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A scrapper (either Iggy_Kamikaze or Powerforge, I don't recall which) soloed the door mission version of Kronos, with video to prove it.
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And so has pretty much any AV soloer on the boards. The mission version of Kronos is *MUCH* weaker than the outdoor GM version (28k hp vs 73k hp, the mission version is basicly a mislabeled AV)
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I think it's labelled "Monster", which is equivalent to "Arch Villain" or "Hero". The same thing holds true with the Kronos in the RSF (which gives the badge but no merits) and the Arachnos Flyer in the STF (which gives the badge and merits).
It's not so much "mislabelled" as just a different label entirely.
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They're labeled the same as a DE "Monster" which are nothing like an "Arch Villain" or "Hero". So yeah, they're mislabeled
The Arachnos Flyer is labeled "Transport"
Even the labels don't necessarily mean anything. The version of Adamastor that you find inside missions? He's labeled an Archvillian, but he's actually a Monster. A single controller can perma-hold him.
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They're labeled the same as a DE "Monster" which are nothing like an Arch Villain" or "Hero". So yeah, they're mislabeled
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I was referring to the number of hit points and damage output being that of an AV/Hero (as opposed to the label itself) on the Flyer, but apparently they're only equivalent for a "Monster" in an instanced mission.
So yes, I was wrong but only half of the time - instanced Monsters (such as the ones I mentioned) are treated by the game as if they're AV/Hero rank.
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My theory has always been that the devs are wrong, since the label "Monster" is very inconsistent throughout the game
The "Monsters" in door missions (Psychic Babbage, RSF Kronos, Jurassik in Numina's) have AV stats, they should just be labeled AV's. The outdoor DE Monsters have *almost* GM stats (a level 50 Lattice has 70k hp, while a lvl 50 Kronos Titan GM has 73k) and should IMO be the baseline for the "Monster" label
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My theory has always been that the devs are wrong, since the label "Monster" is very inconsistent throughout the game
The "Monsters" in door missions (Psychic Babbage, RSF Kronos, Jurassik in Numina's) have AV stats, they should just be labeled AV's.
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They aren't AVs, though. They don't have the PtoD, per se, for example, though they have something similar.
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The outdoor DE Monsters have *almost* GM stats (a level 50 Lattice has 70k hp, while a lvl 50 Kronos Titan GM has 73k) and should IMO be the baseline for the "Monster" label
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I'd agree that the DE Monsters and the Monsters we find in missions should have different labels, as they are not the same.
Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
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They aren't AVs, though. They don't have the PtoD, per se, for example, though they have something similar.
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Agent Indigo, Johnny Sonata's Soul, Sunstorm and Lord Recluse don't have PToDs either (though Recluse has innate mez protection mag 100 or so), yet they're still labeled as AVs. Scaled down AVs are labeled as EBs and still have the PToD, so the PToD is not a good criteria to use when pointing out what's mislabeled and what isn't
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They aren't AVs, though. They don't have the PtoD, per se, for example, though they have something similar.
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Agent Indigo, Johnny Sonata's Soul, Sunstorm and Lord Recluse don't have PToDs either (though Recluse has innate mez protection mag 100 or so), yet they're still labeled as AVs.
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Arguably, they should have them, primarily because lack of them makes them something of a joke when mezzes are present (the reason the PtoD were introduced). It's not clear why they don't have them when they apparently share the other attributes of AVs. It's possible it's an oversight of some sort.
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Scaled down AVs are labeled as EBs and still have the PToD, so the PToD is not a good criteria to use when pointing out what's mislabeled and what isn't
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It would be more appropriate to describe the downshift to EB on CR1 as a way to identify AVs. Honestly, though, I don't recall if in-mission Monsters do this too.
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American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
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Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
I think there's enough examples of mis-labeling in the game to demonstrate that the label is just a text field that may or may not reflect the NPC's actual status.
GM's are the guys who sets your damage to match thier level (or thier level -1) depending on if you're above or below them.
That also means that while the 360 hp/s number is completely false unless the GM is level 50. However, since both your damage and their regen scale with thier level... it's a relatively reasonable number if your calculating what your level 50 damage would need to be to solo a GM.
I've looked at this a lot. There's no AT that can solo a level 50 GM without -regen. It might be possible that they didn't quite evently scale down your damage at a certain level and you can out damage a GM at a lower level, but my attempts to find a GM that fits this catagory have led me to believe that scenario also does not exist.
Responding to the OP, I do believe there are sets besides /rad and /traps that can solo GMs. However, I can't say I've seen anyone else demonstrate success.... yet.
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You can outdamage lower level GMs without -regen, if you have access to strong external +dam. It's not so much about damage scaling as it is about HP scaling. Mob HP tend to be a lot lower at low levels, and giant monsters are no exception.
So of the other -regen powersets (dark/kin/cold) (blaster with perma Drain psyche) which can solo GM's, any experience?
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A scrapper (either Iggy_Kamikaze or Powerforge, I don't recall which) soloed the door mission version of Kronos, with video to prove it.
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And so has pretty much any AV soloer on the boards. The mission version of Kronos is *MUCH* weaker than the outdoor GM version (28k hp vs 73k hp, the mission version is basicly a mislabeled AV)