SoA Av Killer
Might wanna look at DM/SR scrapper, Ill/Rad troller or a Bot/Traps MM for the top tier AV killers.
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Nah, I dont want top tier...I want something fun. Expense is starting to not be an issue anymore. I know there has to be atleast 1 SoA who has soloed Av's, I remember the post before the great purge...
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Yeah, thats one I would have to say video or it didn't happen.
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NW should be fully capable of it.
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NW should be fully capable of it.
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Well, ok not that im in hard dispute perse, but I would need to "see" it to agree with that.
Having some specifically built AV killers, DM/SR scrap, Bot/Traps MM and Ill/Rad troller I would be impressed to say the least to "see" a NW actually do it. "Should be fully capable of it" is WORLDS away from actually doing it when it comes to facing down AV's solo.
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
So far, I would say NW has the best chance especially against AV/Hero who uses Psi dmg. NW/Fort's psi resistance is ridiculously high. This is one area where NW soloing AV > Scrapper/Brute I think.
My NW almost solo a Gravity/Psi Dominator AV. I think I can do it if I try it again. I used my god-mode too soon and I crashed in the end when she only had like 10% health.
NW has an advantage in -regen. Can somebody test to see if poison dart's -regen stack? I have a feeling it does. Either that or NW's dps is really high 'cause my well invested Fortunata's dps on AV is a lot less than my NW. But I swear my Fort's damage is not low at all. She has two assault and her attack chain is seamless.
It must be the -regen that plays the huge part in AV soloing.
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
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NW should be fully capable of it.
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Well, ok not that im in hard dispute perse, but I would need to "see" it to agree with that.
Having some specifically built AV killers, DM/SR scrap, Bot/Traps MM and Ill/Rad troller I would be impressed to say the least to "see" a NW actually do it. "Should be fully capable of it" is WORLDS away from actually doing it when it comes to facing down AV's solo.
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Somebody posted a video here of NW soloing a Hero in RV. I forgot which one. I think it's Numina?? That's one proof I can think of.
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
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Having some specifically built AV killers, DM/SR scrap, Bot/Traps MM and Ill/Rad troller I would be impressed to say the least to "see" a NW actually do it. "Should be fully capable of it" is WORLDS away from actually doing it when it comes to facing down AV's solo.
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Huh? Are you serious? People were posting builds for this months ago. TopDoc has a guide on it somewhere I think.
I've personally soloed a number of the 35+ and 40+ AVs with my NW. There was a thread by someone who soloed some of the Psi-heavy AVs with a tricked out Fortunata.
I've soloed Luminry, Aurora Borealis, Indigo, Johnny Sonata Soul, and Kalinda on my Widow with no temps and only the occasional blue insp. The rest of them I usually got tired of and threw Shivans or Bio nukes at because it was an excercise in random chance (will they hit me 2-3x too close together?) that wasn't especially entertaining to me.
One AV that just repeatedly ate me alive was BaB. I had trouble with him even after using temps.
Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
I'd be happy with the video links.
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
I don't record videos of this stuff. I do have screenshots, though.
These are the ones that I took of pre-50 soloings. I had to use inspirations for these because I didn't have all my IOs and whatnot for softcapped defense, damage procs, and endurance reduction slotting.
Mynx
Indigo
Sonata's Soul
Kalinda
Lumiary
I've "soloed" all the other AVs in the arcs on the way to 50, but the others I used temps or pet allies on. For example I fought Aurora Borealis at level 34, but had Rikti from Stasis Tubes along for the ride. (They don't really do much, but it's still not "soloing" by some people's definition.)
Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
I'm just use to watching videos of the entire encounter to show that there indeed were no aids used during the duration of the fight. Cheers.
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
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I'm just use to watching videos of the entire encounter to show that there indeed were no aids used during the duration of the fight. Cheers.
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Well, some of us are telling you that NW can do it and you don't seem like you want to believe it. Why don't you try one yourself? NW is not THAT bad, is it?
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
I've done a few AVs with my Night Widow. To be honest, I thought she'd be better at it than she was. She does good damage, but the Random Number Gods can sometimes make survivability a problem over the course of the entire AV fight. I've succeeded with her against Indigo and Hro'Dtohz, but tend to lose more than I win - the number of AVs I couldn't do far exceeds the number I could. Weirdly, my Dominator's a way better AV-killer than my Widow.
But yeah. It's possible to solo AVs with a Night Widow, but in my opinion, they aren't an ideal build for it.
The Ballad of Iron Percy
I know my bane soloed Nem and I think it was Hro'dtohz as AV's...I did die a few times and used all my pills each time, but I did do it...that was before I realized what I had done. Banes may be slow, but when yoru spamming survalence, placate and shatter does help ALOT...
But come to think of it, I think they may have been EB's...
I hate all this terrorist business. I used to love the days when you could look at an unattended bag on a train or bus and think to yourself.... I'm going to take that.
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I know my bane soloed Nem and I think it was Hro'dtohz as AV's...I did die a few times and used all my pills each time, but I did do it...that was before I realized what I had done. Banes may be slow, but when yoru spamming survalence, placate and shatter does help ALOT...
But come to think of it, I think they may have been EB's...
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Couldn't have been EBs becasue I took on Nem as an EB with my Bane and it was almost cake no temps and maybe one purple and one green, the purple is a possible but if I popped that I am not sure if I did the green.
"Yes, winning all the time can be boring."
-Knight_Chill
"It's amazing how well you can put up with endurance issues if you hide them under a large enough pile of bodies."
-Spiritchaser speaking on Dom Revamp
Let's not turn this into something it not ok. I never said I did not think the pictures were a true indication that he soloed these AV's scrapper style ie. no temps, ins etc...
The only way to verify this type of soloing claim is video, which is the normal way the scrappers do it.
I expected the same here, which should be no surprise for this type of claim.
NW's are great I enjoy both a widow and fort build on mine. Don't blame me for the video proof or it didn't happen saying as I did not make it up.
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
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Let's not turn this into something it not ok. I never said I did not think the pictures were a true indication that he soloed these AV's scrapper style ie. no temps, ins etc...
The only way to verify this type of soloing claim is video, which is the normal way the scrappers do it.
I expected the same here, which should be no surprise for this type of claim.
NW's are great I enjoy both a widow and fort build on mine. Don't blame me for the video proof or it didn't happen saying as I did not make it up.
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Erm... most scrappers get accepted if they said they did it...
Videos only go up for bragging/showing off, not proof.
It's a game, why lie about things?
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Really? Ok if you say so.
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
Look at a NW's damage chain and calculate the sustained dps. Now look at how easy it is for a NW build to have soft capped def along with scaling res akin to SR. Now add in aidself like non dm/sr scrappers do.
They do enough sustained dps to kill many AV's and they have enough survivability to do it with no insp, temps, or click accolades. In fact their survivability with softcap def, aidself, and placate is practically god like vs a single target. At a glance they can easily hit 130+ dps (very likely much much higher) which is enough to get the job done.
There is no need to doubt anyone's claims unless they have posted a very difficult AV.
Once again like I said, im am use to people backing that claim up with video nothing more nothing less.
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
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I'm just use to watching videos of the entire encounter to show that there indeed were no aids used during the duration of the fight. Cheers.
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If you require a video as proof of this, despite guides, fellow posters, and screnshots, you're being overly dense.
I'm not in the business of wasting time trying to convince overly dense people of things they don't want to believe. I'm certainly not going to go spending time making videos for you when I don't do it in general.
Edit: The Scrapper forum does not require anything as "proof". Videos are usually taken as a nice bonus. Very few people actually produce them. Some people provide no backing at all, just saying "I soloed X, whee!", and they get "grats".
Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
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Once again like I said, im am use to people backing that claim up with video nothing more nothing less.
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I would like to see video proof of you watching videos of people backing up their claims.
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Once again like I said, im am use to people backing that claim up with video nothing more nothing less.
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I would like to see video proof of you watching videos of people backing up their claims.
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/agreed
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Once again like I said, im am use to people backing that claim up with video nothing more nothing less.
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Then make a video. You said you have a nw yes? Blaze the trail and lead by example.
The ONLY time more than someone saying they did it is required is if it is a very difficult AV(s), or it is a build that would struggle to produce the necessary numbers to do it, ie Khelds.
As it is, AV videos are very boring, sort of like baseball (imo) fun to play, boring to watch. The NW population is probably 1/1000th the scrapper population and there is only a handful of scrappers posting vids.
If you want video proof then make video proof. Embrace the pioneer spirit.
Ok, I have posted this on the Scrapper and Brute forums asking the same questions...And since I do like the SoA's it occurs to me to want to ask;
Which if any of the SoA's can solo AV's?
I remember a few months back there was a post in here that specificaly asked for your triumphs....Well, Lets get it out in the open Guys and Gals;
Post your solo AV triumphs!
This in turn just MIGHT spur some more people to want to play these exclusive BAD [censored] toons....I realy miss having them in teams, the buffs are excellent.
I know my Bane is wicked, but not nearly good enough to take on a Hero or AV.
My Bane came close to soloing Statesman Hero once, but once he kicks his stupid buff in, all he does is kick that damn lightning attack and I run out of endurance...D.E.D. dead.
What I am actualy trying to do, i fyou havent guessed it already, if figure out what I am going to use for my first REAL toon, my first AV killer. I already have a farmer, I already have a toon specificaly made for TF's. Now, its high time to make my first real ST damaging toon, an AV killer.
So, come on Guys/Gals, lets here ya
I hate all this terrorist business. I used to love the days when you could look at an unattended bag on a train or bus and think to yourself.... I'm going to take that.