist. It will help alot against blasters and the like trying to kill ya. Its 20% res to fire/cold, energy base, that pretty good.
A personal preference, take conserve power at lvl 49 instead. So you take Powerblast, then TI, then Powerboost then conserve power.
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controllers: Ill rad , grav rad, fire kin, ice kin
blaster: ice em
scrapper: spines sr
"You should get steamy mist. It will help alot against blasters and the like trying to kill ya. Its 20% res to fire/cold, energy base, that pretty good"
Is that true? if it is I will drop sup invis and take group inv+steamy mist,Also ive been playing with confuse and its a bit situational so im gonna drop it.
Yep. Steamy Mist is 20% Dmg Res for those types.
It plus Group Invis plus Hurricane is the reason I said Ill/Storm offers pretty good fellow-squishy protection.
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Spectral terror isnt quite an AoE, its a pet that uses cone "attacks". Its close to an AoE but not quite, thats one of the reasons you need something more.
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How spectral terror works exactly, i dont know. But I do know it works in 2fold.
1) The presence of the spectral terror makes most enemies scared and just kind stand there making silly guestures (aoe)
2) Then he starts shooting to make enemies run away (i think it makes them run anyway.. ) (cone)
The running away part is a shame if you have huge aoe dmg in your team, but the dmg control of the "make most of em just stand there" is awesome. Especially if you combine it with radiation the dmg of big groups is a fraction of what it can be. It's awesome.
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2) Then he starts shooting to make enemies run away (i think it makes them run anyway.. ) (cone)
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It's not a cone, it's a single target attack
Right I was testing out a few builds and was looking at tornado. In the description it says that it debuffs defence so I 6 slotted it 3 defdebuff and 3 damage so I wanted to see how good the debuff was and guess what Nothing not 1 difference can someone enlighten me please
Secondly what is the best use for lightning storm?
I tested the end drain on it (it was minimal), not worth the slots, the acc is high so I am not going to put acc into it so 3 damage enhancements and?
Also I have just added spectral terror and deceive to my build, specteral terror is great dont know why I have never picked it up before now and deceive is quite handy, my initial use for this was going to be PvP against Masterminds but I also found it useful PvE.
Any help would be much appreciated,
Thanks my Friends