Ill/kin Build?

Anyone have a good Ill/Kin build and/or guide for post i-10? Only things I'm finding on here is i9 or prior.

Thanks!

This my build on my Ill/Kin, I enjoy it quite a bit.

Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1.401
http://www.cohplanner.com/

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Level 50 Magic Controller
Primary Power Set: Illusion Control
Secondary Power Set: Kinetics
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Teleportation
Ancillary Pool: Psionic Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Blind -- Lock-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(A), Lock-Acc/Hold(7), Lock-EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(9), Lock-Rchg/Hold(9), Lock-Acc/Rchg(11), Lock-%Hold(13)
Level 1: Transfusion -- Nictus-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(A), Nictus-Heal(3), Nictus-Acc/EndRdx/Heal/HP/Regen(3), Nictus-Acc/Heal(5), Nictus-Heal/HP/Regen/Rchg(5), Nictus-%Dam(7)
Level 2: Siphon Power -- Acc-I(A)
Level 4: Deceive -- Mlais-Acc/Conf/Rchg(A), Mlais-Acc/Rchg(17), Mlais-EndRdx/Conf(37), Mlais-Acc/EndRdx(39), Mlais-Conf/Rng(39), Mlais-Dam%(39)
Level 6: Swift -- Run-I(A)
Level 8: Superior Invisibility -- RedFtn-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(A), RedFtn-EndRdx/Rchg(48), RedFtn-Def/Rchg(48), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx(48), RedFtn-Def(50), RedFtn-EndRdx(50)
Level 10: Siphon Speed -- TmpRdns-EndRdx/Rchg/Slow(A), TmpRdns-Acc/Slow(11), TmpRdns-Dmg/Slow(13), TmpRdns-Acc/Dmg/Slow(15), TmpRdns-Rng/Slow(15), TmpRdns-Acc/EndRdx(17)
Level 12: Combat Jumping -- DefBuff-I(A)
Level 14: Super Jump -- Jump-I(A)
Level 16: Health -- Heal-I(A)
Level 18: Phantom Army -- ExRmnt-EndRdx/Dmg/Rchg(A), ExRmnt-Acc/Rchg(19), ExRmnt-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(19), ExRmnt-Dmg/EndRdx(23), ExRmnt-Acc/Dmg(25), ExRmnt-+Res(Pets)(25)
Level 20: Stamina -- EndMod-I(A), EndMod-I(21), EndMod-I(21)
Level 22: Speed Boost -- EndMod-I(A), EndMod-I(23)
Level 24: Acrobatics -- EndRdx-I(A), EndRdx-I(29)
Level 26: Spectral Terror -- Abys-Acc/Fear/Rchg(A), Abys-Acc/Rchg(27), Abys-EndRdx/Fear(27), Abys-Acc/EndRdx(29), Abys-Fear/Rng(31), Abys-Dam%(33)
Level 28: Flash -- Lock-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(A), Lock-Acc/Hold(43), Lock-EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(43), Lock-Rchg/Hold(43), Lock-Acc/Rchg(46), Lock-%Hold(50)
Level 30: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(31), RechRdx-I(31)
Level 32: Phantasm -- SvgnRt-Acc/Dmg(A), SvgnRt-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(33), SvgnRt-Acc/EndRdx(33), SvgnRt-Dmg/EndRdx(34), SvgnRt-Acc(34), SvgnRt-PetResDam(34)
Level 35: Transference -- Efficacy-EndMod/Acc(A), Efficacy-EndMod(36), Efficacy-EndMod/Rchg(36), Efficacy-EndMod/EndRdx(36), Efficacy-Acc/Rchg(37), Efficacy-EndMod/Acc/Rchg(37)
Level 38: Fulcrum Shift -- Acc-I(A), Acc-I(40), RechRdx-I(40), RechRdx-I(40), RechRdx-I(42)
Level 41: Indomitable Will -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(42), RechRdx-I(42)
Level 44: Mind Over Body -- Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx(A), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(45), Aegis-EndRdx/Rchg(45), Aegis-ResDam/Rchg(45), Aegis-ResDam(46), Aegis-Psi/Status(46)
Level 47: Recall Friend -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 49: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Containment
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[u]Set Bonus Totals:[u]<ul type="square">[*]16% DamageBuff(Smashing)[*]16% DamageBuff(Lethal)[*]16% DamageBuff(Fire)[*]16% DamageBuff(Cold)[*]16% DamageBuff(Energy)[*]16% DamageBuff(Negative)[*]16% DamageBuff(Toxic)[*]16% DamageBuff(Psionic)[*]1.56% Defense(Smashing)[*]1.56% Defense(Lethal)[*]7.19% Defense(Fire)[*]7.19% Defense(Cold)[*]9.06% Defense(Energy)[*]9.06% Defense(Negative)[*]3.13% Defense(Melee)[*]18.1% Defense(Ranged)[*]9.69% Defense(AoE)[*]3.15% Max End[*]2.75% Enhancement(Terrorized)[*]1.5% Enhancement(JumpHeight)[*]1.5% Enhancement(FlySpeed)[*]1.5% Enhancement(RunSpeed)[*]1.5% Enhancement(JumpSpeed)[*]32.5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)[*]18% Enhancement(Accuracy)[*]2.5% Enhancement(Confused)[*]5% Enhancement(Held)[*]5% Enhancement(Heal)[*]49.6 HP (4.88%) HitPoints[*]MezResist(Confused) 5.25%[*]MezResist(Held) 9.65%[*]MezResist(Immobilize) 4.7%[*]MezResist(Sleep) 5.25%[*]MezResist(Stun) 5.25%[*]MezResist(Terrorized) 2.5%[*]5.5% (0.09 End/sec) Recovery[*]20% (0.85 HP/sec) Regeneration[*]20% Resistance(Smashing)[*]20% Resistance(Lethal)[*]21.3% Resistance(Fire)[*]21.3% Resistance(Cold)[*]20% Resistance(Energy)[*]23.8% Resistance(Negative)[*]23.1% Resistance(Toxic)[*]26.1% Resistance(Psionic)[*]5% RunSpeed[*]2.5% XPDebtProtection[/list]------------
[u]Set Bonuses:[u]
[u]Lockdown[u]
(Blind)<ul type="square">[*] 3% DamageBuff(All)[*] 2.5% Enhancement(Held)[*] MezResist(Held) 2.2%[*] 2.5% Defense(AoE), 1.25% Defense(Fire), 1.25% Defense(Cold)[*] 3.75% Defense(Ranged), 1.88% Defense(Energy), 1.88% Defense(Negative)[/list][u]Touch of the Nictus[u]
(Transfusion)<ul type="square">[*] 19.1 HP (1.88%) HitPoints[*] 9% Enhancement(Accuracy)[*] 5% Enhancement(Heal)[*] 2.25% Max End[*] 3.75% Resistance(Negative)[/list][u]Malaise's Illusions[u]
(Deceive)<ul type="square">[*] 2.5% (0.04 End/sec) Recovery[*] 2.5% Enhancement(Confused)[*] 2.5% DamageBuff(All)[*] 6.25% Enhancement(RechargeTime)[*] 3.13% Defense(Ranged), 1.56% Defense(Energy), 1.56% Defense(Negative)[/list][u]Red Fortune[u]
(Superior Invisibility)<ul type="square">[*] MezResist(Immobilize) 2.2%[*] 1.26% Resistance(Fire,Cold)[*] 2% DamageBuff(All)[*] 5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)[*] 2.5% Defense(Ranged), 1.25% Defense(Energy), 1.25% Defense(Negative)[/list][u]Tempered Readiness[u]
(Siphon Speed)<ul type="square">[*] 1.5% (0.03 End/sec) Recovery[*] 1.5% Enhancement(Slow)[*] 0.9% Max End[*] 3.75% Enhancement(RechargeTime)[*] 1.88% Defense(Ranged), 0.94% Defense(Energy), 0.94% Defense(Negative)[/list][u]Expedient Reinforcement[u]
(Phantom Army)<ul type="square">[*] Status Resistance 2.5%[*] 3% DamageBuff(All)[*] 6.25% Enhancement(RechargeTime)[*] 10% (0.42 HP/sec) Regeneration[*] 3.13% Defense(Ranged), 1.56% Defense(Energy), 1.56% Defense(Negative)[*] 10% Resistance(All)[/list][u]Glimpse of the Abyss[u]
(Spectral Terror)<ul type="square">[*] 2.75% Enhancement(Terrorized)[*] 19.1 HP (1.88%) HitPoints[*] 9% Enhancement(Accuracy)[*] 6.25% Enhancement(RechargeTime)[*] 3.13% Resistance(Psionic)[/list][u]Lockdown[u]
(Flash)<ul type="square">[*] 3% DamageBuff(All)[*] 2.5% Enhancement(Held)[*] MezResist(Held) 2.2%[*] 2.5% Defense(AoE), 1.25% Defense(Fire), 1.25% Defense(Cold)[*] 3.75% Defense(Ranged), 1.88% Defense(Energy), 1.88% Defense(Negative)[/list][u]Sovereign Right[u]
(Phantasm)<ul type="square">[*] MezResist(Sleep) 2.75%[*] MezResist(Confused) 2.75%[*] MezResist(Stun) 2.75%[*] MezResist(Held) 2.75%[*] 3.13% Defense(Melee), 1.56% Defense(Lethal), 1.56% Defense(Smashing)[*] 10% Resistance(All)[/list][u]Efficacy Adaptor[u]
(Transference)<ul type="square">[*] 11.4 HP (1.13%) HitPoints[*] 1.5% (0.03 End/sec) Recovery[*] 10% (0.42 HP/sec) Regeneration[*] 2.5% DamageBuff(All)[*] 5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)[/list][u]Aegis[u]
(Mind Over Body)<ul type="square">[*] 5% RunSpeed[*] 3.13% Defense(Fire,Cold), 1.56% Defense(AoE)[*] 2.5% XPDebtProtection[*] 3.13% Defense(AoE), 1.56% Defense(Fire), 1.56% Defense(Cold)[*] 3.13% Resistance(Toxic)[*] 3% Resistance(Psionic)[/list]


JJ

Hi, build looks good to me!
I'm looking to make a general purpose controller, for solo, missions in team, AEing... Even a bit of PvP if possible. The Illusion part seems very allround for me and should help the solo part, but Kinetics looks very inferior to e.g. /rad when it comes to playing solo, and for PvP as well.

Any Ill/Kin controllers out there who can share their experiences with playing solo or PvP? Perhaps anyone could recommend a different controller build that would suit me better? I like many parts of the Ill part, and I've always wanted a /kin, but maybe I'm better off making one Ill/Rad (for example) and one devoted /kin?

Thank you!

For the most part the posted build is ok. It's got one glaring problem - it can't do any damage. Part of Illusion controls ability to control an environment is that Spectral Wounds kills thing quickly. Leaving it out of a build makes you less useful on teams, and almost completely incapable of soloing.

If you were to switch out Superior Invisibility for Spectral Wounds, and take it earlier, and Switch out Flash for Air Superiority, again taking it earlier, you would have something close to how my Ill/Kin is built. I also went with the Stone AP because Fissure + Hasten + Siphon Speed + Fulcrum Shift = perma-stunned dead mobs. Add in Seismic Smash and you you've got a single target attack that will one-shot contained minions.

If you really want to solo, and to help speed things along on smaller teams, you will need some damage potential other than PA. PA wounds things, it's up to you to kill them before they heal back the illusory damage.

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Hi, build looks good to me!
I'm looking to make a general purpose controller, for solo, missions in team, AEing... Even a bit of PvP if possible. The Illusion part seems very allround for me and should help the solo part, but Kinetics looks very inferior to e.g. /rad when it comes to playing solo, and for PvP as well.

Any Ill/Kin controllers out there who can share their experiences with playing solo or PvP? Perhaps anyone could recommend a different controller build that would suit me better? I like many parts of the Ill part, and I've always wanted a /kin, but maybe I'm better off making one Ill/Rad (for example) and one devoted /kin?

Thank you!

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Everything you could want to know about an Ill/Rad is in my freshly posted guide, linked in my sig. There is a ton of general information on Illusion, too, plus strategies.

Ill/Kin is good because both Illusion and Kinetics are such good sets, but they have some significant synergy problems. Phantom Army, the most inportant power in the Illusion set, cannot be buffed. Thus, you need Resistance Debuffs to help them do more damage, and Defense Debuffs to help them hit more often. Kinetics doesn't have either. What Kinetics does have is Recharge to help PA come back faster . . . but you need a foe to siphon off of.

Illusion doesn't have an AoE damage power, so Fulcrum Shift loses a lot of its shine. More importantly, Phantasm does a lot of knockback, often knocking back foes that you are using as your target for siphon powers like Transfusion, Transference, Siphon Speed, Siphon Power and Funcrum Shift. This causes a lot of Ill/Kins to not use Phantasm -- a major source of damage.

Ill/Rad is popular for many reasons. Radiation is the only set with Defense Debuff, Resistance Debuff and a Recharge buff. I would rank Ill/Storm and Ill/TA, and maybe Ill/Therm, all above Ill/Kin. (I've played Ill/Rad, Ill/Storm and Ill/TA all to 50, and have an Ill/Kin.)

Oh, and on that build? Skipping Spectral Wounds is a big mistake in my opinion. Blind at 1, SW should be taken at 2, Deceive at 4, and then start looking at your Kin powers. Siphon Power is nice to have, but can be skipped. Also, the 10% Pet Resistance IO from Expediant is wasted in Phantom Army since they don't take any damage. Tempered Readiness in Siphon Speed is a mistake -- Siphon Speed needs Accuracy and max Recharge. I see some other problems, too. I would skip Acrobatics to fit in more useful powers. Getting a -knockback IO would replace Acrobatics.

I'm not the original poster, but I still want to thank for the helpful input! Ill/rad still sounds very tempting to me, but your comments makes me still have hope for Ill/Kin. The perma-stun cast chain sounds very interesting, for example.

I don't solo, ever.

I always got people on &amp; ready to rock n roll, so the control part is just fine


JJ

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rank Ill/Storm and Ill/TA, and maybe Ill/Therm, all above Ill/Kin. (I've played Ill/Rad, Ill/Storm and Ill/TA all to 50, and have an Ill/Kin.)

Oh, and on that build? Skipping Spectral Wounds is a big mistake in my opinion. Blind at 1, SW should be taken at 2, Deceive at 4, and then start looking at your Kin powers. Siphon Power is nice to have, but can be skipped. Also, the 10% Pet Resistance IO from Expediant is wasted in Phantom Army since they don't take any damage. Tempered Readiness in Siphon Speed is a mistake -- Siphon Speed needs Accuracy and max Recharge. I see some other problems, too. I would skip Acrobatics to fit in more useful powers. Getting a -knockback IO would replace Acrobatics.

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Agree on all counts, above. In fact, my 50 Ill/Kin AV hunter doesn't have any knockback mitigation at all. If you're playing an Ill/ and you're getting targeted more than once in a blue moon, you're doing something wrong. Between Superior Invisibility and your pets, you shouldn't be the focus of aggro very often at all. KB is a minor inconvenience.

Definitely concur with loading Siphon Speed up with Accuracy and Recharge. I've tried to up the stacking overlap as much as possible (this character has a ton of sets which boost global recharge...she's 5 seconds from perma-PA, with one more purple set's 10% global recharge reduction in the works). Your DPS and survivability both depend on fast recharge.

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I don't solo, ever.

I always got people on &amp; ready to rock n roll, so the control part is just fine


JJ

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When you post a build, you should explain why you might have skipped powers that most people have taken. Just to clear things up. It is pretty common for Ill/Kin builds to solo, so if you never do and your build is designed to be team-only, you should explain that.

Here's my latest build for an Ill/Kin I have a lot of fun with. I just got my 60-month, so you'll notice I skipped Hover.

Level 1: Spectral Wounds Thundr-Acc/Dmg:35(A), Thundr-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:40(3), Thundr-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:40(9), Thundr-Dmg/Rchg:40(25), Dev'n-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:40(29), Dev'n-Hold%:40(31)
Level 1: Transfusion Theft-Acc/Heal:30(A), Nictus-Acc/Heal:40(3), Theft-Heal/Rchg:30(9), Nictus-Heal/HP/Regen/Rchg:40(17), Numna-Heal/Rchg:40(17)
Level 2: Blind UbrkCons-Hold:50(A), UbrkCons-Hold/Rchg:50(5), UbrkCons-Acc/Hold/Rchg:50(7), UbrkCons-Acc/Rchg:50(15), UbrkCons-EndRdx/Hold:50(15), UbrkCons-Dam%:50(31)
Level 4: Deceive Pplx-Acc/Rchg:50(A), Pplx-Acc/Conf/Rchg:50(5), Mlais-Acc/Rchg:50(42), Mlais-Acc/Conf/Rchg:50(43), Mlais-Dam%:50(43)
Level 6: Hasten RechRdx-I:40(A), RechRdx-I:40(7)
Level 8: Swift Flight-I:40(A)
Level 10: Siphon Speed P'ngTtl-Acc/Slow:40(A), P'ngTtl-Acc/EndRdx:40(11), P'ngTtl-EndRdx/Rchg/Slow:40(11), P'ngTtl--Rchg%:50(42)
Level 12: Flash Lock-Acc/Hold:40(A), Lock-Acc/Rchg:40(13), Lock-Rchg/Hold:40(13), G'Wdw-Acc/Hold/Rchg:40(27), G'Wdw-Acc/Rchg:40(31), EoCur-Acc/Hold/Rchg:40(34)
Level 14: Fly Flight-I:40(A)
Level 16: Health Numna-Regen/Rcvry+:40(A)
Level 18: Phantom Army ExRmnt-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:40(A), C'Arms-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:30(19), ExRmnt-EndRdx/Dmg/Rchg:30(19), C'Arms-EndRdx/Dmg/Rchg:30(21), ExRmnt-Acc/Rchg:40(23), ExRmnt-Acc/Dmg:40(23)
Level 20: Stamina P'Shift-EndMod:40(A), P'Shift-End%:40(21)
Level 22: Speed Boost EndMod-I:40(A)
Level 24: Superior Invisibility LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx:40(A), LkGmblr-Rchg+:40(25)
Level 26: Spectral Terror Abys-Acc/Rchg:40(A), Abys-Acc/EndRdx:40(27), Abys-Fear/Rng:40(37), Abys-Acc/Fear/Rchg:50(40), Abys-Dam%:50(40)
Level 28: Group Invisibility LkGmblr-Rchg+:40(A), LkGmblr-Def/Rchg:40(29), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx:50(46), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg:50(46)
Level 30: Challenge Empty(A) <-- in there so I can pick up Intimdate later)
Level 32: Phantasm BldM'dt-Acc/Dmg:40(A), SvgnRt-Acc/Dmg:40(33), BriL'shp-Dmg:40(33), BriL'shp-Acc/Dmg:40(33), FrcFbk-Rechg%:40(34), ExStrk-Dam%:20(34)
Level 35: Transference Efficacy-EndMod/Acc/Rchg:40(A), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc/Rchg:40(36), Efficacy-EndMod/Rchg:40(36), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg:40(36), EnManip-EndMod/Rchg:20(37), EnManip-Stun%:20(37)
Level 38: Fulcrum Shift Acc-I:50(A), Acc-I:50(39), RechRdx-I:50(39), RechRdx-I:50(39), RechRdx-I:50(40)
Level 41: Ice Blast Thundr-Dmg/Rchg:50(A), Thundr-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(42), Dev'n-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(43), Dev'n-Hold%:50(45), Thundr-Acc/Dmg:50(45), Thundr-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(46)
Level 44: Frozen Armor LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx:50(45)
Level 47: Ice Storm Posi-Acc/Dmg:50(A), Posi-Dmg/EndRdx:50(48), Posi-Dmg/Rchg:50(48), Posi-Dmg/Rng:50(48), Posi-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:50(50), Posi-Dam%:50(50)
Level 49: Intimidate Abys-Acc/Fear/Rchg:50(A), Abys-Dam%:50(50)