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Seems the outside world is less than enthused as well. While appeal to majority is very weak its considerably better than because I say so that you and so many antifarmers use
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Actually, all it demonstrates is that the outside world is simply more concerned with drama, rather than the regular "oh, and that MA thing, it's doing pretty well. Players like it, are using it, seems to have been some minor glitches but that's to be expected". Nor does it demonstrate a majority. Let's face it, those willing to voice their opinions on forums, message boards, and such articles are a the vocal minority.
What it comes down o is that it doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out which is a more appealing read to someone who doesn't play the game. 
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My father passed away 30 years ago, I am not looking for another one. If I were I wouldn't want one that throws a hissy fit because people don't get his vision. If that's your bag and it certainly seems to be the groove of many forum posters fine and good, just don't be surprised when most people don't share it.
Slashdot front page article on MA
Seems the outside world is less than enthused as well. While appeal to majority is very weak its considerably better than because I say so that you and so many antifarmers use
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An article about an article, guess it's fame of sorts. Obviously from the posts *startled* some people who play CoH also are Slashdot subscribers. Looks like some of the threads here have just spilled over there.
To the father thing, Positron's post sounded like something my father would say: "Clean up your room yourself, or I'll clean it up for you. However, I don't know what's trash and what's a toy; so, don't be surprised if I throw everything away." or what I say to my son: "That's a chair to sit in. It isn't a step stool, a hammer, or a see-saw. If you can't use it as a chair, I'm going to have to take it away."
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If I were I wouldn't want one that throws a hissy fit because people don't get his vision.
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What I object to is this portrayal of Positron's post as a "hissy fit" because it is most certainly was not.
Postitron IS an authority OF the game.
Positron HAS a very real business investment and interest in the game to maintain the game's balance and integrity.
Part of that investment IS to maintain the game's structured risk vs reward balance and detour exploitation.
The Player Base HAS been warned in the past that there could be consequences for pursuit and exploitation of bugs and oversights.
Egregious exploitative offenses WERE committed that violated this structure and balance to an extreme.
Do you really expect that there would not be any punitive measures taken? No denouncement of bad and exploitative practices and behavior issued? These are NOT rhetorical questions.
perhaps then, he should have paid better attention to these details before launch...
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What I object to is this portrayal of Positron's post as a "hissy fit" because it is most certainly was not.
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It was both that and disingenuous.
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Positron HAS a very real business investment and interest in the game to maintain the game's balance and integrity.
Part of that investment IS to maintain the game's structured risk vs reward balance and detour exploitation
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Yes so banning people who have leveled up to fast does what for the business investement and the desire to keep people playing ?
As to the rest I seriously doubt there is any action that he could take where you wouldnt say "Well its in the Eula"
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It was both that and disingenuous.
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There was nothing disingenuous about it and it was not "a hissy fit."
Is anytime anyone with authority rebukes another person's bad behavior a "hissy fit"?
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Yes so banning people who have leveled up to fast does what for the business investement and the desire to keep people playing ?
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It shows a commitment to maintaining the established and intended structure of the game and prevents such exploitative practices from being thought of as the norm or status quo. It establishes this commitment to be elevated above any short term profit loss, and gives integrity to the game as a whole.
And you never answered my questions.
Do you really expect that there would not be any punitive measures taken? No denouncement of bad and exploitative practices and behavior issued?
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And you never answered my questions.
Do you really expect that there would not be any punitive measures taken? No denouncement of bad and exploitative practices and behavior issued?
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Were the winterlord power levelers punished ?
The Wolf Farmers ?
The people that 6 slotted hasten ?
Just to make it clear punishing other people for your shortcomings is problematic.
As to showing commitment all he has done is shown a commitment to being able to act arbitrarily.
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A statement denouncing the exploitation of this bug was issued. It is what in professional terms would be called a Verbal Reprimand, which is a formal form of punishment. Further steps were taken to prevent this from happening again. It was very bad, but it pales in comparison to what was happening in the AE. People were just as upset then and considered it punishment.
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The Wolf Farmers ?
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Rocks were given to the wolves. Burn got nerfed. Powers got changed. Eventually a mission timer was added to make sure the mission expired. I believe that later on the actual untimed mission was removed from the game to prevent players who still had it open from being able to continue exploiting it. This was a bit of a learning curve for the Devs, to be sure, and many people saw the steps they took as punishment.
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The people that 6 slotted hasten ?
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This is a non-starter. This was not an exploit. This is just how the whole system worked. People 6 slotted almost everything because it made practical sense.
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Just to make it clear punishing other people for your shortcomings is problematic.
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Taking advantage and exploiting the shortcomings of others is bad behavior, looked down upon, and is punished in general when it is discovered.
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Were the winterlord power levelers punished ?
The Wolf Farmers ?
The people that 6 slotted hasten ?
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First of all, Posi wasn't the guy in charge at the time of the events you mentioned; Jack ultimately decided how to deal with those matters.
Secondly, it was mentioned several times over the months preceding I14's release that the devs would be closely monitoring the AE system for obvious exploits and farms by players. The most apparent conclusion one could make was that they would take action against the offenders in such cases. Nobody can say they weren't warned.
Finally, I believe the reason for action being taken in this case is that the AE system is something that allows the players to take as much control as possible over content; that means they are ultimately responsible for what they publish and choose to play. Punishing the player in cases where dev-created content/system is involved would be akin to giving a taxi passenger a ticket when the driver was speeding.
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There is already a thread to discuss Posi's statement. Rehashing the discussion here is non productive.
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Outside of the groupthink that occurs in the offices of paragon studious and the forumites on these boards, highhanded tactics and threatening epistles like posis don't go over to well.
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The only mistake Posi made was using his "dad voice", although I certainly understand why he did. His content was spot on and never threatened the player base, but did threaten (and meant to) certain individuals exhibiting certain behavior. Most rational people would read it as "well, he sounds pretty pissed, but...so?". Not as "OMG, he's going to go on a mass toon/account deleting party!! DOOOOOOOM!"
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My father passed away 30 years ago, I am not looking for another one. If I were I wouldn't want one that throws a hissy fit because people don't get his vision. If that's your bag and it certainly seems to be the groove of many forum posters fine and good, just don't be surprised when most people don't share it.
Slashdot front page article on MA
Seems the outside world is less than enthused as well. While appeal to majority is very weak its considerably better than because I say so that you and so many antifarmers use