KS consequences, taught by: Knights of Paragon

IC:
I'd just like to say Bravo to the Knights. Accomplishing two important things in one day... Defeating this menace, and teaching some children about the dangers of picking on things bigger than yourself.

Obviously the young whelps to attempted to help you were far too inexperienced to be taking part in a fight of such magnitude. You taught them a valuable lesson, and hopefully they'll spend their recovery time thinking about fighting criminals closer to their ability level.

If something had gone wrong in the battle and they lost control of the beast, members of the Knights could have gotten harmed or had difficulty getting things under control again while trying to save the pathetic hides of the glory hounds who were trying to interfere. (Yes, THEY were the glory hounds, not the knights. The interlopers were the ones trying to take on something they CANNOT handle, most likely just to ride along on the Knights' glory, which they did not earn)

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The Legendary
Lightshow
Electric/Electric Mutant Blaster
Pride of Paragon - Virtue

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Has anyone had better results? Any tips or tricks on keeping IC and cool-- no pun intended-- when getting KS'd?

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Here's one: realize you're still getting XP equal to the work you put in, and it's just not that big a deal.

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Plainly put me me, that was our kill. We had him held and were well past halfway done. It was our member Gamble that had him held, which was the only way that he was going to be beat.

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Well, then you're still gonna get the majority of the XP, aren't you?

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Trust me, when or if you ever face the Kraken, he packs a massive punch. THe key to our eventual victory was Gamble being able to keep him from running amuck and squashing us.

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Well, then they shared some of that emense risk, and yours was lowered.

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We asked the other group to leave the kill, and they chose not to.

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Were you playing a police drone at the time, signalling authority in the game? No? And they STILL ignored you? They STILL beat up on bad guys put there to be beat on?

Imagine that. The nerve.

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So, whether you think it was right or wrong, a trophy kill like that was a matter or pride to us.

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Someone remind me,

What was it that cometh before a fall again?

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My point is, while you might say "personal glory is the path to villainy," another often traveled path to the same destination is believing you are "better" than the average man in that you are infalliable and only YOU know the true difference between right and wrong.

I'm sorry, my friend, but I've known way too many villains who believed that they weren't in it for the glory at all, but to "make things right for mankind..." Anyone believing "they know best" how to set the rules for EVERYONE is walking a slippery slope...

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I know. Now, if only there was a set of rules set up for the people, BY the people. If only there was a system setup where the people voted on certain issues, and, according to majority view, those things became rules that carried punishments if violated.

Why, if such things existed, we could use them as guidelines for who was a criminal and who was a citizen....

You reak of ego.

OOC: You're 100% wrong about getting exp for the work you put in in situations like this. In a well balanced group you might have a controller, defender, few others. Several of which do no damage but are doing things like locking the mob down, healing people, buffing, debuffing, etc.

Meanwhile another group of 5 blasters comes along. You're saying they do more work, because all they're doing is damage?

Get a clue man. You don't get xp for the work you put in, you get xp for the damage you put in. They're very different things. Frankly, from a totally out of character standpoint, the 2nd group that came in were a bunch of [censored] and they got what they deserved. From an in character stand point, they got taught a lesson about playing with the big boys when you're still a little boy.

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from the RP perspective - NO ONE SHOULD BE ABLE TO TELL ANYONE ELSE A RIGHT OR WRONG WAY TO RP THEIR CHARACTER!! So by default all IC RP posts are correct. That is the way someone wants to RP their character. Some people wanna be like Superman, some like Lobo, some like Magneto. There is no 'right' way to RP.

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Couldn't disagree more.

First of all, there are some people who don't understand general RP concepts (this does NOT applying to Gamble, I'm just making a point). For example, I had one person in another board (coincidently another "733t kid" who thought numbers for letters was cute for people over the age of eleven) write an RP story for a game we were all involved in, and in his story, my character bumbled around like a fool, turned evil, and then was decapitated.

From there, you've got two options: you can declare that his RP was completely inapropriate, or I could give up my hard-earned character.

Secondly, my responses to Gamble's RP was IN CHARACTER. Matthew Young has can't tell the Knights of Paragon "hey, that was a punk thing to do", but The Night Raven does as he pleases. The Night Raven exists in the same world as The Knights, and it's no different for HIM to talk to The Knights as it is for ME to talk to Gamble. Part of RPing is accepting that different characters have different viewpoints, and it's no more inapropriate for MY character to argue with HIM then it is for Captain America to argue with The Punisher.

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To all you others - don't tell me or any one else how to be a hero. I didn't ask to be a hero.

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Then you'll be relieved to know that you're not.

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I didn't ask for powers.

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Powers don't make you a hero. Heroism makes you a hero. And letting an innocent get sent to the hospital so that you can get a parade isn't heroism.

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I didn't ask to protect this city.

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Oh, really? Who forced you to do it?

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And I certainly didn't ask anyones opinion on how to do it!!

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I don't care what you asked for. I say what I wanna say.

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I am cursed with my 'gift' and will make the best of it, but for those that try to meddle in my affairs - be warned!! Yes I tread a fine line between good and evil - but don't we all. Or are you all really that big of boy scouts? yeah, didn't think so

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Leaving innocents to be slaughtered so that you can get your name in the paper isn't "walking the line" it's jumping right over it.

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CURS3D K40S - High Prophet of Sanity's Edge (virtues most insane and tortured supergroup)

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:::eye roll:::

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I think I finally figured out why KS bugs me so much. It's certainly not the XP loss-- minor, really! But all too often I have to endure the silly claims KS'ers make. You know, how they're always making it sound like they're doing something selfless, heroic, indisputably good for the world. Or worse yet, they argue that they're on your team somehow: like a Robin encroaching a little too eagerly upon my Batman's personal space.

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THAT would be annoying. I've never seen anyone do that, though. If they did, were they doing in IC? If so, it's perfectly feasible. If I was superman, and I saw Booster-Gold fighting Metallo, I'd swoop down and help, whether Booster was winning or not.

Personally, I'm all about helping folks build their confidence. I won't simply jump into someone else's fight without being asked, but I certainly won't let them take a fall for their pride, either. If I can help, I will, but I won't steal their limelight, either.

And with regard to Gamble's team, I can understand how he feels. Teams work best without the distraction of outside interference. When other heroes think they're trying to help, they become more of a hindrance oft-times because it only causes to complicate things. I've watched young fools break enchantments on ensorcelled beasts believing they were helping, only to have the released beast defeat both he and they who captured it.

It's unfortunate that people haven't the sense to judge whether a team or fellow hero may need assistance before they bumble in blindly and place everyone at risk. While it could certainly be seen as unethical what Gamble did, it also serves as a lesson to headstrong youth to look before they leap.

OOC: Wraith TDK, If your eye rolling the group - whatever i could care less. If your eye rolling the name - perhaps a little explanation is in order. In the background of the character he used to be a graffiti artist gangbanger. And used this life exp. to become the 'hero' he is. the numbers in the name are as close to graffiti art as i could get. NOT A FORM OF L33T SPK!!!! similiar to a cyborg or techno character with numbers in the name. If it still gets your eye roll after that, whatever i still don't care. (just thought i'd explain since you seem to have a thing against l33t spk)

And yes i know your reply was IC, i was refering to a few others that seemed to state OOC that his RPing was wrong. RP wise i like the disagreement you 2 are having on this issue. I was just chiming in my 2 cents both in and out of character. My whole point on not telling people how to RP, was on the attitude and outlook of the characters. No one can say for sure if Gamble was trying to get them get killed IC or OOC, and if it was IC that is his right. If people want to play boyscouts - cool, if they want to play jack azzes, cool. Either way it is a free country.

As for the idiot that wrote a thread to humiliate and decapitate your character - that was WRONG, and well beyond the limits of RP. I don't put it in the same category as what Gamble did when he let the other heroes get slaughtered by the kraken. What that person did was NOT RPing, but rather trying to incite a flame war with you. Something I am not trying to do. (btw sorry bout that bad exp. send me a PM with his name cause i really would like to 1 star his rating for doing that to you.)

IC: Night Raven, according to you I'm not a hero cause i don't save little old ladies crossing the street. Aww TFB baby!!! I'm stuck with my fate same as you, if i wanna go slaughter gangbangers for fun and amusement I will. In fact sounds like a fun thing to do friday nite - anybody with me?

As for protecting the city, i never said i actually did that - now did I. If by some fluke of my actions innocents are saved, so be it. If they are harmed, so be it. Bottom line the only thing that matters is ME, MYSELF and I. If you can't understand that, then maybe you should get your head checked boy scout. Do you really think the silly little mundanes appreciate you? No, they appreciate saftey, security and comfort. That's all - they don't care a lick if you live or die. They don't care if any of us live or die. Deal with it.
CURS3D K40S ((Cursed Kaos - cause we can't change fonts or do graffiti))

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OOC: You're 100% wrong about getting exp for the work you put in in situations like this. In a well balanced group you might have a controller, defender, few others. Several of which do no damage but are doing things like locking the mob down, healing people, buffing, debuffing, etc.

Meanwhile another group of 5 blasters comes along. You're saying they do more work, because all they're doing is damage?

Get a clue man. You don't get xp for the work you put in, you get xp for the damage you put in. They're very different things. Frankly, from a totally out of character standpoint, the 2nd group that came in were a bunch of [censored] and they got what they deserved. From an in character stand point, they got taught a lesson about playing with the big boys when you're still a little boy.

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Alright, then the people holding the monster wouldn't have gotten XP whether the Knight killed the thing or the other guys.

Still not seein a problem here.

OOC: the guy who screwed-over my character wasn't on the COH boards. It was back in the day when AOL was king of the internet, and Marvel and DC and everybody big had their main site exclusively there.

heh, looking at the net now, it's hard to believe that there was a time when the web was the "second-stringer" place to have your internet presence.

The eye roll was indeed for your name. It still seems a bit silly, but it certainly makes a lot more sense with your back-story. It's still gonna be hard not looking at it and picturing you running around screaming about DBZ, though.

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IC: Night Raven, according to you I'm not a hero cause i don't save little old ladies crossing the street. Aww TFB baby!!! I'm stuck with my fate same as you, if i wanna go slaughter gangbangers for fun and amusement I will. In fact sounds like a fun thing to do friday nite - anybody with me?

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How you deal with people who prey on the innocent is your business. The Night Watchmen aren't exactly known for being gentle. But when you apply the same treatment to people just because you don't like their style of fighting MONSTERS, you're no better than the gang-bangers you battle.

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As for protecting the city, i never said i actually did that - now did I. If by some fluke of my actions innocents are saved, so be it. If they are harmed, so be it. Bottom line the only thing that matters is ME, MYSELF and I. If you can't understand that, then maybe you should get your head checked boy scout.

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So help me, if I hear you're hurting innocents in my city, I WILL come for you.

OOC: You should seriously switch sides with this character when COV comes out.

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Do you really think the silly little mundanes appreciate you? No, they appreciate saftey, security and comfort. That's all - they don't care a lick if you live or die. They don't care if any of us live or die. Deal with it.

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I don't care. I'm not Gamble. I'm not in this for the accolades. The citizens of this city don't believe I exist. They think I'm the boogie man. And that's how I like it. It's how I work best.

OOC: I think we've found the Virtue server's Magnito!

OOC: I'll probably be one of the first characters to switch sides as soon as CoV comes out! But, i'm not really into being a typical villain either. It's more about dealing with an unwanted mutation and what that would do to an unstable mind in the first place. Yeah I agree they name is still kind of silly looking (and i get mad grief on the broadcast channel frequently- to the point of 'I don't group with l33t d00ds FU man, go play a different game) but it really was the best I could do to make the name look like graffiti. In case you are interested the story is under the thread Origin of CURS3D K40S - i'd put it in a cute link - but i'm HTML inept . Sorry if i came off short on the name issue - but i'm tired of people taking it the wrong way. In fact i may just restart the character to deal with the problem.

IC: Why Night Raven, am I mistaken or are the boyscouts threatening me? Oh no, don't pelt me with cookies - I won't know what to do with myself. OOOOOOOO I'm shaking and quaking with fear!! Don't hurt me with your merit badges!!

As for harming innocents, I'd never hurt an innocent. But how many people are truly innocent? You? Me? The mundanes?? Seriously man, innocence is dead by your teenage years. Probably sooner for most. Society has killed it! Innocence, bah!

Better than gangers? Of course I am. How else could I beat them into submission, If i was not indeed better than them? HMMMMM? So obviously i'm much better than them.

Boogieman? Dude are you a hero or a bedtime story? Uh Oh, i better watch out or you will be hiding under my bed when i get home. hahahahahahahaha

CK

OOC: BTW, having a blast RPing with you on the forums Wraith, i can't wait to do some of this in person on Virtue. We'll give em all a show - then the non RPers can see why we do this.

Both points of view at this point seem valid. Most of the people who agree with Gamble’s actions seem to be primarily concerned with gameplay, while most people who disagree with gamble’s actions seem to be primarily concerned with roleplaying.

From the gameplay perspective KSing is rude, especially when the perpetrators have been asked politely several times to please back off and let them finish their battle. Now some people have said that they do not get bothered at all by KSing, which is totally fine, but some people do. For this reason you should always back off if asked (with the exception being if a hero is knocking at deaths door and surrounded by higher level enemies, or the like). From this standpoint Gamble’s actions were totally justified.

From the RP point of view Gamble’s actions were inappropriate because he did not act, well, heroic. But Gamble has stated several times that his character is more of an anti-hero, so this point is not valid at all. Also, most of the people concerned with RP who have posted so far have been very narrow-minded.
If you choose to RP then think of what Gamble did as completing an assignment. The kraken is going to have a man o’ war unleash a deadly virus onto the city, and millions could die. If the kraken had been killed, he would never have said where this man o’ war was located, so the virus would have been released and killed millions. Thus Gamble HAD to let the Kraken win so that the kraken could be captured, not killed by a rude group of heroes. And don’t try and argue that Gamble could have told the other team about it, because they were unresponsive. If you look at it this way then what Gamble did was also totally justified.

Wraith, you really need to just be quite, because your continued snide remarks are actually hurting your argument. Also, where did you find the kraken Gamble? I have looked for it before and have been unsuccessful. I know it is near the lake, but is it near the statue, the lake house, or maybe the river? Any help would be appreciated.

OOC: Not that anyone can tell if this a RP thread or not anymore, but . . . . The majority, if not all, of wraith's snide remarks were in character. Which to me is totally apropriate. All of his OOC comments were mostly well thought out and stated. While i disagree with a few of them, i really think he was just coming at it from the point of we should all be more 'heroic' in the game. Once he understood that some of us play the anti-hero more than the hero, he mostly was just responding to others bashing his point of view.

While I agree with you on most of your post, I just feel the need to stick up for wraith here. I have read several of his posts in other threads, and all of them in this one. I am one of the people that has disagreed with him heavily thru out this thread (both IC and OOC), but IMHO he has kept his posts well within the guidlines of the forum, on topic, and insightful.(esp. his OOC posts!) Not to mention he has been incredibly helpful and supportive of others in numerous other threads.

Not trying to slam you or your opinion Bayardus, I just don't see where Wraith was snide or rude OOC. But maybe that is just me.

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We asked the other group to leave the kill, and they chose not to.



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Were you playing a police drone at the time, signalling authority in the game? No? And they STILL ignored you? They STILL beat up on bad guys put there to be beat on?

Imagine that. The nerve.


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So, whether you think it was right or wrong, a trophy kill like that was a matter or pride to us.




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Someone remind me,

What was it that cometh before a fall again?

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I just found this whole passage snide, and if it is snide it is in turn rude. I'm not trying to say that his opinion is wrong, but comments like these are not going to get anyone to agree with you.

Okay, that particular post was fairly sarcastic. And you are 100% correct that sarcasm and rude comments will never get others to agree with you. At least not the kind of others you want agreeing with you. But as a stated before, Wraith is a really upstanding and helpful forum member 90% of the time. We all have our moments of sarcasm though.

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But as a stated before, Wraith is a really upstanding and helpful forum member 90% of the time. We all have our moments of sarcasm though.


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Very True. I totally agree with you, and apologize for generalizing Wraith's posts.

This whole thing just makes me laugh.