Arcana's Guide to Defense 1.1

Arcanaville · 11-17-2005 01:37 PM

Here's version 1.1 of the Guide to Defense. I finally got around to incorporating all my notes on defense changes, although so much has changed its possible I missed a thing or two here and there. Specifically, the following additions have been made:

* Enhancement Diversification
* Power Pool defense changes
* PvP changes
* CoV defense sets and powers
* Lots of minor fix up and confirmation changes, plus some new questions

Of course, additional suggestions always welcome.

Defense in CoH

Defense, and its relationship to the basic tohit equations, is one of the least understood mechanisms in City of Heroes. This guide will try to explain Defense, how it functions, how it relates to tohit probabilities, and how it interacts with the other elements related to Defense in the game.

DEFINITIONS AND THE BASIC TOHIT EQUATIONS

The basic tohit formula

Net tohit = BaseToHit - Defense

where:

Net tohit: the probability that one thing will hit another thing with an attack. If net tohit is 45%, then 45% of the time when A attacks B, A will hit B.

Base tohit: the probability, associated with the attacker that represents the base probability that attacker has of hitting any target in general, before buffs, debuffs, and defense are taken into acount.

Defense: the ability, or power, to reduce the chances of an attacker from hitting you. Defense is normally expressed in percentage points, and is the number of percentage points that the defensive ability will reduce your chances of being hit by an attacker.

The advanced tohit formula

The advanced tohit formula (my terminology - there isn't really a term for it) takes into account accuracy enhancements, tohit buffs, tohit debuffs, and defense debuffs. It is:

Net tohit = (Base Accuracy + accuracy enhancements) * [ base tohit + tohit buffs - tohit debuffs - (defense - defense debuffs) ]

Tohit buffs and defense debuffs

One way to improve your tohit chance is to use, or have cast upon you, tohit buffs. Tohit buffs are, according to the devs, additive:

base tohit + tohit buffs

So if your base tohit is 75%, and you use or receive a 60% tohit buff, your modified tohit becomes:

0.75 * 0.60 = 1.35 = 135%

Note that this is higher than 100%: see tohit floors and tohit ceilings below. Tohit buffs and tohit debuffs are subtractive from each other, as the advanced formula shows.

[Revision from previous version: several tests have confirmed the additive nature of at least some tohit buffs. This guide will presume additive buffs unless direct testing proves otherwise]

Defense debuffs are subtractive from defense: if you have 40% defense, and you are hit with a 10% defense debuff, your effective defense becomes: 40% - 10% = 30%.

Base Accuracy and Accuracy enhancements

Both inherent Accuracy bonuses and Accuracy enhancements work differently than tohit buffs. As shown in the formula, accuracy enhancements take effect after defense, while tohit buffs take effect before defense. The difference is that tohit buffs are much more effective than accuracy enhancements when defense is high. If your tohit on a target is 30%, a 33% accuracy enhancement SO will boost that percentage to 40% (30% * 1.33) regardless of what the defense of the target was (as long as the net effect of base tohit and defense was 30%).

All attacks have what is referred to as "Base Accuracy" or sometimes just "accuracy." As defined by the devs, Base Accuracy is the "inherent accuracy" of an attack power. A "normal" attack has base accuracy of 1.0, or 100%. Attacks that are less accurate than normal have base accuracy values less than 1.0, and attacks that are more accurate than normal have base accuracy values more than 1.0. Although this contradicts actual examples that they have issued in the past, the current statement by the devs, in several postings and PMs, is that individual attacks that have any sort of inherent bonus or penalty to accuracy in fact have higher or lower Base Accuracy.

Note on accuracy buffs and tohit buffs: as far as anyone can tell, only accuracy enhancements and inherent accuracy bonuses/penalties to individual attacks provide accuracy buffs for players, while all other "accuracy boosting" powers and effects are in fact tohit buffs.

"Base Accuracy" and "Base ToHit" is very frequently confused. Base ToHit represents the intrinsic accuracy of an attacker: its the chance that he or she will hit a target, in general, assuming all other factors are absent (defense, buffs, debuffs, etc). Base Accuracy represents the intrinsic accuracy of an attack relative to other attacks, and is scaled to 1.0: "normal" attacks have Base Accuracy of 1.0, which means they have no effect on the overall accuracy of the player. Attacks inherently more or less accurate have Base Accuracy values of more or less than 1.0, which increase or lower the overall accuracy of any attacker using them.

The best analogy to distinguish Base Accuracy and Base ToHit is to consider two people shooting firearms. One of those individuals might be inherently a better shot: he will have higher Base ToHit than the other. Separate from that, both of them will have different accuracies when firing snug nose revolvers and sniper rifles: the actual weapons have an intrinsic relative accuracy separate from the shooter, and thus the sniper rifle would have a higher Base Accuracy than the pistol.

Floors, ceilings, and caps

There is a maximum net tohit value and a minimum tohit value honored by the CoH game engine. No power or set of powers can drive your net tohit higher than 95% or lower than 5%. In other words, there is always at least a 5% chance of hitting anything, and always at least a 5% chance of missing something.

The 5% minimum chance to hit something is referred to as the tohit floor.
The 5% minimum chance to miss something, or alternatively the 95% maximum chance to hit something, is referred to as the tohit ceiling.

It used to be thought that there was no cap on the amount of defense that a hero could achieve. It turns out there is, but it is very high and not normally applicable to most reasonable combat situations: its in the range of 300% defense at high levels (it scales upward with increasing combat level of your hero).

*** Special Note ***

Geko has posted that the intermediate term - (base tohit - defense) - is bound by the 5%/95% floors and ceilings before accuracy enhancements are factored in (and then presumably, the final number is once again bracketted by the 5%/95% floor and ceiling). This directly contradicts extensive arena testing by myself and others. Either geko is mistaken, PvE works differently from the arena and geko was speaking of PvE, or arena combat is bugged.

DEFENSE MECHANICS

Typed Defense and Defense Stacking

Every attack power is classified based on how the attack is delivered, and based on the type of damage it delivers, and every defense power has an associated type or types that represents what types of attacks that defense power is effective against. There are two basic classes of attack types, and many subclasses.

Positional, or attack vector classes

Every attack is classified as either a melee attack, a ranged attack, or an AoE (area of effect) attack. In general, melee attacks are attacks that are limited to melee range (typically 5 to 10 feet maximum). Ranged attacks are attacks that will work to larger ranges. AoE attacks are defined as attacks that affect multiple targets (AoE attacks are typically defined as either cones or (general)AoEs, but that is not generally important to the issue of defense). All attacks in CoH are classified as exactly one of these types: no more and no less (although there is a special case that muddies this a bit: autohitting attacks - see below).

There is a special case issue that comes up with these basic definitions: melee cones and PBAoEs (point-blank area of effect attacks). It seems that in general, melee cones and many PBAoEs are generally considered melee attacks, but other PBAoEs (i.e. PBAoEs of giant monsters) are considered AoE attacks. There is apparently no sure-fire rule guaranteed to predict what a melee-ranged AoE will be classified as, although if its net range is less than 10 feet, it is very likely to be classified as a melee attack for the purposes of defense.

Damage-type classes

Every attack has one or more (usually no more than two) components of damage: each component has a particular type of damage associated with it. The damage types in CoH are:

smashing, lethal, fire, cold, energy, negative energy, toxic, psionic, and untyped

An attack can be all of one type: electric attacks are generally all energy damage. An attack can have multiple damage components: most energy blast attacks have smashing damage and energy damage.

Damage-types are often thought of as coming in pairs: smash/lethal (physical damage), fire/cold (elemental damage), and energy/negative (energy damage), because damage resistances are often organized that way. Toxic and psi are both considered special cases (see the special note on toxic defense below).

*** SPECIAL NOTE ON TOXIC DEFENSE ***

If a power is listed as defense to All but psi, then (as of this writing) that does not include toxic. The explanation is long and historical, but there is no toxic-specific defense in CoH. This does not mean that no power provides such defense, but rather that no such defense can exist due to a complication in how defense was originally designed. If a power is listed as "melee defense" this implicitly works against all melee attacks, even ones with toxic damage, but a power listed as "all damage types" does not include toxic.

Untyped is another special case: there used to be a significant amount of "untyped" damage in City of Heroes, most of which eventually became toxic damage. The main source of untyped damage left in CoH is the damage dealt by Hamidon, and the Hamidon Mitochondria. Its unclear precisely how untyped damage works, and its still heavily debated - the debate is mostly moot given the fact that it now mainly exists only as a singular special case that makes it difficult to generalize. We'll ignore untyped damage in this guide unless specifically mentioned.

Defense types

Just as every attack is classified as melee, ranged, or AoE, and also, smashing, lethal, etc, each defense power is classified based on what type(s) of attacks the defense power is effective against. In City of Heroes, nearly all defense powers are either attack-vector typed (also referred to as positionally typed, or ranged-typed), or damage-typed, but not both. Thus, a particular defense power might be effective against melee, or melee and ranged, but not melee and fire, for example. The one exception appears to be Force Field bubbles, and these were recently changed to provide multiply-typed defense (damage typed and also vector typed).

For more information on the specifics of defense within particular power sets, see the section DEFENSE IN POWER SETS below.

Defense Stacking Rules

If you have multiple defenses running (either your own powers or defense buffs cast on you by other players), certain defenses stack. Defense in CoH stacks additively, which is to say, if you have Defense A, and Defense B, and they stack, your net defense is A+B.

Which defenses stack and which do not is slightly tricky. Fundamentally, the following is true:

* All defenses of exactly the same class stack (melee stacks with melee, fire with fire, etc).
* A single defense that protects against multiple classes of attack functions like multiple defenses, each of which protects against a single one.
* You are only allowed to use the best defense you have against an attack with multiple classes.

For example, if you are attacked with a power bolt (from the energy blast set), that attack is ranged, and has smashing and energy damage associated with it. You are only allowed to use the best of your net ranged defense, your net smashing defense, or your net energy defense.

There was an issue a while ago in which the game engine was considering, say, someone with smashing defense and energy defense to get smash+energy defense against energy attacks with both smashing and energy components. This was considered a bug by the devs and corrected.

Defense enhancements

Each defensive power can be enhanced using defense enhancements. Defense enhancements (along with resistance enhancements) are one of the few enhancements that do not follow the general 8.33%/16.7%/33.3% TO/DO/SO (training, dual origin, single origin) enhancement progression. Defense enhancements are worth 5% for training, 10% for dual origin, and 20% for single origin enhancements.

The way enhancements work in defense powers (and in powers in general) is that the power has a base defensive value. Enhancements increase that value by a percentage amount equal to their value. To be precise: if a defense power's base value is +5% defense, and an (even level) defense SO is slotted into it, the defense power's new enhanced value is 5% * (1 + 0.2) = 6%: the power is increased in value by 20% (and not 20 percentage points, which would be 5% + 20% = 25%).

Defense enhancements themselves vary in strength based on your hero's level relative to the enhancement: enhancements are 10% weaker than their base value for every level lower than your combat level they are, up to three levels lower, where they are 70% of effective strength (they are worthless if you are more than three levels higher). Conversely, they are 5% stronger for each level higher than your level they are, up to 15% stronger when they are three levels higher than you are (enhancements more than three levels higher than your character's level cannot be slotted). For example, a -2 defense SO (normally +20%) is +16% (20% * 0.8) while a +3 defense SO is +23% (20% * 1.15).

***Enhancement Diversification***

New to I6 is a change in how enhancements work called "enhancement diversification." Basically, it works like this for defense SOs: however you slot, and whatever you slot, you get the first 40% benefit (i.e. 2 even level SOs) at full strength, any benefit above 40% and below 60% at 0.85 (85%) of their value, and any benefit above 60% at only 0.15 (15%) of their value.

This is tricky, so an example should help illustrate what's going on. You slot (presume even level SOs) one defense SO. Defense SOs provide 20% benefit, so you get 20% bonus to the defense power you slotted it in. The second SO adds 20%: you now have 40%. The next SO provides benefit above 40% (and below 60%), and so you get 85% of its value. 85% of 20% is 17% (0.85 * 20%). So SO #3 adds 17%, not 20%, and your net benefit is now 57%, not 60%. The fourth SO you slot is providing benefit above 60% (note, this is calculated based on the raw values of the SOs, not the reduced value). So you only get 0.15 (15%) of its value. 15% of 20% is 3%. So you now have 60% total benefit, instead of 80%. The fifth and sixth SOs would similarly provide 15% of the SO strength, so SO #5 brings you to 63%, and #6 brings you to 66%.

Notice the extremely sharp cut off in benefit after enhancement #3. The basic rule on ED is: do not slot more than three SOs *worth* of enhancements. Its based on *benefit* and not on the little round thing you slot. So if you slot three SOs, and then one DO, the DO gets hit by ED. If you slot 3 HOs (Hamidon enhancements) of */*/defense and then an SO of defense, the SO gets hit by ED, even though "I didn't slot more than three of anything."

What matters is *benefit* - you simply aren't going to get much more than 3 SOs *worth* of benefit on anything, no matter what crazy combination of enhancements you try to use to dodge it.

Other enhancements, such as accuracy and damage, follow a different, but proportional scale (i.e. 3 SOs worth is where ED kicks in, even though 3 SOs of damage is about +100%, and not +60%).

I6 introduces something else: you can now tell *exactly* how much benefit your powers are getting from enhancements, by hovering your mouse cursor over the blue bar of the power in the enhancement screen. Also, you can "hover" (without dropping) an enhancement over a slot, and see in a popup window what the net overall change to the attributes will be if you chose to slot there.

One final note on I6 change to enhancements: tohit buff enhancements were originally schedule A enhancements (i.e. one even SO was worth +33% buff). They are now schedule B enhancements (i.e. one even SO is worth +20% buff) just like defense enhancements are.

Resistance to defense debuffs

As of the writing of this guide, supposedly resistance to defense debuffs have been added to hero and villain sets. The powers themselves now state that they include such resistance in the in-game power descriptions. Castle posted that to the best of his knowledge, the debuff resistance is in. However, careful testing has not demonstrated conclusively that they are working properly, and several tests appear to suggest that it isn't working correctly, or is working at a much lower level than originally specified. The thread where the concept of resistance to defense debuffs was originally put forth by Statesman is here. I believe the jury is still out on whether or not this effect is really working properly.

THINGS RELATED TO DEFENSE

What is mez defense?

"Mez defense" is the generic term sometimes used to refer to powers that protect against mez. (Using terminology originally used by geko when explaining mez) there are two types of mez "defense" :mez protection and mez resistance. Neither of these is directly related to Defense in terms of damage mitigation, but its worth reviewing.

The basics of mez are: everyone has a threshold that mez effects must break through in order for the mez effect to take hold. Without any mez defense, everyone has a base mez level of -1. All mez powers have a mez magnitude. When a mez power lands, it adds its magnitude to your mez level. A hero with mez level of -1 that gets hit by a magnitude 3 hold has mez level of 2 (-1 + 3). Any mez level higher than zero means the target is mezzed. Mez protection continuously subtracts its associated defense magnitude from your mez level while the power is running. Someone running a mez defense power with mez protection magnitude 10 has a mez level of -11 (-1 - 10). If hit with a mag 3 hold, mez level increases to -8 (-11 + 3). It would take 3 more such holds for the mez level to reach +1.

Mez effects last for a certain period of time, then expire. Mez resistance allows a target to shake off mez effects faster. So instead of a mez effect lasting ten seconds, it might last eight.

Mez protection and mez resistance are not true Defense or Resistance, but its useful to understand and is often confused with true Defense and Resistance.

All mez protection powers in melee defense sets scale up with level, with tankers getting maximum protection at level 35, and scrappers at level 45.

*** Note: in I6 mez protection powers were reduced from their previous levels. Maximum protection for tanks and scrappers used to be about magnitude 15, which in effect means controllers needed 6 holds to break protection. In I6, this has been tested to happen at 3 or 4 holds, which implies mez protection has been roughly cut in half.

How do Luck (defense) inspirations work

Luck inspirations appear to be +Defense to all, and additively stack with any other defense powers you might be running. This has not, to my knowledge, been conclusively tested, but appears to be either explicitly true, or very near true.

ENVIRONMENT, VILLAINS, AND OTHER RELATED FACTORS

Defense doesn't exist in a vaccuum; its intimately related to the various buffs, debuffs, and adjustments inherent in the game engine. This section highlights the important ones.

Base tohit of villains

The base tohit of villains is as follows:

minions: 50%
LTs: 57.5%
Bosses, Snipers: 65%
Monsters, Giant Monsters, AVs, Controller Pets: 75%

These numbers are for even level villains: villains equal to your own combat level.

This increase in tohit based on the type of villain is sometimes referred to as the rank bonus or more colloquially "higher ranked villains have better tohit."

Base tohit of heroes (players)

The base tohit of heroes in PvE is 75%. In PvP (arena combat and player vs player fights in PvP zones) base player tohit was recently reduced (in I6) to 50%. This improves the performance of defense sets in PvP combat substantially, although tohit buffs (being additive) are still a significant issue. Tohit buffs maybe also have been affected or reduced in I6, but this has not been confirmed. The devs have stated that high tohit buffs severely impacting defense sets is a problem they are working on a solution for.

Question: is this a "nerf?" Answer: no, its a proper balancing of defense sets. Defense sets performance were balanced against even level minions, which have a base 50% chance to hit. Furthermore, it is just as reasonable to view this as a +25% buff to player defense across the board, instead of a base -25% tohit chance.

[Note: as of 11/16/05 a patch note was added which specifically stated this exact thing.]

Tohit based on level

Villains of higher level than you gain tohit bonuses and become more accurate. Villains of lower level than you become less accurate. I'm unaware of 100% definitive testing to demonstrate precisely what the level effect is, but there are two mainstream guesses that seems to be close:

* for each level higher than you, villains base tohit increases by 7.5 percentage points
* for each level higher than you, villains base tohit increases by 10%

The first one says that if an even level boss has base tohit of 65%, then a +1 boss has a base tohit of 72.5% (65% + 7.5%). The second one says that if an even level boss has base tohit of 65%, then a +1 boss has a base tohit of 71.5% (65% * 1.1). More definitive testing should be able to decide this easily [note: planning to test this myself at next opportunity, just to be able to be more definitive myself]

(Player) Inherent Accuracy modifiers

Player attacks can have inherent accuracy-related modifiers, which potentially affect Defense sets in PvP.

Certain player attacks have certain inherent accuracy bonuses or deficits. All attacks within an offensive set that require a weapon draw (i.e. katana, assault rifle) are supposed to have an inherent tohit bonus, said to be about 5%. In addition, all snipe attacks also have a tohit bonus, in a similar range. AoE control based attacks have an accuracy penalty, but a recent post by geko stated that normal AoE attacks do not have an inherent accuracy penalty by default. The devs have stated that the archery attacks have an inherent tohit bonus higher than the standard weapon-draw bonus, but the precise bonus has not (to my knowledge) been determined.

At one time, attacks launched while flying had a significant tohit penalty (said to be about -50%). This penalty was replaced by travel power suppression when suppression was added to all travel powers.

DEFENSE, ACCURACY, AND VILLAINS

Some villains possess tohit buffs (either inherent ones, like those attributed to rank and level, or power-based ones, like Behemoths that use invincibility), and some behave like their attacks are slotted with accuracy enhancements. Rularuu Watchers appear to have significantly higher than normal base tohit (the precise value is unknown to me). Malta gunslingers have an accuracy buff instead of a tohit buff on their pistol's cone attack. Its been approximately measured as about +65% - comparable to two accuracy SOs of accuracy boost.

Also interesting: Paragon Protectors that use MoG have *massively* higher defense than the ones that (apparently) use Elude. Its unclear precisely why the large difference exists.

DEFENSE IN POWER SETS

Its important to note that the information related to Defense in the printed manuals is, as with all things, both dated and often inaccurate. Again: this guide is not focused on the numbers, but as this information appears to be difficult to find, power set-specific Defense issues (especially what stacks with what) are listed here. Note: just as the manual is out of date, so to this guide might be out of date at the time its read. Force Fields, for example, had positional defense added literally a few weeks before this guide was finalized. For specific details, numbers, and other set information, consult the links provided at the end of this guide.

Super Reflexes defenses (scrapper and stalker) are all positional or ranged-typed. Every SR defense power is effective against one attack vector only: melee (Focused Fighting, Dodge), ranged (Focused Senses, agile), or AoE (lucky, Evasion). The exception is Elude, which is effective against all vectors. Because SR defenses are typed with positional types, SR defenses do not stack with any defense claiming to defend against a particular damage type or types. However, SR defenses do work against attacks that do toxic damage, because positional defenses work against all attacks within their range band, irrespective of damage type. SR defenses also stack with all power pool defenses, because all power pool defenses are melee/ranged (and therefore positional). However, SR defenses do not appear to stack with defense buffs such as fortitude (which appears to be damage-typed), and until recently they did not stack with force field bubbles (FF was recently changed to add positional typing on top of damage-typing to address this).

Ice Defenses are all damage-typed. Ice defense powers are generally typed against two damage types (as is generally true for many damage-typed resistances). Ice Defenses do not stack with power pool defenses, because all power pool defenses are positional, and not damage-typed. However, Ice defenses do work on any attack that has a component of damage within the defensive scope. For example, Frozen Armor provides smashing/lethal defense. Glacial Armor provides energy/negative defense. If attacked with an energy blast attack that does smash/energy, both defenses potentially apply. As with all damage-typed defenses that overlap, Ice tanks will always use the greater of the two - they do not stack together. Ice has one of only two "scalable" defenses in the game: energy absorption is a click power that boosts Ice tanker defenses based on the number of villains it hits with a PBAoE "attack." For more information, consult the links at the bottom of this guide.

Granite Armor has a power that functions differently from the printed manual. Rock Armor provides Defense, not Resistance. Granite Armor has four defense powers. Three are stackable defenses (in the sense that they can be run simultaneously - they do not stack defensively with each other): Rock Armor (smash/lethal), Crystal Armor (energy/negative), and Mineral Armor (psionic). One cannot be used with the others: Granite Armor, which has defense to all but psi (as well as resistance to all but psi). Granite Armors, like Ice Armors, do not stack with power pools (which are melee/ranged).

Force Fields used to be damage-typed. They are now both damage-typed and positional typed. Specifically, Deflection Field provides both smash/lethal defense, and melee defense. Insulation Field provides both fire/cold/energy/negative (energy/elemental) and ranged defense. Dispersion Bubble provides both defense to all damage types except psi (and of course, toxic - toxic-typed specific defense does not exist) and AoE defense. This means Force Fields will stack with anything (specifically, the right bubble will stack with any conceivable defense). It also means - although I have not specifically tested this - that Force Fields now implicitly protect against toxic attacks (since Deflection Field *should* protect against melee-based toxic, Insulation Field should protect against ranged toxic, and Dispersion Bubble should protect against AoE toxic attacks - which are essentially all of them).

Of particular interest to Force Field defenders and controllers is the fact that there are unusal side-effects due to the (new) way the various bubbles' defenses stack. In particular, dispersion bubble stacks with deflection shield by smash/lethal typing only and dispersion bubble stacks with insulation shield by energy/elemental only. This means if the FF defender or controller takes another defense buffing aura power - specifically maneuvers - that stacks positionally, instead of damage-typed, dispersion bubble and maneuvers won't stack with each other, even though each will stack with the smaller bubbles.

The net result is that because dispersion bubble is likely to be stronger than maneuvers, the net effect is for maneuvers to have no effect on team mates within the range of dispersion bubble (except for toxic/psi attacks, since dispersion bubble does not offer either toxic or psi defense specifically by type).

Invulnerability has two defense powers: invincibility and tough hide. It now appears (as of this writing) that invincibility (and tough hide) both provide defense to all (damage types) but psi (and not melee/ranged). At one time invincibility was thought to provide melee/ranged defense (and its possible it did, and that was changed recently). Invincibility is the other scalable defense that exists in CoH (the other being energy absorption). Invincibility, unlike EA, is a PBAoE aura that continuously surrounds the hero while its on, and buffs the defense of the hero using it based on the number of attackers that are in melee range. Its actual internal workings are quite complex and still subject to active discussion. Tough Hide is also defense to all but psi. Interestingly, Invulnerability also has a self defense debuff. Unyielding (the power originally called Unyielding Stance) originally rooted you to the ground when activated. It now has a self defense debuff, of about -5%. This defense debuff appears to be a -DEF to all attacks, but I do not know if this has been carefully tested.

Stalkers

All stalkers have a power called hide. Hide appears to offer defense to melee/ranged/AoE. The defense appears to be about 5% to melee/ranged, and 37.5% to AoE (that's not a misprint: thirty seven point five percent) when hidden, and about 2.5% to melee/ranged/AoE when hide is suppressed (the 5%/2.5% number is one of the numbers I've seen: there have been lots of other numbers quoted, from 5%/2.5% up to 7.5%/3.75%. I cannot say with certainty what the precise value is. The 37.5% AoE defense, however, has been red name confirmed directly). Hide also provides the highest -perception (i.e. stealth) of any power, and while hidden stalker attacks critical (double damage) and assassin's strike powers do six times bonus critical damage.

The Ninjitsu stalker set has positional defenses similar to SR. Ninja Reflexes is similar to Focused Fighting (melee), and Danger Sense is similar to Focused Senses, but it has both ranged and AoE defense.

The Energy Aura stalker set has damage-typed defenses. Supposedly, the energy aura version of hide offers defense to all but psi, instead of the positional hide everyone else has, but I haven't confirmed that yet (if energy aura has the same hide as everyone else does, it wouldn't stack with its own defenses because hide would be positional, and energy's defenses would be damage-typed). Kinetic Shield offers defense to smashing, lethal, and (to a lesser extent) energy. Power Shield offers defense to fire, cold, energy, and negative. Overload offers defense to all damage types except psi (remember, "all but psi" excludes toxic) [note: Overload also has a dull pain component].

*** New from previous version ***
Power Pool defenses are now supposed to offer defense to all, to guarantee that they stack appropriately with any defense that might be possessed by a hero/villain from their primary and secondary sets. This change was made to ensure that power pool defenses did not discriminate for or against any particular defense sets. Originally, most power pool defenses offered melee/ranged defense, and for a short while power pools offered melee/ranged and smash/lethal to try to address some stacking issues. They were changed to defense to all when it became clear that limited typing was not going to fully address the stacking issues, and was going to make stacking highly complex.

Power pool powers with defense components:

Concealment/Stealth
Concealment/Grant Invisibility
Concealment/Invisibility
Fighting/Weave
Flight/Hover
Leadership/Maneuvers
Leadership/Vengeance
Leaping/Combat Jumping

What other powers provide defense?

The following additional powers provide defense:

Devices/Cloaking Device (melee/ranged)
Illusion Control/Superior Invisibility (melee/ranged)
Illusion Control/Group Invisbility (melee/ranged)
Dark Miasma/Shadow Fall (melee/ranged)
Empathy/Fortitude (apparently all damage types)
Storm Summoning/Steamy Mist (melee/ranged)
Dark Armor/Cloak of Darkness (melee/ranged)
Regeneration/MoG (all but psi)
Cold Mastery/Frozen Armor (smash/lethal) [note: this power also has cold resistance]
Force Mastery/Personal Force Field (base defense)
Warshade/Shadow Cloak (melee/ranged ?)
Katana/Divine Avalanche (melee/lethal)
Broadsword/Parry (melee/lethal)

Note: Hasten used to have defense; it was removed in I5

Special Note on Stealth

Stealth powers generally break their concealment component when you either attack or are attacked. When the stealth is broken, most stealth powers that have a defense buff component will have about half their defense also suppressed while the stealth component is broken.

The following stealth powers appear to suppress a portion of their defense when the stealth is broken:

Devices/Targetting Drone
Illusion Control/Superior Invisibility
Illusion Control/Group Invisbility
Ice Control/Arctic Air
Concealment/Stealth
Concealment/Grant Invisibility
Concealment/Invisibility

According to Statesman, stealth powers in "Primary Defensive Sets" do not suppress their stealth when concealment is broken. The following stealth powers appear to not suppress any of their defense even if concealment is broken.

Dark Miasma/Shadow Fall
Storm Summoning/Steamy Mist
Dark Armor/Cloak of Darkness
Warshade/Shadow Cloak

Special Note on Power Boost

The power Power Boost (both the blaster energy manipulation version, and the epic power pool version) boosts defense powers while power boost is active. The boost is equal to the base value of the defense power being boosted. For example, if you have hover running (2.5% defense) and you trigger power boost, hover gains 2.5% additional defense. If hover was 5-slotted with defense SOs (net 5% defense) the boost would still be 2.5% (to 7.5% total defense).

What is the Streak Breaker?

The streak breaker is a bit of code within the tohit calculator that is designed to prevent very long strings of misses. There is a lot of misunderstanding about how the streak breaker works, so I'm going to be very specific in terms of detailing how I know what I know about the streak breaker.

First, the streak breaker only breaks streaks of misses, not hits. Confirmed by my own testing, dev postings, and red name PMs.

Second, the streak breaker affects both heroes and villains. Confirmed by my own testing, dev postings, and red name PMs.

Third, the streak breaker "decides" to break a string of misses when the string of misses exceeds a particular value. That value is dependent on the tohit probability between the attacker and the target. At about 50% net tohit, the streak breaker breaks streaks of more than four misses in length. That increases in a seemingly exponential fashion, until its only breaking streaks of 10 at 26%, and at 10% the streak breaker will allow miss streaks of more than 63 before breaking them (I do not know the correct value for this: I just know its more than 63). What does it mean for the streak breaker to "break" a string of misses? If the streak breaker detects a string of misses that reach a critical value, it forces the next swing to be a hit, regardless of the tohit "roll." These numbers come from my own testing of the streak breaker: no dev (to my knoweldge) has ever specifically outlined the exact levels the streak breaker is triggered at.

DEFENSE ISSUES

These are some of the issues related to how defense and tohit works in City of Heroes

Autohitting attacks

There are attacks that automatically hit, bypassing the tohit floors and ceilings. Typically, these things are damage auras, such as the aura emitted by Circle of Thorns Death Mages, or patches, such as the damage due to caltrops. No amount of defense reduces the damage of autohitting attacks. Note: some people used to think burn (firey aura) was autohit, but in actual fact it simply has a very high accuracy.

Special Note on defense debuffs

Although defense debuffs were covered earlier, its important to note that the subtractive nature of defense debuffs makes them extremely dangerous. Up to the writing of this guide, defense sets did not have any resistance to defense debuffs (such resistance is currently being added in some form). Their only means of defending against them was defense itself. This creates a problem whereby any defense debuff that manages to land decreases defense and makes the hero both more vulnerable to damage, and more vulnerable to more defense debuffs - a spiralling downward situation.

This is significant because resistance does not work that way. All resistance powers have an inherent resistance to resistance debuffs. When someone with 40% defense is hit with a 10% defense debuff, defense is reduced to 30%. When someone with 40% resistance is hit with a 10% resistance debuff, 40% of the debuff is resisted, and actual damage resistance drops to 34%, not 30%. Furthermore, the resistance to debuffs remains 40%. If hit with another 10% resistance debuff, resistance drops to 28%, not 20% (like defense would be) and not 27.4%, which would be the case if resistance was truely dropped to 34%.

Quartz eminators, quicksand patches

Quicksand patches are autohitting slow and defense debuff patches. These were highly lethal to defense sets, because their defense debuffs couldn't be defended against or otherwise avoided, and once hit, the slow made it difficult to escape (Super Reflexes has a resistance to slow, but it didn't fully mitigate the -fly -jump which could trap a scrapper between villains and friends alike, and it didn't necessarily allow for quick escapes from the patch). Quicksand was also spammed by Earth thorn casters - a CoT minion - in CoT missions from levels 35 to 39. Although this was supposedly fixed (by lessening the frequency of earth thorn casters as well as reducing their propensity to cast quicksand) its still an example of a highly powerful defense-unfriendly power that has few analogs for resistance or regeneration.

Quartz eminators - the eminators dropped by DE LTs - is even more exceptional. Quartz eminators emit a tohit buff to all DE within its buff radius. The tohit buff eminated from quartz eminators is extremely large - by some estimates several hundred percent. To put Quartz eminators into perspective, I3 SR scrappers running perma-elude and the toggles combines were running with more than 150% defense - and still being easily hit by Quartz-eminator buffed DE minions. Once again, there is no analog to the quartz eminator for any other form of damage mitigation, such as resistance and regeneration.

Team scalers and difficulty sliders

Important to note for defense sets: the difficulty slider (also known as the reputation slider) increases the level of villains within your missions, and therefore increases the base tohit of those villains (it doesn't generally increase the ranks of villains, except for the fact that heroic suppresses bosses). The team scaler increases the difficulty of missions based on the number of heroes on the team, and it increases rank and level and numbers of villains. With much lower defenses in I5 than earlier issues of CoH, high level missions can be less than friendly to defense-oriented sets, moreso than other damage mitigation sets.

Is Defense really inferior to Resistance?

Not especially. Defense and Resistance both have pros and cons in terms of their inherent effects. Defense's main problems are three-fold:

1. There are sets that rely heavily on Defense, but most other protection sets do not singularly rely on a single mitigation effect.

This is not a critical issue, but it amplifies the others.

2. Defense is - in the opinion of many - scaled too low.

The argument goes that because Defense avoids status effects, Defense has an inherent advantage that more than balances the fact that the damage mitigation of sets that rely on Defense is significantly lower than other sets. Most testing, analysis, and review of a transparent nature (i.e. open to review) suggests this is false. The devs, who do not generally reveal their own analysis, testing, or reviews, disagree.

3. What Defense is most vulnerable to, is plentiful in the CoH environment.

The most common secondary effect in CoH besides DoT (damage over time) is defense debuff. Defense debuffs are more common than resistance debuffs and regeneration debuffs combined. And Defense debuffs are undoubtably more dangerous to Defense sets than resistance debuffs and regeneration debuffs are to resistance and regeneration sets, respectively (regeneration debuffs would be significantly more dangerous to regeneration sets if they prevented things such as reconstruction and dull pain from functioning). Defense is also vulnerable to tohit buffs, and every single villain of higher rank than minion, and every single villain higher in level than even con, has an effective tohit buff.

To say that Defense is inferior to Resistance, given the large environmental disadvantages that Defense faces in CoH, would be comparable to changing all the damage dealth by villains to toxic and psi, and then claiming that Resistance was inferior to Defense.

What's up with tohit buffs?

Good question. Very high tohit buffs are, at least, uncommon in PvE. They are very common in PvP, because high order tohit buffs are extremely common in player power sets.

The two most common tohit buffs are build up and Aim, and both are high order tohit buff (Build Up is a 60% tohit buff, and Aim is a 100% tohit buff). Virtually all blasters, most defenders, almost all scrappers, and most tankers have access to either Build Up or Aim, and many blasters have access to both. Only controllers as a class lack BU or Aim (and pets have a tohit bonus).

If you are relying on defense in the arena, here's the score. If you have SR or Ice, and a couple stacked bubbles, someone who elected to 6-slot Aim with tohit buff enhancements to kill defense sets will hit you no matter what defense level you think you have. Realistically, that one power, and 5 extra enhancement slots, can effectively nullify an entire team's worth of defense buffs (7 stacked bubbles will beat Aim, of course, but all reasonable levels of defense and most unreasonable ones are going to be beat by 6-slot Aim). Without significant buffs, anyone with either build up or Aim will hit you.

It is unclear why Defense was lowered as part of the Global Defense reductions in I5, but tohit buffs were (apparently) not. If they were, this fact was not reported, nor has it shown up yet in anyone's testing.

*** New for I6 ***

One change made to tohit buffs in relation to balancing them with defense is that tohit buff enhancements are now schedule B (like defense: +20% for even SO) instead of schedule A (like damage: +33% for even SO). This at least places tohit buff enhancement and defense enhancement on a relatively even footing, although for high tohit buff powers, the net benefit of even an equal strength SO will be higher than a similar enhancement in a lower numerical strength defense power.

UNANSWERED QUESTIONS ABOUT DEFENSE

(At least, I don't know the answers)

1. When a click defense is triggered, does the defense stack immediately, or only after the activation is completed, or something in-between?

Although I never fully tested this (and now its almost impossible to do so) I (and many other SR scrappers) experienced an alarming sense that we were being hit in mid-backflip while cycling elude more often than chance would suggest, even though the protection of elude should have been fairly continuous. It was conjectured that when elude was cycled, the original cast of elude was momentarily dropped, and the new cast of elude was significantly (by a second or two) delayed. This would have made elude comparable to powers like grant invisibility, which if you refresh it, causes the targetted player to become momentarily visible again.

Whether this is true, and how this affects other defense powers, like parry/DA, is unclear.

2. Just exactly how does invincibility work?

Much more industrious people than me are continuing to investigate invincibility, most recently Stargazer. Invincibility was originally thought to have a base defense, plus an additional amount of melee and ranged defense per villain in melee range. Havok concluded that the original belief that invincibility had a base defense was false, and attempted to correct that mistaken belief. Much more recently, Stargazer seems to have done fairly convincing tests that lead one to believe that invincibility is not offering melee/ranged defense, but rather damage-typed all except psi defense. Whether invincibility was always like this, or changed to be this, is not clear to me, given the complex history of invincibility testing.

Additionally, further testing by others have hinted that invincibility might be offering twice the defense the developers quote for it because (like all auras) it "pulses" to generate its effect, and the pulses might be coming twice as fast as the actual pulse duration, in effect causes invincibility to stack with itself.

Testing of invincibility might be the longest running attempt to define how a power works in CoH by the player community.

3. Are hits and misses "streaky?" Is the random number generator in City of Heroes "broken?"

Its possible the random number generator has some sort of flaw, but in my opinion, whatever flaws it has, they are unlikely to be causing major problems in the game. However, its possible there are other systematic errors in the game related to how random numbers are actually used. There are some instances where it is blatantly obvious that the tohit calculators are doing something weird, but across a wide range of other cases, the randomness of hits and misses appears to be fairly random. Its important to note that "random" does not mean "not streaky." True random numbers are inherently streaky to a degree: the question is whether or not the hits and misses in CoH obey statistical norms of streakiness. This is still an open question, because its such a difficult thing to test for and because few people are able to test it precisely.

THE CANONICAL LIST OF DEFENSE-RELATED COMPLAINTS REGULARLY DISCUSSED ON THE FORUMS

In no particular order (and without commenting on validity):

* SR underperforms other scrapper sets
* SR is a "one trick pony" that has only defense
* Ice tanks uderperform other tanker sets
* Ice tanks performance is too similar to SR scrappers for a tanker
* High defense is too frustrating in the arena
* Low defense is too frustrating in the arena
* There are too many defense debuffs in the game
* Defense debuffs are too strong
* Tohit buffs in the arena are too strong
* Defense requires you to be lucky
* Defense is inferior to Resistance in all respects
* The SR set is too reliant on power pool defenses
* The Force Fields set is insufficiently strong as a buff set
* Resistance buffs are more appreciated than Defense buffs
* The SR (and to a lesser degree Ice) set can be too easily simulated with a few luck inspirations
* Lucky and Evasion are in the wrong order in the SR set
* Invincibility is too powerful a defense power for Invulnerability given that it can outperform the supposedly "defense-oriented sets"
* The -DEF in Unyielding should be removed given the overall reductions to the invuln set
* SR passive defenses are too inefficient to slot
* There are too many autohitting attacks
* There shouldn't exist autohitting defense debuffs
* Quartz eminators
* Defense stacking is too complicated, unfair to some sets, and creates problems in improperly selecting and slotting certain defense powers

Be forewarned: this stuff has been debated to death. Also, while I strongly encourage people to post their ideas, observations, comments, and suggestions on defense-related issues, bear in mind that if you post a message stating, essentially "I have the answer to everything" one of two things is extremely likely to happen: the message will be ignored, or the suggestion in the message will be heavily critiqued. Be prepared for both.

THE PURPLE PATCH

Get asked about this all the time. Here is what happens when you try to attack something much higher than you are, in terms of your powers effectiveness going down, and in terms of your base tohit going down also. Note: this affects players attacking higher leveled foes. Low level villains attacking a higher level player are not affected by the purple patch. These numbers come from a Geko post from the distant past.

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Foes your level have not changed. You have a 75% chance to hit and your powers are 100% effective.
Foes 1 level above you - No Change. You have a 68% chance to hit and your powers are 90% effective.
Foes 2 levels above you - No Change. You have a 61% chance to hit and your powers are 80% effective.
Foes 3 levels above you - You have a 55% chance to hit and your powers are 65% effective.
Foes 4 levels above you - You have a 48% chance to hit and your powers are 48% effective.
Foes 5 levels above you - You have a 41% chance to hit and your powers are 30% effective.
Foes 6 levels above you - You have a 34% chance to hit and your powers are 15% effective.
Foes 7 levels above you - You have a 25% chance to hit and your powers are 8% effective.
Foes 8 levels above you - You have an 11% chance to hit and your powers are 5% effective.
Foes 9 levels above you - You have a 6% chance to hit and your powers are 4% effective.
Foes 10 levels above you - You have a 5% chance to hit and your powers are 3% effective.
Foes 11 levels above you - You have a 5% chance to hit and your powers are 2% effective.
Foes 12+ levels above you - You have a 5% chance to hit and your powers are 1% effective.

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*** New for version 1.1 ***
Testing seems to indicate that the base tohit of players might not follow this progression precisely. Its unclear why this is the case, and no red name has addressed the issue. The numbers being tested are relatively close, so the effect is not large, but appears to be statistically significant. More testing may shed more light on this issue.

Things on the horizon

* Statesman has suggested that high tohit buffs are being looked at, but no solution has been put forth by the devs.

* CoV related and ED/I6 information hinted at in the 1.0 version of this guide has been fully integrated in this version

SOURCES OF ADDITIONAL INFORMATION

I kept the numbers out of this. If you want them, here they are:

Buffy's Scrapper Guide and Tanker Guide is an excellent source of defense (and resistance and regeneration) numbers.

An additional source of numbers, that include power pool values and tohit bases, is The Scrapper Defense Values Site. Note that power pools for tankers are higher than for scrappers (scrappers generally have 75% of the value of tanker numbers).

RedTomax is working on a web-based guide to all of CoH: it contains Defense information including defense types and values in tabular form here.

Use of this Guide

Anyone compiling information for use by players of City of Heroes and City of Villains has permission to reproduce this guide whole or in part, so long as some form of attribution is maintained. But if you make a ton of money off of it, and I find out about it, I'm going to come looking for my cut.

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Angus_Black · 11-17-2005 04:05 PM

This may be the best guide ever. Excellent Job!

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McBeast · 11-18-2005 10:44 AM

Wow! Excellent Guide! I especially appreciate the distinction between Base Accuracy and Base ToHit.
One nit: the "0.75 * 0.60 " example near the beginning should be "0.75 + 0.60 ".

Arcanaville · 11-18-2005 10:53 AM

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Wow! Excellent Guide! I especially appreciate the distinction between Base Accuracy and Base ToHit.
One nit: the "0.75 * 0.60 " example near the beginning should be "0.75 + 0.60 ".

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Thanks for the catch: its a typo arising from the earlier version of the guide using examples that assumed tohit buffs were multiplicative instead of additive. It should be a plus sign instead of a multiplication sign. I thought I caught all of those: oh well, I can already get started on version 1.2

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Arcanaville · 11-21-2005 07:43 PM

First major update earmarked for version 1.2: Castle posted a note suggesting that Resistance to Defense debuffs *sometimes* resists magnitude (ala damage resistance), and *sometimes* acts to reduce duration of the debuff (ala mez resistance), and that most of the time (he said "95%" of the time) the resistance acts to reduce magnitude. However, there still seems to be some confusion in this matter, and I suspect the final final word hasn't been spoken on it yet.

See this post by Castle for the actual quote. The thread contains a discussion of this particular effect.

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Veldrane · 11-22-2005 12:46 PM

I not sure why no one else has mentioned this but FF was changed to improve stacking. Deflection Shield protects against Smashing, Lethal, and Melee attacks; Insulation Shield protects against Energy, Neg. Energy, Cold, Fire, Ranged and AOE; Dispersion Bubble will now protect against everything.

All Pool defense have also be changed to stack with Type and Postional defenses. They are now all defense to all.

Arcanaville · 11-22-2005 02:57 PM

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I not sure why no one else has mentioned this but FF was changed to improve stacking. Deflection Shield protects against Smashing, Lethal, and Melee attacks; Insulation Shield protects against Energy, Neg. Energy, Cold, Fire, Ranged and AOE; Dispersion Bubble will now protect against everything.

All Pool defense have also be changed to stack with Type and Postional defenses. They are now all defense to all.

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Actually, this version of the guide specifically mentions the changes to power pool defenses and force fields. I did just notice though that it has the *outdated* change to force fields, (dispersion now protects against all instead of just AoE, and insulation shield now protects against ranged/AoE).

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FreelanceWizard · 11-22-2005 03:37 PM

*applause* Very well done.

You may want to note Nicti damage, however, which is the type of the massive critical damage Kheldians take from Voids and Quantums. Because all Nicti damage comes in conjunction with at least Negative damage, it can be defended against with +Def(Negative) or, in the case of Void melee attacks, +Def(Smashing). Positional defenses work against it as well. However, it cannot be resisted at all no matter what +Res is offered -- even from the new +Res Inspirations. It's possible Nicti damage is considered Untyped, or that it's some additional effect applied directly to Kheldians upon being hit by such a weapon that ignores the normal damage system entirely.

Arcanaville · 11-22-2005 04:51 PM

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*applause* Very well done.

You may want to note Nicti damage, however, which is the type of the massive critical damage Kheldians take from Voids and Quantums. Because all Nicti damage comes in conjunction with at least Negative damage, it can be defended against with +Def(Negative) or, in the case of Void melee attacks, +Def(Smashing). Positional defenses work against it as well. However, it cannot be resisted at all no matter what +Res is offered -- even from the new +Res Inspirations. It's possible Nicti damage is considered Untyped, or that it's some additional effect applied directly to Kheldians upon being hit by such a weapon that ignores the normal damage system entirely.

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Resistances are somewhat out of the scope of this guide, but with regard to Quantum blasts from Voids and Quantum gunners, are you sure that the kheldian "quantum critical" is completely unresistable? It has always seemed to me that I take considerably less damage from quantum gunners when in the tank form than human form, although I've never actually checked the numbers carefully and its been a while since I've taken my kheldian for a spin.

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Obtenebrator · 11-23-2005 12:24 AM

Does anyone know the various defense and resistance caps, if any, for the various ATs? Is it even possible to hit a defense cap anymore?

Amauros · 11-23-2005 03:35 AM

There are no hard numbers on defense caps, we know that there are caps out there but we don't know what they are.

Resistance caps are fairly easy to find, from memory 90% for Tankers, 85% for Kheldians, 75% for everyone else.

TopDoc · 11-23-2005 07:30 AM

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Resistances are somewhat out of the scope of this guide, but with regard to Quantum blasts from Voids and Quantum gunners, are you sure that the kheldian "quantum critical" is completely unresistable? It has always seemed to me that I take considerably less damage from quantum gunners when in the tank form than human form, although I've never actually checked the numbers carefully and its been a while since I've taken my kheldian for a spin.

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That's because you have a lot more HP in Dwarf Form, and you can also resist the part of the attack that isn't Nictus damage. Combined, you take what appears to be considerably less damage. But if you look at the numbers, you should see that the Nictus damage is the same in and out of Dwarf form.

Goodbye and thanks for all the fish.
I've moved on to Diablo 3, TopDoc-1304

Arcanaville · 11-23-2005 02:08 PM

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There are no hard numbers on defense caps, we know that there are caps out there but we don't know what they are.

Resistance caps are fairly easy to find, from memory 90% for Tankers, 85% for Kheldians, 75% for everyone else.

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I believe Statesman hinted at what the defense caps might be when resistance inspirations were introduced, and it was hinted that the value of the resistance insps was set in such a way so that the resistance cap could be reached with about the same number of resistance insps that it took for defense insps to hit the defense cap.

Of course, the resistance cap is different for different things, and we know from direct statements that the defense cap scales upward with level (supposedly maximizing at levels comparable to where mez resistance maxes out), but the implication from the discussion on inspirations is that the defense cap (or caps because the tanker one was said to be higher than the scrapper one just like for resistances) is numerically about 5 times higher than the resistance cap.

That would mean that in very, very rough numbers, the defense cap at high levels for scrappers is in the range of 350-400% defense or thereabouts. In other words, if that is basically true, for all practical purposes, there *isn't* really a defense cap, since that number is so high that in I6 you are unlikely to ever have that much defense stacked on top of you, ever.

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deadboy_champion · 11-24-2005 03:28 PM

Excellent post Arcanaville - *stickied

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Arcanaville · 11-30-2005 01:49 PM

For those interested in the streakbreak, a discussion about it is currently going on in the following threads:

this one which started as a discussion on accuracy, and has Weirdbeard's post what is probably the most definitive statement about the streakbreaker that currently exists (Weirdbeard's post of a long while ago forms the basis of my understanding of the streakbreaker, and how its described in the Guide above).

Ineffable_Bob started a separate thread to discuss it here.

Weirdbeard confirms a couple of things that I stated in the Guide but have consistently been in some dispute, as with all things related to accuracy:

1. The streakbreaker breaks strings of misses only, not hits.

2. The streakbreaker works for both heroes and villains (in CoH/CoV-lingo: both players and NPCs).

3. The streakbreaker breaks streaks based on the accuracy of attacks: its behavior isn't constant.

Beyond that, WB gives specific numbers and the precise circumstances governing the streakbreaker, including a very specific detail that's been at least quietly theorized: a low accuracy attack can "spoil" high accuracy attacks in the streakbreaker, because the streakbreaker only looks at hits and misses, not what attacks you are using, or what targets you are fighting.

Thus, if you swing at something with a low accuracy attack (or that itself has high defense), *that* tohit chance is "remembered" by the streakbreaker in terms of how many misses it will take to engage the streakbreaker.

A more detailed description will be in the next version of the Guide; meanwhile I point you to the threads linked above.

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Nogala · 12-01-2005 10:19 AM

I would expect Cold Domination/Arctic Fog to retain it's defense bonus even when unstealthed just like Dark Miasma/Shadow Fall, and Storm/Steamy Mist do. I'm not quite high enough level to test this out though.

In addition to the melee/range defense the above powers provide, they also have a typed defense component: Lethal,Smash,Fire,Cold, Energy, Neg. Energy. So essentually the only things they don't provide defense for are AOE psychic, AOE toxic, and AOE untyped.

It's probably also worth mentioning that Shadow Fall, Steamy Mist, Arctic Fog all provide defense to all allies within a given range of the source. I'm not certain what constitutes an ally in the PvP Free for All zones. Manuevers also provides AOE defense but it claims to be team only.

Nogala

Arcanaville · 12-01-2005 02:17 PM

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I would expect Cold Domination/Arctic Fog to retain it's defense bonus even when unstealthed just like Dark Miasma/Shadow Fall, and Storm/Steamy Mist do. I'm not quite high enough level to test this out though.

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The list of powers that retain their full defense even when stealth is broken comes from a post by Statesman: it isn't necessarily 100% complete, so anyone who has tested and confirmed that other "primary" powers retain their defensive bonus should let me know and I will correct the list.

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In addition to the melee/range defense the above powers provide, they also have a typed defense component: Lethal,Smash,Fire,Cold, Energy, Neg. Energy. So essentually the only things they don't provide defense for are AOE psychic, AOE toxic, and AOE untyped.

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Additionally, technically because of the way defense works, such powers only fail to provide defense for attacks that *only* have AoE psi, toxic, or untyped damage. I'm unaware of an AoE psi or toxic attack that has a non-psi/non-toxic component, but if such an attack existed (say, something that did AoE psi/smash) such powers *would* defend against them, because they would work against the smashing component, and therefore against the entire attack as a whole.

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It's probably also worth mentioning that Shadow Fall, Steamy Mist, Arctic Fog all provide defense to all allies within a given range of the source. I'm not certain what constitutes an ally in the PvP Free for All zones. Manuevers also provides AOE defense but it claims to be team only.

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That's a good question. Which powers affect "allies" and "foes" isn't 100% clear to me in the PvP free fire zones. It isn't directly a defense issue, but I can tell you it did *seem* like I was getting defense buffs from dispersion bubbles even from non-teamed defenders in Warburg, back when it first opened and it was much more of a free-for-all. I haven't seen anyone post specific tests of which powers buff and don't buff non-teammates, though.

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Arcanaville · 12-01-2005 03:36 PM

And of course, while some are looking at the streak breaker, others have been looking at the purple patch, which apparently isn't functioning as documented. See this post for Pippy's response from pohsyb regarding the tohit percentages as scaled by level difference, which diverge somewhat from the purple patch numbers originally posted by geko, and as documented in the guide. The numbers pohsyb gives are:

-4 .95
-3 .90
-2 .85
-1 .80
+0 .75
+1 .65
+2 .56
+3 .48
+4 .39
+5 .30
+6 .20
+7 .08

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Major_T · 12-26-2005 09:08 AM

One minor detail...

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Special Note on Stealth
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Stealth powers generally break their concealment component when you either attack or are attacked. When the stealth is broken, most stealth powers that have a defense buff component will have about half their defense also suppressed while the stealth component is broken.
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The following stealth powers appear to suppress a portion of their defense when the stealth is broken:
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Devices/Targetting Drone
Illusion Control/Superior Invisibility
Illusion Control/Group Invisbility
Ice Control/Arctic Air
Concealment/Stealth
Concealment/Grant Invisibility
Concealment/Invisibility

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...should be Devices/Cloaking Device

Your work is still very impressive non-the-less Arcanaville!

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Arcanaville · 12-27-2005 02:06 PM

Amazing how some of these goofy errors can survive hundreds of pairs of eyes. The next update of this guide with the revisions above should be out hopefully around the new year.

It would not be nearly as good as it is without a significant amount of contributions from forum readers, including yourself.

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Arcanaville · 01-10-2006 10:57 AM

Another addition until I find the time to update with all the additions and corrections: according to this thread pohsyb confirms that accuracy inspirations are straight tohit buffs. Which makes sense in that they are there to counter luck inspirations. But not so good for defense sets, since not only are most defense sets comparable in strength to about one luck, they are also counterable by about one insight.

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Arcanaville · 01-11-2006 06:02 PM

Finally, a reason for defense-based sets to cheer. Too bad we don't have the foggiest idea what it will actually do, but the fact that they are doing anything at all opens the door to tweaking it, adjusting it, extending it to other areas of high tohit madness. I'm hopeful this might be the end game in balancing defense and resistance once and for all.

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Arcanaville · 01-12-2006 02:25 PM

Castle posted the mechanics of the change: basically, rank and level bonuses will be changed from tohit buffs to accuracy buffs. Followers of my now purged Acc v Def and Elusivity threads might remember all of the various pros and cons of such a solution: overall, I thought it was the best way to deal with those two issues related to defense, so of course I'm happy. Circeus must be happy also: his Ice tank spreadsheets just got about 80% smaller.

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Circeus_NA · 01-12-2006 02:47 PM

Indeed I am... it'll take a bit to wrap my head around this...

That said, from what I can tell the basic formula was changed from (CoreAcc is 50%):

(CoreAcc * conmult * levelmult) - DEF

to

(CoreAcc - DEF) * conmult * levelmult

It does raise some questions to me, like where to buffs/debuffs and +Acc now fit into the equation?

Your thoughts?

Arcanaville · 01-12-2006 02:59 PM

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Indeed I am... it'll take a bit to wrap my head around this...

That said, from what I can tell the basic formula was changed from (CoreAcc is 50%):

(CoreAcc * conmult * levelmult) - DEF

to

(CoreAcc - DEF) * conmult * levelmult

It does raise some questions to me, like where to buffs/debuffs and +Acc now fit into the equation?

Your thoughts?

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Although Castle said the tohit formula was changed, I think that he means the Really Big Formula they use, not the simplified version *we* use. What changed was the parts of the formula that determine base tohit, which we consider static in ours. In effect, ours looks like this:

(BaseAcc + AccBuff) * (BaseToHit + ToHitBuff - ToHitDebuff -Defense + DefenseDebuff)

Theirs looks like this:

(BaseAcc + AccBuff) * ((VillainBaseToHit + LevelBonus + RankBonus) + ToHitBuff - ToHitDebuff -Defense + DefenseDebuff)

Castle is saying that it was changed to this (I believe):

(BaseAcc + AccBuff + AccLevelBuff + AccRankBuff) * (VillainBaseToHit + ToHitBuff - ToHitDebuff -Defense + DefenseDebuff)

But really, its still all just:

(BaseAcc + AccBuff) * (BaseToHit + ToHitBuff - ToHitDebuff -Defense + DefenseDebuff)

Its just that now, "AccBuff" has some new terms in it, and "BaseToHit" is now almost always 50%. I believe that all other things, like the other buffs and debuffs, are still in the same places in the formulas.

I'm still thinking through all of the ramifications of the change; although I've thought about it a lot and thought through some of the ramifications already, there are some edge effects that were/are highly dependent on exactly precisely how things like buffs and debuffs are handled. Notice, for example, that if a villain has inherent accuracy buffs (not tohit buffs) the precise proportionality of the rank and level buffs might be just slightly skewed, because of the buffs adding up on the left side.

Edit: an alternative, one which preserves proportionality better, would be this:

(BaseAcc + AccBuff) * (1 + AccRankBuff) * (1 + AccLevelBuff) * (VillainBaseToHit + ToHitBuff - ToHitDebuff -Defense + DefenseDebuff)

Hard to say for sure which way it goes yet. They could have done either, or neither but something related.

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