Okay, I guess I'll give it a try...

This is my first major attempt at the Kheldian. I have decided to go with PB, seeing that they are generally easier to get into.

Some noobish PB questions!! w00t!

Are duel build PBs effective? I was gonna go a more meleeish approach to the PB, using the human melee attacks to deal with minions and Lts and the Dwarf attacks to deal with bosses and to tank.

Will IO bonuses go from shape to shape?

Is KB a problem?

Some simple questions. Thanks

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KB can be a problem. Yes.

Dual Builds are very effective, so much so that on a Kheldian you can have one build be Human-only, while another build would be a TriFormer. No other AT in the game benefits from dual builds as much as Kheldians do, in my opinion.

Set bonuses are applicable in all forms as long as the bonus is a static one and does not require a certain power to activate it.

Oh... and enjoy your Kheldians!

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I believe that a Kheldian Gold Standard should be based on SO's, and for anything above that... there's Platinum!

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IO Set bonuses carry between forms, including special IOs that operate as if they were set bonuses (luck of the gambler 7.5 and KB protection IOs are examples of these). IO proc bonuses carry between forms for the duration of their proc (ie, if you have Miracle slotted in health, you'll still get the recovery bonus for 120 seconds after shifting). One-off procs (performance shifter +end) will only operate as long as the power they're slotted in is active (thus, slotting one in stamina will do nothing while you're in dwarf; slotting one in dwarf will only fire if dwarf is toggled on).

KB can be a problem. For you, NPC use of KB will be a problem in human form unless/until you get a protection IO. NPC use of knockback/knockdown has exploded since issue 7, to the point where for a long while I felt like there were fewer enemies who -didn't- use it than did. Your own KB ranges from a nuisance (radiant strike punting something you want to keep whacking on, forcing you to chase) to a detriment (AOE powers scattering spawns and interfering with team performance). All you can do is work hard on controlling it in teams.

Dual builds can be very expensive, unless you're sticking with SOs or frankenslotting. Personally I'd say to create one 'top-end' build that suits your style properly, instead of two mid-range ones. Then either SO or frankenslot the secondary build you'll not use as much. You're going to spend most of your time on one of the two builds, depending on your favored activities and playstle, and the other build will thus represent time (because inf and merit production is a matter of time) that's gone to waste (because you aren't using it much).

The one character I'm using dual builds on is a widow, taking one NW branch build and one fortunata branch one. But the NW build is just plain better for what I do and matches my playstyle more, so the fortunata one is now mostly for show or the occasional change of pace. The rest of my characters really have no use for dual builds; my PB had an extremely high end build already when the feature was introduced.

I'd say to split your two builds between 'solo' and 'teaming' on a PB, rather than specifically by which forms either build has - decide that on preference and playstle. You can dramatically change the soloability and team utility of triform kheldians by rearranging their slots; it wouldn't be ludicrous to have two differently-slotted triform builds if that's what you like (especially if you're using SOs).

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"Experience is the mother of good judgement. Bad judgement is the father of experience."

Sweet, thanks for the info guys. I thought so about the IO, but better safe than sorry. Sucks abouthe KB thought. Oh well.

Ill do that with my second build, making a team one.

Thanks guys

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For a Human Only form, get a -KB IO as soon as possible. You spend too much time in Melee range to not have it, and it makes a world of difference. I can't believe I went so long without one haha...

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yea I got one, just need to get to 10 to slot it. I am already getting knocked on my butt just at 6

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In Human-form I'm still KB'ed on my butt quite a bit at Lv50... gotta leave something for the poor NPC's to use against me... seeing as I return the favor with Dwarf Flare with a vengeance

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I believe that a Kheldian Gold Standard should be based on SO's, and for anything above that... there's Platinum!

Save Ms. Liberty (#5349) � Augmenting Peacebringers � The Umbra Illuminati

I'd definitely suggest frankenslotting a PB (or WS for that matter) early. Just doing that for the Nova blasts, for example, means I'm no longer sucking wind for End by the third spawn or so on a fast team.

And if I was going to do a dual build early on I'd focus one on blasting (Nova) and the other on tanking (Dwarf) because most teams tend to need more damage or more support to move more quickly. Heck, some just need someone to take the alpha and set the pace to move efficiently.

I have friends who swear by humanform PBs, but I think they lend themselves better to solo play, as team play emphasises AoEs and most of their AoEs scatter spawns. If you expect to solo a lot, though, they make fairly good "scrappers".

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Dual Builds are very effective, so much so that on a Kheldian you can have one build be Human-only, while another build would be a TriFormer. No other AT in the game benefits from dual builds as much as Kheldians do, in my opinion.


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I think he meant "dual form", but what you say is certainly truth. That's how I have all 3 of my Khelds set up--Build 1: Human form only and Build 2: Tri-Form carnage.

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I have friends who swear by humanform PBs, but I think they lend themselves better to solo play, as team play emphasises AoEs and most of their AoEs scatter spawns. If you expect to solo a lot, though, they make fairly good "scrappers".

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Agreed. Human-form only PBs tend to only *slightly* improve things when on a team (though still useful), but solo... They're great. I've done a lot of soloing on my all-human form through all the Ouro arcs, and had a great time.

Human-form-only on a WS, on the other hand.... w00t! Team with mine sometime on an 8-person team... Because seeing is believing.

"The One"

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