I never said I required video read what I said and don't add anything to it.
There is no need to attack me personally as I have not attacked you in any way.
I never said the scrapper forum required proof re-read what I said and don't add anything to it.
The reason I saw people post videos mainly has to do with tactics, my interest is the same. On the otherhand taking the you don't trust my word route on the internent is a source of good comic relief. 
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
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Yeah, thats one I would have to say video or it didn't happen.
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Some people provide no backing at all, just saying "I soloed X, whee!"
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Just a small cameo here, but most people who claim to have solo'd AVs and show no proof is because they didn't actually do it.
I'm not saying a NW isn't able to solo *some* AVs, but being a melee class with low hitpoints and doing mostly lethal damage puts them at a great disadvantage compared to other builds. I would think a Fortunata had better chances
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I'm not saying a NW isn't able to solo *some* AVs, but being a melee class with low hitpoints and doing mostly lethal damage puts them at a great disadvantage compared to other builds. I would think a Fortunata would have better chances
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You're familiar with the Scrapper forums, right?
For ages before DM/Shield became the rage, Claws/SR was the build soloing AVs.
Fortunatas are much harder to build for this because, (ironically given your reasoning) the have a harder time getting high single-target DPS comparable to a NWs.
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I'd love to see you back that assertion up.
Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
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For ages before DM/Shield became the rage, Claws/SR was the build soloing AVs.
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Claws/SR is not THE build for soloing AVs. Claws/SR was a build that P-Forge made it work to solo a bunch AVs, and he is by no means a traditional player
Even then, he would take around 50 minutes to kill an AV with S/L resistances, while a defender (for example) would take 10 minutes and half the budget
A better question would be: are you familiar with AV soloing? 
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A better question would be: are you familiar with AV soloing?
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Yes. Quite, as the screenshots upthread should show, since I soloed AVs in the offered screenshots on a build that was mostly slotted with level 35 common IOs.
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Claws/SR is not THE build for soloing AVs. Claws/SR was a build that P-Forge made it work to solo a bunch AVs, but not all of them And he would take around 50 minutes to kill an AV with S/L resistances, while a defender would take 5 minutes.
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Here's a bit of enligtenment for you. Not everyone builds a character so that they can solo AVs with it. Sometimes, people take a character they have, and change its build so it can solo AVs. While it's fine and well that you point out that other ATs or powersets might be better at it, it frankly comes off as kind of snotty to follow threads about it around and talk about how inferior as choices the other ATs who can do it more slowly are. That's not particularly relevant to someone who has and enjoys whatever character that is, and would like to solo AVs with it.
It feels especially self-serving when you're "known" for soloing AVs on the ATs you constantly trumpet.
The OP's question wasn't just "what AT/powerset combo is best at soloing AVs?" It was "hm, I really like SoAs, can they do it?"
Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
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I'm not saying a NW isn't able to solo *some* AVs, but being a melee class with low hitpoints and doing mostly lethal damage puts them at a great disadvantage compared to other builds. I would think a Fortunata had better chances
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This was all I said, just chipping in with my opinion. You're the one who got all snotty and defensive *shrug*
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I'm not saying a NW isn't able to solo *some* AVs, but being a melee class with low hitpoints and doing mostly lethal damage puts them at a great disadvantage compared to other builds. I would think a Fortunata had better chances
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This was all I said, just chipping in with my opinion.
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Really? I thought you opened with...
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Just a small cameo here, but most people who claim to have solo'd AVs and show no proof is because they didn't actually do it.
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That's not presented as an opinion.
And, I'm sorry, who said...
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Even then, he would take around 50 minutes to kill an AV with S/L resistances, while a defender (for example) would take 10 minutes and half the budget/
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No one asked about Defenders, and no one claimed Scrappers were fastest. What this thread is about is whether NWs can do it, and (indirectly) whether Forts are better at it. Claws/SR was brought up as evidence that L/S builds can solo (plenty of) AVs. (And you can get better ST-DPS out of a Widow, and it's not pure L/S damage.)
You're the one that introduced criteria of being able to solo all AVs everywhere, or do them in some particular period of time.
I'm pretty sure you also said...
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No, that doesn't come off as you questioning my game knowledge or experience or anything. No reason for me to get defenseive about that, right?
If you want to help people who want to solo AVs or whatnot, I think you should certainly offer them build advice, and if they are asking for what ATs are best at it, I can't imagine someone not telling them the truth. But my reaction isn't just from you in this thread. I've seen you post in other threads on it, and the spin I get from you is "you should be doing that on a Corr/Defender/Controller".
If it's not what you mean, and you care that it's being read that way, possibly consider your presentation.
Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
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I'm not saying a NW isn't able to solo *some* AVs, but being a melee class with low hitpoints and doing mostly lethal damage puts them at a great disadvantage compared to other builds. I would think a Fortunata had better chances
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This was all I said, just chipping in with my opinion.
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Really? I thought you opened with...
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Just a small cameo here, but most people who claim to have solo'd AVs and show no proof is because they didn't actually do it.
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That's not presented as an opinion.
And, I'm sorry, who said...
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Even then, he would take around 50 minutes to kill an AV with S/L resistances, while a defender (for example) would take 10 minutes and half the budget/
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No one asked about Defenders, and no one claimed Scrappers were fastest. What this thread is about is whether NWs can do it, and (indirectly) whether Forts are better at it. Claws/SR was brought up as evidence that L/S builds can solo (plenty of) AVs. (And you can get better ST-DPS out of a Widow, and it's not pure L/S damage.)
You're the one that introduced criteria of being able to solo all AVs everywhere, or do them in some particular period of time.
I'm pretty sure you also said...
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A better question would be: are you familiar with AV soloing?
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No, that doesn't come off as you questioning my game knowledge or experience or anything. No reason for me to get defenseive about that, right?
If you want to help people who want to solo AVs or whatnot, I think you should certainly offer them build advice, and if they are asking for what ATs are best at it, I can't imagine someone not telling them the truth. But my reaction isn't just from you in this thread. I've seen you post in other threads on it, and the spin I get from you is "you should be doing that on a Corr/Defender/Controller".
If it's not what you mean, and you care that it's being read that way, possibly consider your presentation.
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Yeah, that's what I meant by getting all defensive.
Thanks for illustrating my point!
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bare in mind that Silverado comes from a school of though that if you can't tackle all AV's you aren't an AV solo'er.
Basically if you have to pick and choose, you don't cut the mustard. Which is why you'll see him advocate debuff sets because they fit the bill.
His view isn't shared by everyone, but I would agree that if you are building a toon specifically for AV solo'ing he is generally right. If you are just looking to tag a few AV's (sort of for the sake of curiosity) which to me seems what this thread is about then... ya.
IMO (and I've solo'd quite a few AV's now) I look at whether the build can comfortably get the job done on paper. If it can it is reasonable to assume it can happen in game. The only time hard evidence is required for more than entertainment purposes is when the paper says it will be close/not possible and someone is saying they did it.
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Ok, I have posted this on the Scrapper and Brute forums asking the same questions...And since I do like the SoA's it occurs to me to want to ask;
Which if any of the SoA's can solo AV's?
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Ok guys, some of you digressed as I figured, thats ok, thas what forums are about. I only asked about SoA's, not specific anything.
I asked if they can solo Av's. If they can solo them, it would be nice to hear about peoples triumph's in doing so. Sure, pics/vids would be nice, but at this point in time, I realy DONT CARE if its word of mouth. As word of mouth is how ideas get started. So, when one person says that they can, someone else may try to trump that other person by saying hey, I did too, heres a pic if you dont believe me...Then another person wants to trump as well with vids or what not.
I am not asking for a build, I am not asking for pics. I am not asking for video's....
I just want to know if SoA's (NW/Fort's/Banes/Crab's/Huntsman) can pull it off.
Obviously, I would like to make a SoA into an AV killer just like I posted here as well, BUT, I am currently working on an AV killer Brute, so anything new would be put on a back burner. My Dm/Sr is my new baby, and he's gonna be that way until I kill atleast 9 AV's solo...thats my goal, nothing awfully too special. I dont want to kill every AV, just 9...
But, Thank you guys for all your interest in this post of mine. Its realy encouraging to see people take such an interest, whether for good or ill, in such a thing.
Now, back to the subject at hand....So, Has anyone soloed ANY AV's with a SoA (NW,Bane,Fort, Crab,Huntsman)?
I have actualy been told that out of most of the SoA's, Huntsman have a great chance at it because of the double WaWN (Patron and primary) plus the def debuff from the bane tree...Personaly, I would LOVE to see a vid of someone atleast attempting it with a tweeked out Huntsman or what ever...Whether you actualy can do it or not...
Thanks again guys, and keep up the good work at attempting this feat!!!
I hate all this terrorist business. I used to love the days when you could look at an unattended bag on a train or bus and think to yourself.... I'm going to take that.
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Yeah, that's what I meant by getting all defensive.
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I'm new to this logic where taking someone to task when you disagree with their comments is being "defensive".
For me to be on the defense, I think I'd need to feel threatened.
Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
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Now, back to the subject at hand....So, Has anyone soloed ANY AV's with a SoA (NW,Bane,Fort, Crab,Huntsman)?
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As I mentioned upthread, someone had posted some pics of them soloing most of the Psi-heavy ones with a Fortunata. They didn't post vids, but a series of 5 or so screen shots along the fight. They had a kind of hybrid melee Fort build.
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I have actualy been told that out of most of the SoA's, Huntsman have a great chance at it because of the double WaWN (Patron and primary) plus the def debuff from the bane tree...Personaly, I would LOVE to see a vid of someone atleast attempting it with a tweeked out Huntsman or what ever...Whether you actualy can do it or not...
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That seems pretty tough, because I don't think a Huntsman has a lot of single-target DPS. They can stack a lot of -DR, so I won't claim it can't be done. I really have spent a lot more time playing NWs and poking Fort builds, so take any of my conclusions about Banes with a big chunk of salt.
Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
I think Silverado is just mad that others seem to be soloing AV's with NW's while he hasn't been able to.
He would rather use easy-mode-AV builds like bots/traps lol.
It's ok buddy, not everyone can push non-AV-focus builds to their limits and accomplish something.
*rolls eyes*
*rolls rad/son and pretends it is difficult to solo AVs with*
You misunderstood that, but in truth it was not clear it was a tongue in cheek.
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
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You misunderstood that, but in truth it was not clear it was a tongue in cheek.
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Pics of your tongue in cheek or it didn't happen.
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Yeah as I stated I was not very clear at all so I understand the misunderstanding. 
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
So...No takers yet?
Now that the discussion (Cough cough arguements) are over with, noone has any stories to tell? or pics to post of SoA's even trying to solo an AV?
I hate all this terrorist business. I used to love the days when you could look at an unattended bag on a train or bus and think to yourself.... I'm going to take that.
There are "pics" back thread. Thats what got people all hot when I jokingly said video or it didn't happen.
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
O Thanks Drth, didnt realiza the links were posted, couldnt get past all the discussion( Cough cough cough arguements over nothing)
Well, so far, it would seem that Uber is the only person in the whole game who can solo AV's Congo RAtz Uber Hats off to you!
Doy ou have any stories to go with the pics?
I hate all this terrorist business. I used to love the days when you could look at an unattended bag on a train or bus and think to yourself.... I'm going to take that.
I've done a couple with my Widow - mostly the easier ones. Here's a pic of my Widow versus Indigo.
No temps, but I did use green pills to supplement Aid Self.
I've also done Hro'Dtohz with her, and that required a lot more luck. I died several times due to unlucky dice rolls and the fight took me a very long time when I finally managed it.
Indigo took, oh... three cycles of Elude? I find that I have to use Elude as soon as it's up or my endurance bottoms out too easily. I haven't been able to afford the second recovery unique, though, so that might solve things. I'm not holding my breath. Anyway, my basic strategy was to spam attacks until the blue bar got too low, then hit Elude, then go buck wild for three minutes until it started blinking. At this point, I hit Mind Link, placate, and recover from the end crash. Go back in with some toggles off until it's back up, hit Elude, put the second Assault back on, and continue hacking at her HP. It's not pretty and it takes a while, but it works.
The Ballad of Iron Percy
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Not really. I did this for two reasons.
1) I like to solo content on +level challenge settings, and 30+ that means I get AVs.
2) I wanted to be able to solo AVs with my NW, the 1st character I'd tried it seriously on. My very 1st character was an /SR Scrapper, and back in the day, "pure" Defense powersets sucked compared to the alternatives. Even knowing that had changed, it took me a long time to come back to play one again, so I figured this was the one I'd go for broke on.
This character wasn't especially IOd until the mid 40s. The build in the screenshots was mostly common IOs in the attacks and clicks. The exceptions were that I had a Miracle and a Numina unique for recovery, a Performance Shifter proc for more, and a couple of LotGs (all bought with merits earned with other characters). I also frankenslotted Mind Link with Def/Rech set IOs to get it closer to perma.
There really wasn't a lot special about the fights. Mostly it was toe-to-toe, occasional fall back for Aid Self, and probably 4-5 defeats per, almost all, it seemed at times, when I had the AV at like 5% health. That was aggravating.
Minx was probably the coolest fight, but only because I actually defeated her without dying - the only time that happened.
My worst experience was with BaB. It seems like nearly every attack he has can one-shot you, which got pretty ridiculous after a while. I mean, his Handclap was taking me to the redline. Oh, and his Energy Transfer? It's an AoE. With knockback, IIRC.
After 6-7 deaths I decided that such a degree of dependance on good luck to win wasn't worth the notch on the belt and I used nukes and Shivans on him. I still had trouble with him, because his KB kept sending the Shivans flying (and they stand up slow) and he was killing them with the AoEs on top of it. It took at least 3 to finish him off, and I had two out at once for a while.
So yeah, I think BaB the AV-class entitiy is pretty ridiculous.
Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
Why would "I" make a video mate, I have made no claims and the mere assertion I do so makes no sense.
Nobody said it was required read what "I" said again and stop trying to add extra meanings.
AV vidoes are boring to some im sure, but that has nothing to do with what I was talking about.
Once again no need to further telling me to make a video to prove something I never said I was interested in proving in the first place, that request lacks sound rationale.
This is why I said before don't try to make this something its not and nothing more nothing less.
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.