Exemplaring Follow Up Question

Hi all, so I've decided to start exemping for Oro mishes and the occasional TF and zone pvp. So, what is the best way to go about slotting my powers?

A) Overslotting/frankenslotting with 50's
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B) spending big or not so big bucks and getting say...30th level sets or so?

Thanks,

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Hi all, so I've decided to start exemping for Oro mishes and the occasional TF and zone pvp. So, what is the best way to go about slotting my powers?

A) Overslotting/frankenslotting with 50's
or
B) spending big or not so big bucks and getting say...30th level sets or so?

Thanks,

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To help answer your question, it would help if you gave some more info.

First of all, I gather your toon is already level 50?

Next, what archetype is he? Blaster? Brute? Tank?

What primary and secondary power sets? (eg. fire/devices blaster).
What powers did you take? (you could post your basic build from mids to help with this!).

What do you want to focus most on? Damage? Defense? Buffs? etc

Thats a toughie. I tend to go with B, but you can make very cheap and worthwile 'over slotted' builds that work great. (my Rad for example has 6 slotted Rad infection, which a lot is 'wasted' at high levels but he makes any low level content very smooth running)

I guess that boils down to, no one way is better and go with your preference

If you plan on doing it all the time.. I suppose you could use your second build to slot the lvl 30 sets. This will allow you to add more slots to your lower lvl powers as well. Then switch back to your original build for running lvl 50 content.

QR: What sort of budget are you working with?

I tend to go with "B" as well. Most of my enhancements and sets on most of my characters will work as low as 30th lvl. PvP and if I thought I'd be regularly going below this lvl for exemping and I'd consider a second build to handle doing so. Once you are in the redzone for ED on the enhancing an aspect of a power (which can readily happen using sets as low as 30'ish) there's going to be very little difference between using those level 30-33 enhancements and using lvl 50 versions and you'll keep all the set bonuses involved as well.

For example, Ablating Strike slotted with lvl 32 Crushing Impact is (rounded to whole) Acc 40% Dam 95% Endred 40% Rech 58% doing per Mids 188 damage while at lvl 50 those values are Acc 48% Dam 98% Endred 48% Rech 69% doing 191 damage (and recharging 0.07 seconds faster ) Keeping in mind the fact that from lvl 29 to 46 I'm keeping the set bonuses of the lvl 32 set of Crushing Impact and you can see why I rarely slot lvl 50's for sets (for powers available at that level).

See this thread.

Figure out where the balance point is for you between Enhancement percentage and Set Bonus availability on a power-by-power basis. Depending on where it's going and what it gives, I'll slot anywhere between lv34 and lv41 Set Enh. Make use of Mids Hero Designer's slotting function where you can flip between two slotting schemes in a power to look at the actual effect on End-cost, recharge time, etc.

Also keep in mind the exemplar effects on enhancements. You lose the bonus if you go more then 3 levels below the enhancement, or if you lose access to the power. So for powers you take at higher levels you can slot higher level enhancements.

Personally I prefer to use level 33 enhancements in the powers I take at 30 or lower, but the in higher level powers I'll use enhancements that are +3 above the level I take the power at. Though in some cases I'll use a higher level IO if I consider the enhancement value more important than the bonus.

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Also keep in mind the exemplar effects on enhancements. You lose the bonus if you go more then 3 levels below the enhancement, or if you lose access to the power. So for powers you take at higher levels you can slot higher level enhancements.


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But for Set Bonuses, you only lose the bonus if you go 3 below the enhancements' levels.

You retain set bonuses even if you loose access to the power due to exemplaring.

What the.. I swear that wasn't there the last time I read that, but it has been probably 4 months. Hmm, yes the page has definitely changed since I saw it last.

I guess I need to re-evaluate my slotting, and that'll teach me to link to something and then talk about it without double checking it.

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Also keep in mind the exemplar effects on enhancements. You lose the bonus if you go more then 3 levels below the enhancement, or if you lose access to the power. So for powers you take at higher levels you can slot higher level enhancements.


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But for Set Bonuses, you only lose the bonus if you go 3 below the enhancements' levels.

You retain set bonuses even if you loose access to the power due to exemplaring.

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I believe for regular Set Bonuses you lose the bonus if you are 3 levels below the Enh level OR you no longer have access to the power they are slotted in.

Its more than 3 levels below the enhancement.

Having access to the power doesn't come into it. Various PvPers tested this thoroughly, looking to optomise builds at the various zone levels.

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What the.. I swear that wasn't there the last time I read that, but it has been probably 4 months. Hmm, yes the page has definitely changed since I saw it last.

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You're welcome.


Yeah, just a few months ago I went through all the IO pages on the Wiki and codified How They Work since there were competing theories as well as actual changes over time and some pages were updated while others weren't. I tested everything in the game to make sure it matched what was on the Wiki, so, all the exemplaring rules of when Bonuses work and don't work are correct on the Wiki unless there's a bug or a stealth change from the Devs.


For Set Bonuses and Special IOs that work like Set Bonuses (called 'Globals'), you lose the Set Bonus if you exemplar *more than* 3 levels under the level of the IOs. Whether the power is activated or even available doesn't matter.

For Special IOs called 'Procs', the level of the Special IO doesn't matter -- you can be 30 levels under the level of the Proc and it will still work provided you still have access to the power and it is activated.

It's all there in that link.

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For Set Bonuses and Special IOs that work like Set Bonuses (called 'Globals'), you lose the Set Bonus if you exemplar *more than* 3 levels under the level of the IOs. Whether the power is activated or even available doesn't matter.

For Special IOs called 'Procs', the level of the Special IO doesn't matter -- you can be 30 levels under the level of the Proc and it will still work provided you still have access to the power and it is activated.

It's all there in that link.

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On Paragonwiki the Uniques from Gladiator's Armor and Shield Wall are listed as Globals and that their Resistance-to-all or Def-to-all bonus will disappear if you exemplar below -3 to their stamped-level.

All of the "PVP" IOs act like Purples and give whatever bonus they provide from 1-50. You gain the bonus from these IOs independant of either their stamped-level or access to the power they are slotted in. I can confirm this from having lv50 examples of both IOs.


Furthermore, I have a lv40 Numina's Convalescence Regen/Rec Unique slotted on my Brute in Health at lv18. This IO is again listed as a Global; ceasing to operate at -3 to the level stamped on the enh. I just went into Ouroboros and auto-exemplared myself down to 14 (1st mission tier). After waiting two minutes, the bonus from Numina's vanished from Combat Attributes.

I then autoexemplared myself to lv19 (2nd mission tier) and waited 120 seconds again. The Numina's bonus remained.

The Numina's Convalescence Unique operates independantly of the level stamped upon the enh, but the power it is slotted in must be available.

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The Numina's Convalescence Unique operates independantly of the level stamped upon the enh, but the power it is slotted in must be available.

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The Numia's (as well as Regenerative Tissue's & Miracle's) unique is a 120, not a global.

As a 120, it doesn't care what level you are, just that the power it's in has been activated - at which point it will continue to work for the next 120 seconds (Like a proc, but with a 100% chance).

If it is listed as a global and not a 120, then someone has changed it to mis-information, but last I checked paragonwiki.com it had the right info.

EDIT: Just checked the wiki - it calls the enhancement unique (only 1 may be slotted per build) but not a global.

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EDIT: Just checked the wiki - it calls the enhancement unique (only 1 may be slotted per build) but not a global.

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That just got removed from this page between the time my post went up and your edit did. They used to have the globe next to them and the Shield Wall/Gladiator's Armor uniques still do.

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For Set Bonuses and Special IOs that work like Set Bonuses (called 'Globals'), you lose the Set Bonus if you exemplar *more than* 3 levels under the level of the IOs. Whether the power is activated or even available doesn't matter.

For Special IOs called 'Procs', the level of the Special IO doesn't matter -- you can be 30 levels under the level of the Proc and it will still work provided you still have access to the power and it is activated.

It's all there in that link.

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On Paragonwiki the Uniques from Gladiator's Armor and Shield Wall are listed as Globals and that their Resistance-to-all or Def-to-all bonus will disappear if you exemplar below -3 to their stamped-level.

All of the "PVP" IOs act like Purples and give whatever bonus they provide from 1-50. You gain the bonus from these IOs independant of either their stamped-level or access to the power they are slotted in. I can confirm this from having lv50 examples of both IOs.

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The PvP Sets were added after my run-through of the pages. So, someone added them with the wrong info, which is understandable, since they're a new category of Special IOs, namely, they're 'always on' like Globals, but you can't underexemplar them, like Procs.

I changed the wording in the Global flag template to address the PvP exception to the rule and took out their Proc-ness.



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Furthermore, I have a lv40 Numina's Convalescence Regen/Rec Unique slotted on my Brute in Health at lv18. This IO is again listed as a Global; ceasing to operate at -3 to the level stamped on the enh. I just went into Ouroboros and auto-exemplared myself down to 14 (1st mission tier). After waiting two minutes, the bonus from Numina's vanished from Combat Attributes.

I then autoexemplared myself to lv19 (2nd mission tier) and waited 120 seconds again. The Numina's bonus remained.

The Numina's Convalescence Unique operates independently of the level stamped upon the enh, but the power it is slotted in must be available.

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On this page: http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Table_of_Special_IOs , it's listed as a Proc120, i.e., not a global and concurs with your testing.

On this page: http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Numina%2...ation/Recovery , it was not listed as a Global, which would be wrong, but neither was it listed as a Proc120. The Wiki gurus haven't made a Proc120 template, but, I'll get after them about it. Meanwhile, I added 'Proc' to that page.

Do you have a link where it specifically says this Proc120 is incorrectly listed as a Global?



(BTW, with regard to the terms 'Global' and 'Proc', that's the best we got so far in absence of clearly defined Dev terminology, see my discussion of the unfortunate terms here: http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Inventio...ts#Terminology )

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EDIT: Just checked the wiki - it calls the enhancement unique (only 1 may be slotted per build) but not a global.

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That just got removed from this page between the time my post went up and your edit did. They used to have the globe next to them and the Shield Wall/Gladiator's Armor uniques still do.

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Nothing was changed on that page until I just edited it *after* your post. As I mentioned above, the Global designation should be correct since I changed the definition of Global to take into account the PvP exception. I removed the Proc designation from those two PvP Special IOs.

Please show where Numina's was listed as a global. I really want to know so that it can be corrected.

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Nothing was changed on that page until I just edited it *after* your post. As I mentioned above, the Global designation should be correct since I changed the definition of Global to take into account the PvP exception. I removed the Proc designation from those two PvP Special IOs.

Please show where Numina's was listed as a global. I really want to know so that it can be corrected.

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It was listed as a global with the little globe icon on that page while I typed up my post this morning. It was listed for both Numina's and Miracle uniques. Now it is not. I don't know what the editing history of the page says, but it was there this morning; it's part of the reason I made the post.

The build is for a DM/SD scrapper, I'll probally start out dropping 100 mill or so then upgrading as I get the inf. I'll be using the build to run everything from TFs to Oro and getting nukes and shivan shards.

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The game doesn't scale down bonuses that are small to begin with. Any individual benefits of 20% or less are unaffected by Exemplaring down as far as level 21. Enhancement benefits of 10% or less are unaffected by Exemplaring to levels 11-20. Benefits of 5% or less are never reduced by Exemplaring

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Defence is schedule B and can really do some nice exemplar builds by slotting a lot of Dual aspect IOs. Any dual aspect /def of def/ will be at full strength down to level 21.

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