Smoke Grenade: Need ACC for PVE?


BlackSly

 

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I dug around in the postings for the past year and I couldnt find anything hard on this power so I wanted to ask.

I am playing a AR/Device Blaster and I just got Smoke Grenade. While it takes ACC enhancements, I have noticed that it "seems" to auto hit or has a high base to hit in PVE.

Is the ACC enhancement only for PVP purposes and its Auto-Hit in PVE?

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Does the smoke effect on the mobs show regardless if it effects them or not (bug)?


 

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It SHOULD be Aut-Hit in PvE...but it's not...

You'll want Acc in it, regardless...


 

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My advice would be to respec out of it. Any other power (including jumpkick) would be more useful. If you don't have taser, get that. It's great (and now has a bit of range)


@Deadedge and @Dead Edge


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Yes. Smoke Grenade has trouble hitting anything past +2 LT's with just TD or anything with defense like Bedrocks.


 

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Then the Mob visual effect must be bugged...cause I have yet to see the smoke not show on anyone that has been hit or anyone in the AOE range.

I dont have any ACC in it right now and I seem to be hitting Oranges with no misses.

Maybe its something that _Castle_ needs to look into?


 

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Unless it was changed in the recent patch and not posted in the notes, Smoke Grenade is still working as normal. It's not the visual smoke that tells you missed or not, it's the MISS! that appears over their head. Lob some smoke grenades at some +2-+3, and you'll see it, I would run the test myself, but I'm at work at the moment. When I get home, I'll do it, but I don't expect anything different.


 

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Unless it was changed in the recent patch and not posted in the notes, Smoke Grenade is still working as normal. It's not the visual smoke that tells you missed or not, it's the MISS! that appears over their head. Lob some smoke grenades at some +2-+3, and you'll see it, I would run the test myself, but I'm at work at the moment. When I get home, I'll do it, but I don't expect anything different.

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See if you get your normal results. I cant fight +2/+3 yet (only 17) but I do see Oranges at my current diff level.

Sadly it dont show hits or misses in the combat log so I cant use that to see if ive missed, and I havent seen any "missed" above the target when it hits. I have time to check cause I hit with smoke then Snipe, so its something I have a few seconds to watch for.

I have sent a PM to _Castle_ on the topic to clarify the matter. Personaly the smoke effect shouldnt appear on the mob unless they were effected by the power, so I guess we will see if that is "working as intended" or if it is a graphical bug.


 

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Smoke Grenade is non-aggro, so you can just toss em all your want, as long as you don't get too closeor attack. It doesn't display hits in the chat text, but it does display misses, which also displays above their heads, if you missed you will see MISS!, if you hit you won't see anything, but it landed.


 

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I understand that, but to my knowledge I have never seen a miss appear above any of the targets or the AOE targets head.

As an example, in the lower levels I have used Web grenade alot and I can tell when I missed and it was alot. There is no reason why the 2 powers would have a different base acc.

With Smoke Grenade, im effecting 2-3 times more targets and I havent seen a thing yet.

But like I said, you test and see if you get the same results. It could be something wtih I8 (this is a new I8 toon).


 

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No, it's not. I had it(by accident) a few days ago, and it still has a tohit check, and it's still next to useless.

I recommend you drop it for superspeed. Same result, more consistent and manipulatable means.


 

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Is the ACC enhancement only for PVP purposes and its Auto-Hit in PVE?


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It should require a to hit check in both PvE and PvP - however you may have Targeting Drone so slotting for Acc may not be necessary.
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Does the smoke effect on the mobs show regardless if it effects them or not (bug)?



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The smoke effect should only show on affected mobs and should last roughly 60 seconds.


@Deadboy

 

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Woooah! I swear to god, at this very moment, I have chucked over two dozen SGs at +8's, no acc no drone, every hit has landed with no miss. Even one throw at a +8 bosses and it didn't miss. Either I am in a the Twilight Zone or it's the real deal. PMing Castle...


 

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Could have been in the last patch, then? I tested after i8, but not the patch.


 

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Possibly. A few days ago I noticed I wasn't gettting any misses, but I just assumed it was because of Fortitude and Tactics in the group I was running. But if it's hitting now... waiting on Castle's confirmation is too much...


 

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This is indeed good news I await his response to you eagerly as well. I may be taking SG at 41 then, or respec it back in.


-Largo

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Hmmm... a stealth buff or a bug? I can't wait to find out!


 

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Ok well.. I have Smoke Grenade pretty late in my build and of course it has Lysos.. so I'm really not a good test subject. Out of 10 packs of pve mobs ranging from even level to +3 SG indicated no misses (meaning say out of a pack of 4 I could see the debuff effect on each one) and the mobs sizes ranged from small (2-3) to medium (7-9). I tested SG in pvp as well with the help of Kush and Midnight Power (thanks guys/gals) and again I could see the debuff effect but never saw a "hit" or "miss" indication.

I think I have a version of Deadboy on test that's hamifree so I can test with him later.


@Deadboy

 

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Nada from Castle other then a read recipet. I did some further testing and Smoke Grenade seems to be hitting everything I found so far up to +8. I got risky as well and 170,000 debt later, it seems to be working at least on the auto hit. I was able to hit several large spawns with no misses. But I also discovered if I tried to toss Smoke Grenade on those groups close up with CD, I was seen, which indicates to me that CD was supressed and Smoke Grenade does break itself before reapplying on the second toss. Also, the cut off for preception seems to be +5, anything higher appears like it might be resisting the perception debuff if I attempted to us SG, wait for CD to unsupress, and walk close up.


 

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Apparently, I forgot to write up a patch note on this...mea culpa.

The -Perception portion of Smoke Grenade for Devices is now auto-hit in PVE. The To Hit Debuff and PvP segments of the power still require a 'To Hit' check.

EDIT: There was also a slight change to Cloaking Device which should help with the SG breaking Stealth a bit. Experiment with it some and let me know what you think.


 

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*blink* *blink* So....I might be able to drop SS for stealthiness


@Deadedge and @Dead Edge


Peace through power! Freedom is slavery!
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a yo-yo

 

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Thank you Castle. *bows down and worships Castle* I am not worthy! I am not worthy!

Now I wonder what the Cloaking Device chance is?


 

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YES I found something!!!

YAY!!!!!

(Gets off the stage to perserve my 15 mins of fame)


 

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And as long as we're being self-congratulatory, all the people that politely PMed Castle begging for SG to be made auto-hit in PvE should take a bow.

/e bow


 

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The Night Widow smoke grenade's -Perception seems to be a little bit stronger than it should. I popped an Insight, and still couldn't see the red Toxic Tarantula just down the hall.


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*blink* *blink* So....I might be able to drop SS for stealthiness

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I still prefer buffs to debuffs... and since I'm not dropping hasten any time soon, ss stays