Are Veterans Getting Penalized for CoV/Hero Gear?
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AmericanSteel,
Posted on: 2006-08-17 19:10 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Consider the amount of mostly intelligent discussion this has generated...I wouldn't say I was entirely batty.
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But I am.
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I really hope they get this worked out before the rewards go live..
after all.. mine says this..
1 Years, 4 Months
Account Created
Apr 04 2004
Granted a missed about 4 months or so.. but .....
I've read a lot of this thread but I still have questions... 
What are the Veteran Rewards? Is there a list or something?
When do they become live?
FTR, i've been here for 2 years, 5 months...
Thanks, Fury
No list. Positron said in an interview that trenchcoats will be one, I think available at three months.
They should go in with I8, hopefully around September.
Ah, thanks for the info...
Fury
So far as I know, trenchcoats are the only confirmed vet. reward. There's been talk of the Nemesis staff, but nothing concrete.
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There are no words for what this community, and the friends I have made here mean to me. Please know that I care for all of you, yes, even you. If you Twitter, I'm MrThan. If you're Unleashed, I'm dumps. I'll try and get registered on the Titan Forums as well. Peace, and thanks for the best nine years anyone could ever ask for.
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I really hope they get this worked out before the rewards go live..
after all.. mine says this..
1 Years, 4 Months
Account Created
Apr 04 2004
Granted a missed about 4 months or so.. but .....
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There's nothing to "get worked out." The calculation they're going to use has nothing to do with the "paid time" showing on your NCSoft account page. It's subscribed time, which includes all the free months that would have come with boxed purchases, as Cuppa has already said.
It would lessen the confusion if they'd put subscribed time on your account page instead of (or at least in addition to) "paid time," but at any rate you can stop worrying. The time you see on your account page is not the one they're using for the vet rewards calculation...
When they say "time," do they mean the generally accepted definition (ie, that thing that keeps everything from happening at once) or do they have a more specific definition based on the General Theoryof Relativity?
And if the latter, what relative speed are they assuming? Because people living near the equator are moving faster than people nearer the poles, so they have a briefer subjective time. Is that fair?
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When they say "time," do they mean the generally accepted definition (ie, that thing that keeps everything from happening at once) or do they have a more specific definition based on the General Theoryof Relativity?
And if the latter, what relative speed are they assuming? Because people living near the equator are moving faster than people nearer the poles, so they have a briefer subjective time. Is that fair?
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Nerf teh Equator! ;-)
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So the number of hours I've thought about playing Co* is used to determine which veteran rewards I'm getting, right?
I'm still amazed at how many people still seem to have trouble understand that the rewards are based on the number of times you have taken a bath or a shower while logged in with your character inside a mission so you won't get auto-logged.
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Ok, coming back from a lag in internet access, and I have to say I'm confussed, even after looking through all the posts. Do we have a definate answer yet? Is it:
A.) Total Paid Time = Time
B.) Account Created Date through Current Date = Time
C.) Hours Logged In = Time
D.) Some other variant?
Because in my situation, I was in Beta, Bought the Preorder, Bought the game, Bought the DVD Edition of the game, Beta'd CoV, Bought CoV Preorder, Bought CoV, Got another copy of the game as a gift, Left, Came back after 2 months with a 15day come back and join us thingy, Got ANOTHER copy of the game as a gift, and here we stand now.
So all together, I've got like almost 6 months where I had an active account but didn't have to pay.
My Total Time Paid shows 12 months (which baffles me since I've only taken 6 months off in these 3 years) with the 6 months or so free play.
If it's a case where it's A. That blows.
If it's B. That's lame as well, since I played about an hour or two every day for a long time, but didn't sit there taking a bath whilst a character sat idle.
If it's C. Neat, but hardly fair.
Sorry if I'm behind, but I've been incommunicado man for a while.
I think that currently they're planning on doing it by total amount time played. Which is basically the amount of time your account's been active, to include any and all free months.
I could be wrong though.
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And when he says time played, it means months that you have been able to play, not the actual amount that you have played.
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Soooo if one were to buy CoH in 2004 when it came out then played for a bit, get bored, deactivate their account, then reactivate it because they wanted to play again, it basically doesnt count for much?
From what CuppaJo said, and from how CoV Beta invites were treated, it'll be based on how many months your account has been active up to the current date. This will include any free months given by the original CoH purchase, CoV, Hero Gear kits, etc. This will not include future subscription time (like if you pay for 3 years in advance or whatever, they'd only count the subscription time up until the current date).
(The not counting future subscription time thing I'm not absolutely positive about. But based on what we've been told so far -- which is not nearly as confusing as the more worry-prone among us seem intent on making it out to be -- veteran's rewards are not going to be based on the "total paid time" in your account screen, or how many hours you've got logged on your toons, or how much you suck up to the Devs, or anything other than "total subscribed time.")
wow... now im really really depressed.
i had to deactivate my account for about 20 months because i was going through a rough time and didnt have enough money to pay for it. Oh well, 12 month veteran reward for me then.
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wow... now im really really depressed.
i had to deactivate my account for about 20 months because i was going through a rough time and didnt have enough money to pay for it. Oh well, 12 month veteran reward for me then.
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I'm not sure what you were expecting. I don't think even the people who are confused about Cuppa's statements are expecting time that wasn't paid/subscribed for to be included in the reward calculation...
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wow... now im really really depressed.
i had to deactivate my account for about 20 months because i was going through a rough time and didnt have enough money to pay for it. Oh well, 12 month veteran reward for me then.
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I'm not sure what you were expecting. I don't think even the people who are confused about Cuppa's statements are expecting time that wasn't paid/subscribed for to be included in the reward calculation...
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yeah i know its just really unfortunate for me... 
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Try to act like this forum is just a bunch of people gathered in a room, talking over some things. I hope the next time you're in a board room and someone asks for clarification you don't tell them they're an idiot for not immediately grasping the concept.
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Well since you can't fire me, or sue me, or get a gossip war going against me I feel confident that anyone here can point out stupid things people say like, "I've played... 5000 hours, he's played 1000 (arbitrary numbers), but we've paid for the same amount of time... I would receive more Vet rewards than him? "
Kinda like explaining to my Boss' Boss that having the Crisis Intervention Team (people who talk people down from bridges) give a presentation and stay all day at a job fair may not be the best utilization of resources as it would cost the company anywhere from $1000 to $5000. "But you guys can go hours between calls." After quickly looking out the window, rolling my eyes, and taking a deep breath my response was professional (something like, "If we take more than 15 minutes to get to a call the company is billed $1000) and didn't even point out that he had the IQ of a gnat. Basically because he could may my life hard or get me fired. On the other hand there is blantantly stupid things people that don't have that kind of power over my life say that I don't have to give a professional response to.
Anyway why should a person who has paid for 2 years and played 10000 hours get more of these rewards than a person who has paid for 2 years and played 100 hours? I think person number 2 is the best kind of customer in the world. Reminds me of when I rented out a room to a flight attendant. Saw her maybe 5 times in six months and never had to deal with any of the normal stuff involving room mates. I was really sorry to see her go and would have bent over backwards to get her to stay.
The author of this post is speaking in generalities from his personal experience.
Your experience may vary.
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Ok, coming back from a lag in internet access, and I have to say I'm confussed, even after looking through all the posts. Do we have a definate answer yet? Is it:
A.) Total Paid Time = Time
B.) Account Created Date through Current Date = Time
C.) Hours Logged In = Time
D.) Some other variant?
Because in my situation, I was in Beta, Bought the Preorder, Bought the game, Bought the DVD Edition of the game, Beta'd CoV, Bought CoV Preorder, Bought CoV, Got another copy of the game as a gift, Left, Came back after 2 months with a 15day come back and join us thingy, Got ANOTHER copy of the game as a gift, and here we stand now.
So all together, I've got like almost 6 months where I had an active account but didn't have to pay.
My Total Time Paid shows 12 months (which baffles me since I've only taken 6 months off in these 3 years) with the 6 months or so free play.
If it's a case where it's A. That blows.
If it's B. That's lame as well, since I played about an hour or two every day for a long time, but didn't sit there taking a bath whilst a character sat idle.
If it's C. Neat, but hardly fair.
Sorry if I'm behind, but I've been incommunicado man for a while.
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Is it too late to point out again that the time on your account information is wrong and not how these are being calculated? So, here again is a link to a post by CuppaJo where she says "This played time includes any time that would come with a retail box purchase or hero gear purchase. In fact - the system already tracks this 'included' time. It is just not set up to make that data visible to you in your account management screen yet. "
And another where she says, "Subscribed time would be a better term."
So your answer is not B or C.
The author of this post is speaking in generalities from his personal experience.
Your experience may vary.
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Try to act like this forum is just a bunch of people gathered in a room, talking over some things. I hope the next time you're in a board room and someone asks for clarification you don't tell them they're an idiot for not immediately grasping the concept.
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Man, wouldn't that be nice?
I've seen two forums like that in 30 years of telecomming...and they were both private boards.
Welcome to the internet.
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Anyway why should a person who has paid for 2 years and played 10000 hours get more of these rewards than a person who has paid for 2 years and played 100 hours?
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Because if person number 2 has only played 100 hours, it obviously means he's a dirty, filthy powerleveler.
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Consider the amount of mostly intelligent discussion this has generated...I wouldn't say I was entirely batty.
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But I am.