Call Thugs could use another Acc.
You can afford to put some stun durations in Howling Twilight.
Slotting another endurance reduction in darkest night would be good.
Call bruiser also would use another acc.
Slotting more endurance reduction in equip and upgrade are also viable.
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HelinCarnate:OMG it is so terrible. I have the option to take 3 more powers but no additional slots. Boo F'ing hoo.
Between Tactics, Supremacy, and the enforcer's tactics also slotted with + to hit, I don't think he needs more accuracy in his pets. I don't know what to add, but I don't think it is accuracy.
Why not throw them in health and stamina, then pu 6 enhancement sets in them?
"The danger is not that a particular class is unfit to govern. Every class is unfit to govern." Lord Acton
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You skipped Shadow Fall and Petrifying Gaze?
Weird.
Anyway, you have lots of places you could put slots. First, if you take Petrifying Gaze, it needs 6 total slots, and Shadow Fall can use a total of 3 or 4.
Your Bruiser and your Maneuvers need at least 1 slot each. It wouldnt hurt to put one on Tactics also for more endurance reduction.
Dark Embrace could use another slot, and Night Fall could use at least one more, maybe 2.
Of course, your Super Jump probably doesnt need any slots in it, and since you arent really going for a defense and -def stacking build, I dont think Combat Jumping needs the extra slot. That'd save you 3 more.
Some of your slotting is weird. Why do you have Recharge in Oppressive Gloom? It is a stun toggle, and if you turn it off, the recharge is already fairly short to simply turn it back on.
Anyway, good luck!
Lewis
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"I remember... the Alamo." -- Pee-wee Herman
"Oh don't worry. I always leave things to the last moment." -- The Doctor
"Telescopes are time machines." -- Carl Sagan
I actually didn't know it was a Toggle, This is my first char who's made it past 40.
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Your Bruiser and your Maneuvers need at least 1 slot each.
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A slot of what? EndRdx?
I Probably will take Shadowfall, once I decide what power to drop. I'm kinda lost when it comes to sets, so any tips/ideas on that.
Well, for the Maneuvers, I like 4 slots total in mine, so I can run either 1 generic END and 3 generic defense, OR so that I can use crafted IOs and place 4 different end/def IOs in it. You can max defense and end reduction in 4 slots that way.
As for the bruiser, there are a TON of options for him. At the very least, I'd want 2 acc, 3 damage, and 1 end reducer, just so he doesnt wear out in long fights. But there are lots of other great options. He very frequently does handclap, which stuns, so he is actually pretty slick with 2 stun IOs in him. I like to put Acc/Dam, Acc/Dam/End, Acc/Dam, and Acc/Dam in him from different pet set crafted IOs. That maxes his acc and damage and gives him some endurance reduction. Then I can throw 2 stun IOs in there so that when he hand claps, things spend more time wobbling around.
Hey, ya can't knock the safety. 
Lewis
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"I remember... the Alamo." -- Pee-wee Herman
"Oh don't worry. I always leave things to the last moment." -- The Doctor
"Telescopes are time machines." -- Carl Sagan
looks stunned you didnt take shadow fall....were do you live i need to shake some sense into u...jesus man thugs is all about def and 6 sloted my shadow fall puts me a the soft cap with the rest ot my set bonuses and enforcer def buff and makes it so u can walk right up to mobs and gives godd rez to(dont shot me if im wrong im at work and cant look) like neg energy and psi i think so go log on and fix this problem now if ur on guardian stop on bye ill show u my 50 thug/dark @Captin Lemming
AE MM no doubt.... I bet he never played the class to that level from lvl 1... picking up stamina @ 24...
/sigh..
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AE MM no doubt.... I bet he never played the class to that level from lvl 1... picking up stamina @ 24...
/sigh..
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I wouldn't fault him for that. Between all the dark powers, thugs, enforcers, gangwar, bruiser, getting stamina before level 32 can force some hard decisions.
Shadowfall is too good to do without.
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HelinCarnate:OMG it is so terrible. I have the option to take 3 more powers but no additional slots. Boo F'ing hoo.
I actually have shadowfall instead of Maneuvers, don't know what I was thinking when I made the build.
I didn't need stamina at 24, I don't think I even need it now, I've only seen my bar dip below 50% fighting Mu. But, never running out of energy ever, is never a bad thing I guess.
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AE MM no doubt.... I bet he never played the class to that level from lvl 1... picking up stamina @ 24...
/sigh..
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Thanks for insulting me for trying to get better at the game. As I said this IS my first character past 40, however most of it was solo. The most up-to-date Thugs guide bashes Fearsome Stare, So yea, I've just been winging it.
yeah i waited forever to get stamina u dont really need it to l8er when it drains ur end more and u start using ur debuffs alot.
But with the exeption of the atk powers and black hole u should take every power dark thugs has they all add def/-acc and make u untouchable. also leader ship is a must tactics isnt.
grats on ur first epic toon
I dont see the stigma of taking Stamina either. I took it moderately early on my Thugs/Dark. Eventually, when you get all those controls and debuffs and patron powers and other stuff cycling furiously, it is nice.
Lewis
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"I remember... the Alamo." -- Pee-wee Herman
"Oh don't worry. I always leave things to the last moment." -- The Doctor
"Telescopes are time machines." -- Carl Sagan
yes but thier was so many powers to pick from below 20 so i think i didnt get it till 24. and u dont need it till after that whe u get said powers
Ok, got around to actually looking at my powers, still havn't finished my Paton Arc yet, so I'm still just guesing I'll like those powers, and used all my slots, however this is the first time I've even looked at sets, so this is probalby more expensive than I'll ever be able to dream of... but meh.: thoughts/comments:
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P.Rox: Level 50 Technology Mastermind
Primary Power Set: Thugs
Secondary Power Set: Dark Miasma
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Soul Mastery
Villain Profile:
Level 1: Call Thugs <ul type="square">[*] (A) Unquestioning Loyalty - Damage/Endurance[*] (3) Unquestioning Loyalty - Accuracy/Damage[*] (9) Unquestioning Loyalty - Accuracy/Endurance[*] (9) Unquestioning Loyalty - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance[*] (34) Edict of the Master - Accuracy/Damage[/list]Level 1: Twilight Grasp <ul type="square">[*] (A) Touch of the Nictus - Heal/HitPoints/Regeneration/Recharge[*] (3) Touch of the Nictus - Accuracy/Healing[*] (5) Theft of Essence - Healing/Recharge[*] (5) Theft of Essence - Accuracy/Healing[*] (7) Theft of Essence - Chance for +Endurance[*] (7) Siphon Insight - Accuracy/Recharge[/list]Level 2: Tar Patch <ul type="square">[*] (A) Recharge Reduction IO[*] (11) Pacing of the Turtle - Endurance/Recharge/Slow[*] (11) Tempered Readiness - Endurance/Recharge/Slow[/list]Level 4: Darkest Night <ul type="square">[*] (A) Dark Watcher's Despair - To Hit Debuff[*] (13) Dark Watcher's Despair - To Hit Debuff/Recharge[*] (13) Dark Watcher's Despair - To Hit Debuff/Recharge/Endurance[*] (15) Dark Watcher's Despair - Chance for Recharge Slow[/list]Level 6: Equip Thugs <ul type="square">[*] (A) Endurance Reduction IO[/list]Level 8: Combat Jumping <ul type="square">[*] (A) Kismet - Defense/Endurance[*] (37) Kismet - Accuracy +6%[/list]Level 10: Howling Twilight <ul type="square">[*] (A) Rope A Dope - Accuracy/Recharge[*] (21) Rope A Dope - Accuracy/Stun/Recharge[*] (21) Recharge Reduction IO[/list]Level 12: Call Enforcer <ul type="square">[*] (A) Blood Mandate - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance[*] (15) Blood Mandate - Accuracy/Damage[*] (17) Blood Mandate - Accuracy[*] (17) Blood Mandate - Damage[*] (19) Defense Buff IO[*] (19) To Hit Buff IO[/list]Level 14: Super Jump <ul type="square">[*] (A) Unbounded Leap - +Stealth[*] (34) Unbounded Leap - Jumping[/list]Level 16: Hurdle <ul type="square">[*] (A) Jumping IO[/list]Level 18: Gang War <ul type="square">[*] (A) Expedient Reinforcement - Accuracy/Recharge[*] (23) Expedient Reinforcement - Endurance/Damage/Recharge[*] (23) Expedient Reinforcement - Accuracy/Damage[*] (25) Expedient Reinforcement - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge[*] (36) Expedient Reinforcement - Damage/Endurance[*] (37) Expedient Reinforcement - Resist Bonus Aura for Pets[/list]Level 20: Fearsome Stare <ul type="square">[*] (A) Nightmare - Accuracy/Fear/Recharge[*] (25) Nightmare - Accuracy/Recharge[*] (27) Cloud Senses - ToHit Debuff[*] (27) Cloud Senses - Accuracy/Recharge[*] (29) Cloud Senses - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge[*] (29) To Hit Debuff IO[/list]Level 22: Health <ul type="square">[*] (A) Miracle - +Recovery[*] (37) Miracle - Heal[/list]Level 24: Stamina <ul type="square">[*] (A) Performance Shifter - Chance for +End[*] (31) Performance Shifter - EndMod[*] (31) Endurance Modification IO[/list]Level 26: Call Bruiser <ul type="square">[*] (A) Blood Mandate - Accuracy/Damage[*] (31) Blood Mandate - Damage[*] (33) Blood Mandate - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance[*] (33) Blood Mandate - Accuracy/Endurance[*] (34) Disorient Duration IO[/list]Level 28: Shadow Fall <ul type="square">[*] (A) Serendipity - Defense/Endurance[*] (33) Serendipity - Defense[*] (40) Impervium Armor - Resistance/Endurance[*] (43) Impervium Armor - Resistance[*] (43) Titanium Coating - Resistance/Endurance[/list]Level 30: Assault <ul type="square">[*] (A) Endurance Reduction IO[/list]Level 32: Upgrade Equipment <ul type="square">[*] (A) Endurance Reduction IO[/list]Level 35: Tactics <ul type="square">[*] (A) Adjusted Targeting - To Hit Buff/Endurance[*] (36) Adjusted Targeting - To Hit Buff[*] (36) Endurance Reduction IO[/list]Level 38: Dark Servant <ul type="square">[*] (A) Dampened Spirits - To Hit Debuff/Recharge[*] (39) Dampened Spirits - To Hit Debuff[*] (39) Touch of the Nictus - Heal/HitPoints/Regeneration/Recharge[*] (39) Touch of the Nictus - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge[*] (40) Touch of the Nictus - Accuracy/Healing[*] (40) Basilisk's Gaze - Recharge/Hold[/list]Level 41: Night Fall <ul type="square">[*] (A) Positron's Blast - Accuracy/Damage[*] (42) Positron's Blast - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance[*] (42) Positron's Blast - Damage/Recharge[*] (42) Positron's Blast - Chance of Damage(Energy)[*] (43) Dark Watcher's Despair - To Hit Debuff/Recharge[*] (46) Dark Watcher's Despair - To Hit Debuff[/list]Level 44: Soul Tentacles <ul type="square">[*] (A) Enfeebled Operation - Accuracy/Immobilize[*] (45) Enfeebled Operation - Accuracy/Immobilize/Recharge[*] (45) Detonation - Damage/Recharge[*] (45) Damage Increase IO[*] (46) Positron's Blast - Chance of Damage(Energy)[*] (46) Trap of the Hunter - Chance of Damage(Lethal)[/list]Level 47: Oppressive Gloom <ul type="square">[*] (A) Razzle Dazzle - Chance of Immobilize[*] (48) Razzle Dazzle - Stun/Range[*] (48) Rope A Dope - Accuracy/Stun[*] (48) Stupefy - Chance of Knockback[*] (50) Stupefy - Accuracy/Stun/Recharge[/list]Level 49: Dark Embrace <ul type="square">[*] (A) Impervium Armor - Resistance/Endurance[*] (50) Impervium Armor - Resistance[*] (50) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/Endurance[/list]------------
Level 1: Brawl <ul type="square">[*] (A) Empty[/list]Level 1: Sprint <ul type="square">[*] (A) Empty[/list]Level 2: Rest <ul type="square">[*] (A) Empty[/list]Level 1: Supremacy
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[u]Set Bonus Totals:[u]<ul type="square">[*]7% DamageBuff(Smashing)[*]7% DamageBuff(Lethal)[*]7% DamageBuff(Fire)[*]7% DamageBuff(Cold)[*]7% DamageBuff(Energy)[*]7% DamageBuff(Negative)[*]7% DamageBuff(Toxic)[*]7% DamageBuff(Psionic)[*]3.75% Defense(Fire)[*]3.75% Defense(Cold)[*]1.56% Defense(Energy)[*]1.56% Defense(Negative)[*]3.13% Defense(Ranged)[*]1.88% Defense(AoE)[*]4.95% Max End[*]18% Enhancement(Accuracy)[*]1.65% Enhancement(Terrorized)[*]3% Enhancement(Immobilize)[*]11.3% Enhancement(RechargeTime)[*]5% FlySpeed[*]60.2 HP (7.5%) HitPoints[*]9% JumpHeight[*]9% JumpSpeed[*]MezResist(Confused) 5%[*]MezResist(Held) 5%[*]MezResist(Immobilize) 6.1%[*]MezResist(Sleep) 5%[*]MezResist(Stun) 8.3%[*]MezResist(Terrorized) 5%[*]19% (0.32 End/sec) Recovery[*]30% (1.01 HP/sec) Regeneration[*]10% Resistance(Smashing)[*]10% Resistance(Lethal)[*]11.6% Resistance(Fire)[*]11.6% Resistance(Cold)[*]10% Resistance(Energy)[*]10% Resistance(Negative)[*]10% Resistance(Toxic)[*]10% Resistance(Psionic)[*]5% RunSpeed[/list]
Note: I'm not really paying attention to what level I take stuff, just kinda slotting as I go, as I'll be respecing into it at 41.
I've just hit 40, and honestly don't have any clue what to do with my last 8 slots. I plan on doing something along the lines of this: I'll probably end up trying to pick up shadowfall somewhere, any criticism/ideas/information is welcome. :
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P.Rox: Level 50 Technology Mastermind
Primary Power Set: Thugs
Secondary Power Set: Dark Miasma
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Soul Mastery
Villain Profile:
Level 1: Call Thugs -- Dmg-I(A), Dmg-I(3), Dmg-I(9), Acc-I(9), Acc-I(34)
Level 1: Twilight Grasp -- Acc-I(A), Acc-I(3), Heal-I(5), Heal-I(5), RechRdx-I(7), RechRdx-I(7)
Level 2: Tar Patch -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(11), RechRdx-I(11)
Level 4: Darkest Night -- ToHitDeb-I(A), ToHitDeb-I(13), ToHitDeb-I(13), RechRdx-I(15)
Level 6: Equip Thugs -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 8: Combat Jumping -- DefBuff-I(A), DefBuff-I(37)
Level 10: Howling Twilight -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(21), RechRdx-I(21)
Level 12: Call Enforcer -- Dmg-I(A), Dmg-I(15), Dmg-I(17), Acc-I(17), ToHit-I(19), ToHit-I(19)
Level 14: Super Jump -- Jump-I(A), Jump-I(34), Jump-I(34)
Level 16: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 18: Gang War -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(23), RechRdx-I(23), Acc-I(25), Acc-I(36), Dmg-I(37)
Level 20: Fearsome Stare -- Acc-I(A), Acc-I(25), ToHitDeb-I(27), ToHitDeb-I(27), RechRdx-I(29), RechRdx-I(29)
Level 22: Health -- Heal-I(A)
Level 24: Stamina -- EndMod-I(A), EndMod-I(31), EndMod-I(31)
Level 26: Call Bruiser -- Dmg-I(A), Dmg-I(31), Dmg-I(33), Acc-I(33)
Level 28: Maneuvers -- DefBuff-I(A), DefBuff-I(33)
Level 30: Assault -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 32: Upgrade Equipment -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 35: Tactics -- ToHit-I(A), ToHit-I(36), ToHit-I(36), EndRdx-I(37)
Level 38: Dark Servant -- Acc-I(A), Acc-I(39), ToHitDeb-I(39), Heal-I(39), RechRdx-I(40), RechRdx-I(40)
Level 41: Night Fall -- Dmg-I(A), Acc-I(42), RechRdx-I(42), Dmg-I(42)
Level 44: Soul Tentacles -- Acc-I(A), RechRdx-I(45), RechRdx-I(45), Dmg-I(45)
Level 47: Oppressive Gloom -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(48), Dsrnt-I(48), Acc-I(48)
Level 49: Dark Embrace -- ResDam-I(A), ResDam-I(50), EndRdx-I(50)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Supremacy