Stealth and maneuvers
By
Besserwisser,
Posted on: 2009-05-25 08:55 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
http://coh.redtomax.com/data/powers/
-Rachel-
Stealth base def 1.75%
Maneuvers base def 2.275%
Use Mids Hero Designer or City of Data to get numbers like this: http://coh.redtomax.com/data/powers/
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Yeah I tried redtomax but it didn't show the defense numbers for stealth or maneuvers. It had some error. Any idea what the defense value drops down to on stealth if you attack?
Thanks for the numbers though!
Stealth and Maneuvers provide different benefits depending on what AT you're actually playing; The value Stealth gives you is cut in half when you attack, and for 10 seconds after you stop (though I think aggro still plays in with this; if it does, then it comes back up 10 seconds after the last time you were attacked, or you attacked something else).
For a Blaster, Stealth provides 3.5% defense (1.75% while attacking), and Maneuvers provides 2.28%. For a Defender, these values are 5% (2.5% suppressed) and 3.5%. And so on.
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Yeah I tried redtomax but it didn't show the defense numbers for stealth or maneuvers. It had some error. Any idea what the defense value drops down to on stealth if you attack?
Thanks for the numbers though!
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If you attack or get hit by an attack Stealth's defense suppresses to half its normal value. Really not worth slotting for defense in my opinion.
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Yeah I tried redtomax but it didn't show the defense numbers for stealth or maneuvers. It had some error. Any idea what the defense value drops down to on stealth if you attack?
Thanks for the numbers though!
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Normally I would agree with you, but I'm looking for alternatives to slotting powers for defense. In my build I can't use any purple IO's because I'm forced to slot for defense to soft cap... So hopefully I can get rid of a few percents and free up some slotting. Also taking the stealth line will allow me to throw in a couple more LotG's.
Thanks again for the help!
If you attack or get hit by an attack Stealth's defense suppresses to half its normal value. Really not worth slotting for defense in my opinion.
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Not sure how i did that.. Heh.
I hope you've already taken Combat Jumping before you start thinking about Stealth. Not only does it give a decent defense bonus, but can also be slotted with Blessing of the Zephyr (and of course LotG).
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I hope you've already taken Combat Jumping before you start thinking about Stealth. Not only does it give a decent defense bonus, but can also be slotted with Blessing of the Zephyr (and of course LotG).
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This. Combat Jumping with a stealth IO and whatever else you want to slot it with is far superior to Stealth in my opinion.
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Ok, thx for the advice!
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I tried searching but the damn search engine sux!
Can someone give me some defense numbers? I'm trying to find some alternatives to slotting for defense...
Thx
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I disagree on the topic of the search engine, it is fairly robust while not being overly full of options. It allows you to quickly target a specific forum, search by title or title+body, set a date range with newer vs. older functionality AND lets you pre-format the results in a variety of ways.
I would say though that looking for those numbers may be difficult if you don't know what phrases to use to get the results you want. I did a search for "+stealth +defense +bonus" filtering out the results within the last week to avoid turning up this thread and found the number in the top results in the scrapper forum. Of course if you don't realize the power pools function differently per class then even that is useless....
So yes, Red Tomax City of Data is simply a better place to look for things like this than these forums at all. More of a problem with the data and forum than the search per se. The search can't turn up info that isn't there! You can also check out the power in game now too if that helps.
The power pool powers in Red Tomax' site currently show a SQL error for the numbers, and display Blaster as the class modifier in the drop box.
If you switch to another class (eg Defender) and then maybe back to Blaster if they're the values you want to see, you get the proper results, and it displays the numbers correctly.
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Yeah I tried redtomax but it didn't show the defense numbers for stealth or maneuvers. It had some error.
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His scripting is occasionally a little glitchy. It looks like right now when you click on a power pool power, it's not properly selecting the archetype. The drop-down menu defaults to Blaster but the effects are shown with SQL errors. Using that drop-down menu just above the effects list for the power, select your AT (or if you DID want to look at Blaster numbers, select a different AT and then select Blaster again). Sometimes this works and the effects are shown correctly.
edit: Scooped! 
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I tried searching but the damn search engine sux!
Can someone give me some defense numbers? I'm trying to find some alternatives to slotting for defense...
Thx