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Yeah they posted some Hall of Fame Arcs up today. I'm not entirely sure how to react to them...
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I believe that HoF arcs are set by standards of played, rating, etc, not by choice of any reviewer.
Developer's choice are the ones that are picked for some reason.
I don't remember seeing any of these arcs as a DC.
Hall of fame just requires a 4.5+ average star rating and more than 1k votes.
It does look like they've added another new DC though.
Astoria in D Minor, a horror arc. Arc ID: 41565 - The Beating Heart of Astoria: A Play in Five Acts. Arc ID: 170547 - Ignition of the Machine, a story with robots. Arc ID: 318983
Captain Skylark Shadowfancy and the Tomorrownauts of Today. Arc ID: 337333 - Signal:Noise, where is everybody? Arc ID: 341194
@The Cheshire Cat - Isn't it enough to know I ruined a pony making a gift for you?
12 second horror stories - a writing experiment.
Captain Skylark Shadowfancy and the Tomorrownauts of Today. Arc ID: 337333 - Signal:Noise, where is everybody? Arc ID: 341194
@The Cheshire Cat - Isn't it enough to know I ruined a pony making a gift for you?
12 second horror stories - a writing experiment.
I take it back, I do remember seeing Lizard people as one.
I just played the "Footsteps" Arc though and for some reason this getting Hall of Fame rubs me the wrong way.
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I just played the "Footsteps" Arc though and for some reason this getting Hall of Fame rubs me the wrong way.
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Why? It's easily one of the best arcs I've played so far, and its ratings would seem to indicate that I'm not alone in my opinion.
I'm so jealous now. I need to get my arcs more plays somhow. 
But congrats to the authors anyway, it's nice to see good work appreciated. 
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I think I know why. I mean it was done well and the creator made sure there were little mistakes. But mistakes there were.
Also the game is Teen rated but the Arc doesn't really follow "City of Heroes" Lore persee. It alludes to some adult subjects (( the one character is outright bisexual and another is a plant who is probably illegal just by himself.)) Also it breaks the fourth wall. ((Dark Shadow. ))
The arc is fun but I don't think it would really "fit in" as a regular arc if it were in the CoH universe so I don't really think it should be Hall of Fame.
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I think I know why. I mean it was done well and the creator made sure there were little mistakes. But mistakes there were.
Also the game is Teen rated but the Arc doesn't really follow "City of Heroes" Lore persee. It alludes to some adult subjects (( the one character is outright bisexual and another is a plant who is probably illegal just by himself.)) Also it breaks the fourth wall. ((Dark Shadow. ))
The arc is fun but I don't think it would really "fit in" as a regular arc if it were in the CoH universe so I don't really think it should be Hall of Fame.
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Why does it matter if a HoF arc fits perfectly into CoH continuity? An arc achieves HoF status because PLAYERS LIKE IT and rate it highly. HoF arcs aren't hand-picked by anyone to be HoF like Dev Choice arcs are.
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I think I know why. I mean it was done well and the creator made sure there were little mistakes. But mistakes there were.
Also the game is Teen rated but the Arc doesn't really follow "City of Heroes" Lore persee. It alludes to some adult subjects (( the one character is outright bisexual and another is a plant who is probably illegal just by himself.)) Also it breaks the fourth wall. ((Dark Shadow. ))
The arc is fun but I don't think it would really "fit in" as a regular arc if it were in the CoH universe so I don't really think it should be Hall of Fame.
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Then don't vote it a 5. God knows not everyone who has played it has. Every time I play it, I will give it a 5 because I absolutely love it.
I'm obviously not alone in this and you're obviously in the minority. Lots and lots of other people enjoy it, which has nothing to do with your delicate sensibilities.
Crumbs. So if it doesn't follow the lore, it's not allowed to be popular?
Hall of Fame simply means a lot of people liked it. It says nothing about the content, but if you're a pretty typical person, you might like it.
I'm not sure why 2 suddenly appeared together - perhaps fate. If it was Dev intervention, I truly hope it was a process applied equally to all arcs. Like the wonderful no-zero-stars on Test.
But Footsteps oscillated at near-HoF for a long time, that's no surprise to me. If you don't like it, that's allowed - you're in a minority, which is also allowed. I hadn't heard of the other arc.
Perhaps we can also convert 1's and 2's into 3's and just have a "good (4), great (5), ugly (3)" rating system. An "ugly" would still counter 3 "great"s in the battle to get 1000 four-and-a-half's. I'd also eliminate the star calculation next to Dev Choice arcs, since that no longer applies.
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I say congrats to @Muu and @GadgetDon for their HoF arcs and hopefully they will actually remain HoF for quite a while, and avoid the low-star griefers that have previously plagued the HoF arcs so far.
I'm probably going to jinx it, but it seems to me like the 1-star bandits got bored and moved on.
And for a while things were cold,
They were scared down in their holes
The forest that once was green
Was colored black by those killing machines
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It alludes to some adult subjects.
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For the record, that's actually covered by a T rating. "Suggestive themes" is the phrase, if I remember correctly.
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That's great, but the bio of one of the heroes outright said she was bisexual. Plus the Weed guy was a walking marijuana plant.
Not that those subjects aren't funny and everything. I can understand it being popular but to warrant a Hall of Fame label?
Yes. Enough people thought it was humor done well, including myself. Others don't think so, including apparently you. The same thing applies to every single arc out there: to some it's the best thing ever, to others the antithesis of fun. As the saying goes, YMMV.
"If I had Force powers, vacuum or not my cape/clothes/hair would always be blowing in the Dramatic Wind." - Tenzhi
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That's great, but the bio of one of the heroes outright said she was bisexual.
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Well, then, that's not alluding, is it.
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I can understand it being popular but to warrant a Hall of Fame label?
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Hall of Fame is gained via player ratings... as has now been pointed out to you multiple times in this thread. If enough players rate an arc highly, it'll get Hall of Fame.
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DJ Enigma's Puzzle Factory: Co* Parody Commercials
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That's great, but the bio of one of the heroes outright said she was bisexual.
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If the bio of a character mentioned that they were gay, would that also bother you? I just don't see the hangup with the mention of a character's sexual orientation. And it's definitely not too outlandish for a Teen rated game anyway.
Also, if I'm remembering correctly, the whole point of that character being bisexual is so they would be attracted to your character in the ultimate form of hero worship. Kinda hard to do that if they weren't bisexual. (Although, that leads me to an idea about what we could do with branching dialogue and the like if it were available...)
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its ratings would seem to indicate that I'm not alone.
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Because popularity equals quality?
I have yet to meet someone who actually likes that Footsteps arc, and I play on Virtue even.
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But Footsteps oscillated at near-HoF for a long time, that's no surprise to me.
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It was actually the first HoF arc. Muu has 4 arcs up, but can't edit any of them (even though one is broken) unless Footsteps is HoF at the exact moment he republishes. Tell me that aint screwed up.
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If it was Dev intervention, I truly hope it was a process applied equally to all arcs. Like the wonderful no-zero-stars on Test.
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Whatever it was, it's not the stripping of 0-star ratings that occurred on Test. I've looked at my arcs and others that are considered 5-star on test after that fix and they're still 4-star on live.
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its ratings would seem to indicate that I'm not alone.
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Because popularity equals quality?
I have yet to meet someone who actually likes that Footsteps arc, and I play on Virtue even.
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I've edited my post to clarify that I meant I'm not alone IN MY OPINION of the arc.
I'm not sure what you mean by popularity. It's a popular arc only because people LIKE it. "Quality" is a very subjective thing, but I think that most of the people who have played Footsteps believe it to be a "quality" arc or else they wouldn't be rating it so highly.
Unless you mean that the author is popular and that is why he has such ratings. But I don't think that can be it, as if he were really popular I think I'd probably have heard of him before Footsteps, and his other arcs would undoubtedly also be bouncing in and out of HoF status...
I don't really care why there are suddenly 2 HoF arcs up. I'm just glad they're up now so my badgers can work on the Critic badge. I think the rating system is beyond screwed up and too open to being manipulated (both by the 5-star citadels and the 0/1-star griefers) and needs to be desperately overhauled.
I also think that once an arc reaches HoF status, it shouldn't be knocked out of that spot by griefers. As far as I'm aware, only three arcs have successfully made it to HoF status -- "A Perfect Brew" by Green Dwarf, The Footsteps Initative by Muu, and now "Lizards and People" by Gadget Don. Three arcs, total, in the 2 1/2 months since issue 14 came out. I think that proves that HoF is plenty tough to earn and worthy of earning a permanent "DC-like" status once it achieves that point.
Play my MA arcs!
Tracking Down Jack Ketch - ArcID #2701
Cat War! - ArcID #2788
I think what feeds some of the frustration is that with all systems like this, there's a certain amount of Inertia built into the system. Once an arc gets over a certain number of plays, it's probability of getting more plays goes up because it appears "good". It may be good, don't get me wrong, but when people are looking, they go "oh.. wow, 300 people played that and it's averaging 4 stars!" where they might look at another, just as 'Good' that's only got 20 plays at 4 stars.
So the majority will pick the one's that gotten played. Not everyone, mind, and some people seek out the obscure or the under played to look for but I think that those are atypical situations. People going out and seeing what can be found.
Most players, I think, don't want to risk a wasted time and look for the the "big hits", which just gets the big hits more hits.
I rode this once to my benefit when I put out Spires of Ravenloft for NWN. I got out early, did a good job (I think) and it got a lot of downloads. Once that started I got a lot more simply because I was a highly rated modual in the 'download' category. THen once I got moved the "Hall of Fame", that was it.
Of course module building for NWN (and NWN2) is VERY different then making a story arc...
Yeah they posted some Hall of Fame Arcs up today. I'm not entirely sure how to react to them...