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Originally Posted by Sin_Salvation

ok, so I got my SS/Shield up to around 37 and he is an outrageous end hog. I got stamina but that doesn't seem to help at all. I don't even have hasten, so I can already see the rage crash and the hasten crash making it even more of a pain in the [censored].

I normally tend not to IO my characters until I hit 50. I like to get to 50, then use a respec and spec the powers and slots I want for 50, then IO him all out in one swoop. So, without IO's, is there a way to make him not eat the entire blue bar before one fight even half over?

Originally Posted by JamesTheShadow

I also voted out Unstoppable. The 3 mins of glory IS pretty good but the crash and long recharge made me not rely on it and id rather have a constant buff to resistance (passives) than an occasionnal god-then-crash-and-burn mode. If you get your defense to smashing/lethal to 35% with just 1 mob in range (wich is easy with IO's) you'll see your survivability greatly improved, even more with DM's -to-hit.

I wouldn't skip the resists, and if possible Tough/Weave/Combat Jumping (yes i know you took fly im just suggesting ) can help also. Hope you enjoy /Inv

Originally Posted by toilet_monster

with poison you can slow down players and debuff them so they die easy, and considering that players go for the mm and not the pets, pain is not that good...

Originally Posted by Ultimus

Fury provides a 2% increase per point up to 200% damage at full fury. Interesting enough, it is impossible to go past 90 fury in my testing even with stacking bosses or arch villains. This means we only cap at 180% damage.

Now Castle is probably going to say "Well Brutes are fairly balanced, maybe even overpowered, there is no need to fix this" -- It still is something that has always bugged me. If this is Castle's response, why not just make the cap of fury 90 but the bar appears full. (In other words, at 100 fury you get 180% damage increase but it still increases at the same ratio as before but can be capped... so its only changing visually)

They could also add something like hitting an enemy at full fury adds the words "SMASH" or something of that nature

Originally Posted by _Deth_

Using this to say that MM's are the redside tankers as opposed to brutes is well, stupid. There is one word in there that is key, that word is WERE. Yes, when CoV was released that was the intention, that changed pretty quickly.




If built right, brutes have only marginally less survivability than tanks. MM's, while being very sturdy, are easily taken out in certain situations, the AoE one being a very good example.



This is misleading, and well, kinda silly. Everyone reading this knows what the OP is getting at. Redside, for a melee toon with the most survivability out of the box, that is the brute.

Is a brute a tank. No, it is not. It is not a scrapper either. It sits almost dead in between them. It has damage similar to a scrapper true, but it has the survivability POTENTIAL of a tank. It has taunt available to it, which means it can control aggro well. Now, if you are willing to go crazy with IOs, you can make them tougher than a tank in SOs, with crazy damage to boot.

MM's, while originally meant to be the aggro management AT of villains, did not become that. The key reason being, a whole lot of people just never learned how to play them correctly. The player base tried to push brutes into it. They had sets matching tanks moreso than matching scrappers, and had taunt, so of course they were tanks(this is said with sarcasm).


My first toon redside, which was the first I got to 40, then 50 redside, was a MM. Could I tank with him, hell yes, very easily. I mostly duo with my gf, her first Villain was a brute. We kind of traded off on tanking duty. She would jump the toughest one while I mauled the minions and lt's. If there was a type of mob that was particularly painful for her brute, I would stomp it. My second 50 was a brute, which I can quite easily tank with as well.

Villains plays differently than Heroes. Unfortunately, when villains was released, the player base tried to make a square peg fit a round hole. When it comes to tactics, Villains is offensively oriented, and Heroes defensively. This is the reason there was no traditional healer set when Villains was released. You kill it before it kills you. Some people still try to make the square peg fit in the round hole.

Originally Posted by imported_Othed

MM are Jack of All trades they cant tank. When you tank you take the Alpha and keep the aggro. MM are build to take the Alpha but not build to keep the aggro. MM play the same 'ROLE' as scrappers off tank. when the brute dies the a good MM can setup and safe a total wipe. Just like a scrapper. Also the MM can debuff like a corr/defender, heal like them, damage like the ranged and melee classes. Now i did say that not all brutes are tanks , they can be setup like scrapper off-tank and massive damage 3% more then a scrapper can do on avg. Put in general terms and labels yes MM are not tanks but they can take the alpha, buff, debuff, heal, damage, off tank, and what ever labels are left. But to label a class as unique and veristal as the MM as tanks is narrow minded. LOL i need to start a MM. Now to simple label the brute as just tanks is narrow minded too but i did say that not all brutes tank. /EA, /FA, /Ele, and /SD are good non-tanking sets damage sets . /WB /inv are good middle or the road sets were /SR /SD and /SA are tankings sets. /SD is the more veristal as in it brings alot of extra damage. I may have missed a secoundary but you get the point

Originally Posted by ArchLight

If it comes to late for scrappers then I am having a hard time understanding why its fine for Brutes?

Scratches head.