Pose help wanted

Doing a Portrait style pic for a friend but am having issues with the pose , It will eventually be his toon punching out statesman and statesmans head breaking the border of the image .
This is what I have so far /rough WIP

The punching arm is bothering me and a few friends have stated something similiar , I like the pose/layout but the arm is giving me mental coniptions any feedback/suggestions are greatly appreciated

You're off to a good start.

I like that pose, but I think the punching arm looks to long. That could just be me.

Mystic

I know where your coming from with the punching arm not looking quiet right, still trying to put my finger on it.

Other than that its looking good, hope we get to see the finished product.

Looking good. I think that the shoulder of the punching arm is too far forward - it seems like the punching arm is going back, not forward. I think if you push the shoulder back and rotate the torso around somewhat it should work.

I think the reason it bugs you is that the body and the arm are really two different poses. If you were to go with the arm pose the chest needs to move in more and if you were to go with the body pose the arm needs to have already hit and flinging towards the viewer. Just my thoughts!

I think I'd try rotating the back hip forward. You gotta step into a punch like that, is all.

It looks awesome though. Kudos to you.

yea, looks more like he's hitting Statsie with the back of his hand, rather than punching him. maybe lower the head a bit like he's moving foward, gotta step into and follow through with a hit like that. rotate the hips a bit. and the shoulders need to come down too I think, more hunched over.

am I making sense?

I /love/ the expressions though. can't wait to see the finished piece.

Yep, I think the problem is with the torso and not the arm. The puncher's torso needs to be turned into the punch more. (and, consequently, the nonpunching arm would need to be a tad bit behind the body).

This is gonna be sooooooo cool!!! I <3 Blackstar!!!

With Poses, what helps me best is mimicking them myself. If the pose is off even a little you'll feel it, and better yet you'll feel exactly "where" it's off.

The Right Arm is good! lovely Rendition of an Overhead Smash. You may want to round off the shoulder muscle though.

The main thing that's off when I assume that pose, My left hand. It feels unnatural in that position. I'd suggest taking it back in more of a "V" formation. Cause that's what feels right to me if I was extending my right downwards, twistin my hip into the motion, my left hand wants to move back and up into a gaurding position.

I can draw it better than explain it, here.

Me 2 bits,

-CJ

You seem to have two different boxing poses going on.

the upper torso, head and shoulders are more like the center pic here

Your lower torso and arm are more like lower corner pics of this


This index might help you DB. It has collages of many big name fights, with some good action shots of real boxers and reactions to real punches.

Edit:This pic might be what you're looking for DB.

Boo! Zhamed's an arrogant pr*ck! One helluva boxer, but major pr*ck.

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You seem to have two different boxing poses going on.

the upper torso, head and shoulders are more like the center pic here

Your lower torso and arm are more like lower corner pics of this


This index might help you DB. It has collages of many big name fights, with some good action shots of real boxers and reactions to real punches.

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Awesome resource!!

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You seem to have two different boxing poses going on.

the upper torso, head and shoulders are more like the center pic here

Your lower torso and arm are more like lower corner pics of this


This index might help you DB. It has collages of many big name fights, with some good action shots of real boxers and reactions to real punches.

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Awesome resource!!

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Nice!

agreed about what other have said about the pose...that said I actually don't have an issue with the pic pose as it stands now. the thing that does stand out (to me at least) is the head seems a bit large. on our hero...not much but just enough that I think it throws the balance off..... but that's just me...

other than that I would say its a very fine WIP ~

From what I can see...the right shoulder is too far forward, it needs to come back slightly. And the hand within the fire (?) doesn't quite line up with the lower arm. It looks like the hand and the arm don't really connect.

It's a really good start though. Just a little adjustment, and it'll be fine.

Oh, nice, and, ya I'd have to... um... 8th everyone else about the shoulders (that's the crux of the problem with the punch). The simple solution, lower the punching shoulder and raise the shoulder in back... you basically have them completely reversed.

As it stands right now, his shoulders are saying "pull back!" not "throw down!". If he were really whompin' states, he'd be putting his whole body into that punch, and that means the weight of his body and forward momentum would be bearing down on his punching shoulder. That shoulder would be driving forwards and down pushing the arm even harder into State's face.

As Jimson mentioned, the best thing to do for any pose is to do it your self. Watch what your doing and, if possible, do it in front of a big [censored] mirror. Pay particular attention to where your weight is going, that will help to tell you what you need to put emphasis on in the drawing.

Another thing that helps out a LOT with dynamic poses is to do a couple of quick gesture burns. Just scribble like mad on some scratch paper (the bigger the better) and focus on drawing the movement as opposed to the figure... that will also help you with weight and movement and keeps things from being like static mannequins or statues mimicking the pose instead of engaging in it.

I also agree with Xenophon's reference picture suggestion. That last image is the kind of pose you are looking for.

And Graver makes a good suggestion about posing sketches.

Finally, I would add that friends and family are wonderful for use as models, not to mention yourself with the help of a mirror.

But I think I am going to book mark that website. Thanks Xenophon!

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But I think I am going to book mark that website. Thanks Xenophon!

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It's the least I can do. I cannot draw, but I am good at research and can do a little writing. If I can help those of you with artistic talent, then I'm happy to do it.

(and the sooner DB gets done, the sooner I can see her next picture..... )

My understanding is that the theory of drawing a punch pose is that you either set the pose at beginning of full windup, moment of impact or end of follow-through. Those are the most dramatic moments of the punch sequence, and usually it's the end of follow-through that offers the most drama.

In your pose you appear to have the puncher at complete follow-through but the receiver is at moment of impact, so the end result seems like the punch only connected at the end of the follow-through where power is commonly interpreted as relatively weak.

If you move the head of the receiver more towards the middle of the swoosh of the punch arc, and twist it away from the arc a little more, you'd probably get a better feeling of thunderous impact from the resulting layout.

[color=#cc99cc]I can't offer anything technical, but I did notice the shoulder thingy. I really just wanted to say it's looking pretty damn cool so far.

Thanks everyone , just got home from school /work and intend to try to work everyones suggestions in

Hopefully i'll post an updated version later tonight

<3 everyone for the advice

side note....why do I think of mary tyler moore when I see your avatar?
hmmm....I believe I may have been at work way to long today....~