Origin of Statesman's and Lord Recluse's Powers

JackZodiac · 08-05-2005 11:08 AM

Then truthfully, they'll never correct anything, just change it constantly. Like the Constitution, which was written in plain English a mere two hundred and thirty years ago, requires reinterpretation. And I would love to tell anyone in the Vatican they aren't required anymore.

But that's another thread, unfortunately for another message board.

Ms_Myst · 08-05-2005 11:26 AM

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No offense taken Jack, whether you take me seriously or not doesn't affect me much. I never stated my belief or interpretation as golden, just what I am under the belief is the most widely accepted as opposed to one of the later adapted fringe translations. If you believe you can't "correct" mythology then you should tell the vatican theologians they are out of a job, as their existence is purely to read and re-read translations to determine accurate translations and then make alterations to such, thus determining Vatican Law. It's very similar to what our Congress does in fact by trying to determine what was intended and what was not purely upon speculation, in the constitution a document written by people they have never met or known. Or perhaps the scientists who still debate over theories of gravity and Evolution and things even far more widely accepted. These are non-absolutes that are "corrected" and "restated" even though they have no tangible proof of reality to be based upon in the first place. So the idea that one cannot correct something in incorrect, because to do so is our very human nature, especially that of an analytical or logical mind.

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Umm... I hate to jump in, (I admit I have no knowledge of Greek mythology,) but did you just compare scientists refining theories and experimenting to your own selective interperation of Greek mythology?

Okay, well, anyways, let's talk about correcting. All the examples you cited have written sources. Judges may interpret the Constitution, but they're still basing it off the Constitution. Theologians may debate over translations and meanings of the Christian Gospels, but they still have actual written Gospels to base it off of.

And scientists... they have experiments. Sorry, but scientists do base their theories (explanation of natural phenomenom supported by experiments) on either observation, experimentation, or mathematical models. Sure, they might be wrong, but all those theories of natural selection and gravity? Well, Newton definitely had the math for some of his gravity postulates, and Darwin did take meticulous notes to support the idea of adaptation.

But that's all tangent. Here's my point. You claim to be "correcting" a mythology. One, you can't claim to know the original, so that's out of the question.

Two, as Jack said, its a MYTHOLOGY! You can't correct it!

"A body or collection of myths belonging to a people and addressing their origin, history, deities, ancestors, and heroes."

"A body of traditional beliefs and notions accumulated about a particular subject."

You can't say, (especially to a dead religion and culture and people), "Oh, your beliefs need to be corrected! That story you believe in isn't right!" Well, you can, be you'd be trying to convert them to your ideas. Besides, they're dead.

Sorry if this makes no sense, but I so appalled that I had to type a response, even if it doesn't articulate my ideas so well.

(The above is not a flame. ^_^)

Shad0 · 08-05-2005 12:19 PM

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Yeah, I'd be very disappointed if Recluse turned out to be the incarnate of Hades. Hades, aside from abducting Persephone, was not evil. It'd be mistakenly cliche for them to make Recluse be Hades, and judging by Jack's knowledge of the classics, that's likely not the case. Us classics folks get annoyed when people assume Hades/Pluto was evil just because the Christian Satan is.

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actually most christian folks believe that satan does not "rule" hell, that idea comes form a guy named dante. satan actually "rules" earth until Yeshua comes back, the judeo-christian equivelent of hades would be sheol, not "hell"

BatKnight_NA · 08-05-2005 12:39 PM

Personally, I felt let down by the revelation that Statesman's powers came from Zeus. The game is flooded with creativity and obscure mythology, and they went to the most cliché place for a source of their icon's powers. Only a few dozen established comic book characters had that origin already.

OuterGod · 08-09-2005 02:06 PM

Yeah, so was I. I just read it and was kind of shocked. "Zeus?" What does Statesman have to do with Zeus??!!" It was a letdown.

BatKnight_NA · 08-10-2005 06:55 AM

Glad to see I'm not alone in this. It just seems to me that a guy who drapes himself in the flag and calls himself Statesman should have something other than an origin rooted in ancient Greece. Maybe something a little more American?

Of course, it did explain his arrogant attitude in the comics. I mean, Superman, Captain America, and those guys all have their shortcomings, but that was the first time I've ever seen a premiere big-shot hero call his teammates idiots for trying to help him.

QuinnBlackwatch · 12-20-2005 09:22 AM

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I reckon Statesman slept with his sister.

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I believe that's true, recluse's sister and statesman get a daughter who becomes miss liberty, she and an unknown get a daughter who calls herself ms liberty.

I think the remark recluse made is unrelated to the well of the furies and stheno.

Slingblade · 12-20-2005 11:50 AM

Wow....necropost...and all moot after the publication of the Web of Arachnos book...just finished it myself...pretty good...the story arcs in the comics are better though Would have prefered a limited edition comic series to recount the origin than the book, but meh! watcha gonna do....hopefully the next one (Freedom Phalanx) is better....maybe get Hickman to do one?

Thuros · 12-20-2005 12:37 PM

I only have one thing to say to you Slingblade...

"mmmmm-hmmmmm"

TroyHickman · 12-21-2005 02:36 AM

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Wow....necropost...and all moot after the publication of the Web of Arachnos book...just finished it myself...pretty good...the story arcs in the comics are better though Would have prefered a limited edition comic series to recount the origin than the book, but meh! watcha gonna do....hopefully the next one (Freedom Phalanx) is better....maybe get Hickman to do one?

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Ya sold me...now if we can convince THEM...

Troy Hickman - So proud to have contributed to and played in this wonderful CoH universe

Chepri · 12-21-2005 05:06 AM

Read Web of Achracnos(sp) for the answer to all your questions. Its available at your local bookstore or public library

(yes, I work in a public library so I requested them to order a copy.)

Without giving too much away, Marcus Cole (States) and (Stephan Richter) Recluse grew up together. Recluse's sister (Monica aka Maiden Justice) had a cruch on her big brother's friend. The men left the country and then Marcus came back a changed man. However, Stephan had also returned to Paragon City a changed man as well. Good fights evil. True love conquers all. And we get a preview of the next CoH book set in the 1980/90s.

QuinnBlackwatch · 12-21-2005 06:47 AM

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Wow....necropost...and all moot after the publication of the Web of Arachnos book...just finished it myself...pretty good...the story arcs in the comics are better though Would have prefered a limited edition comic series to recount the origin than the book, but meh! watcha gonna do....hopefully the next one (Freedom Phalanx) is better....maybe get Hickman to do one?

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Ack! I never looked at the date! Ew *shudders* i touched a dead thing!

I don't have the book yet, but I will soon, i hope. BTW, do we face off Stheno somewhere ingame?

Elven_Warrior · 12-22-2005 07:10 PM

ok, from the web of arachnos please do not look if you do not want to know spoilers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SPOILERS TURN BACK NOW

Ok in the book, which takes place after the war statesman and recluse are friends, old war buddies that grew up together and are in a gang that steals alot. They remembering a story told to them as kids, search out the well of the furies to heal statesmans lung problems, he had been infected with mustard gas while in the war. They located the well of the furies, after drinking it, they wanted to locate the source, the located pandoras box and were bathed in it's raze, amplifie the effects. Recluse went by by and joined arachnos, statesman became a playboy and had fun till he learned that someone had killed his brother and adopted father (recluses father), he went to paragon city to avenge them. Recluses sister, fell in love with statesman and joined in fighting side by side with him while fighting nemisis under the name of the maiden of justice.