What is and is not Abuse?


Amberyl

 

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If you are gaining xp with 0 risk, it's abuse (if you can herd/pull 3 critter groups and drop them all in under 3 minutes with over 50% health/end remaining, I'd call that close enough to 0 risk). This includes door sitting.


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I have toons that can do that with pretty much most available factions in game... Well, not gain xp since it's really hard to get that last xp needed to hit 51, but still.

Guess I'd just better stay away from MA all together to be on the safe side. I'd hate to have one of my billion dollar build toons deleted.

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Yah.. I should apparently stay away even with my Single Origin Enhanced chars because I have a few that can do that. Only reason they're using SO's is because of how cheap SO's are via tickets, heh. :x


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Here's what I think based on Posi's statement:

None of the things mentioned in the OP are abuse, not even when used all at once. Posi said they would be rolling back rewards achieved through exploits, and none of those things are exploits. If there's a critter whose XP is out of whack, like the comm officers were, or that doesn't fight back, like the Snake Eggs, then those are exploits. If someone finds some map oddity that lets them kill things without getting hit, that'd be an exploit. Nothing you describe is like that. Nothing you described could take you from 1 - 50 in 3 hours, or anything approaching that.

Posi's statement did not imply that he was targetting farmers or PLers - only those that use exploits to rocket through levels. Keep farming and PLing if you want, just don't use exploits.

Yes, we should have a clearer definition of what an exploit is.

We'll see if I'm wrong.


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Here's what I think based on Posi's statement:

None of the things mentioned in the OP are abuse, not even when used all at once. Posi said they would be rolling back rewards achieved through exploits, and none of those things are exploits. If there's a critter whose XP is out of whack, like the comm officers were, or that doesn't fight back, like the Snake Eggs, then those are exploits. If someone finds some map oddity that lets them kill things without getting hit, that'd be an exploit. Nothing you describe is like that. Nothing you described could take you from 1 - 50 in 3 hours, or anything approaching that.

Posi's statement did not imply that he was targetting farmers or PLers - only those that use exploits to rocket through levels. Keep farming and PLing if you want, just don't use exploits.

Yes, we should have a clearer definition of what an exploit is.

We'll see if I'm wrong.

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That is exactly the way it read to me as well.

As to all Boss mission specifically: I recall in early discussions that that was actually an example given by the devs in answer to a question. If the map has 25 points to place them, you can have 25 bosses. That's not an exploit.

If the risk:reward is reasonable, I wouldn't worry about how you set up and/or play MA content. The real exploits are pretty obvious.

"Normal" farming is okay; exploiting for insane gains is not.


 

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Just my opinions:

If you are gaining xp with 0 risk, it's abuse (if you can herd/pull 3 critter groups and drop them all in under 3 minutes with over 50% health/end remaining, I'd call that close enough to 0 risk). This includes door sitting.

If you are gaining levels faster than 1 per hour (beyond level 5), it's abuse.

Doesn't matter if it's a Dev mission or not.

I think that pretty much covers it.

BTW, OP, saw you on TV, you were cool.

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Wow, I guess my brutes can never be played on any mission again. Because the only place i drop below half health is maybe the RSF if we pull all the heroes at once.