rpgguy

Well there are multiple reasons, mainly that it has a collection value and some users can't download gigs and gigs off data everytime that they have to reinstall the game.
And then theres the fact not all of us are on broadband, like ncsoft claims we are.
They are using a lie to get out from under a promise.
And a promise is something that should be kept.

And don't forget it is a way for new people that don't touch digital distribution to find the game.

Techbot Alpha

On union the numbers are higher, a defiant rikti raid doesnt happen often.
I'm not saying I never get a pug, because I do.
In fact I was in a nice pug with my empath on union last night.
But there used to be LOTS more pugs a couple of issue's back.

And don't forget about the stupid certain server only events ncsoft planned in the past which totally unevened the population number for Defiant and Union, leaving Defiant with far less players then Union.

Blue Rabbit
You are completly wrong here.
While we indeed have the same number of slots per server, we have less servers then the americans.
So in total they have more slots then us for the same monthly fee.

Night_Hornet

I am pretty sure a red name promised that the EU would get the next boxset (after it was announced the boxset for AE was American only).

As far as I know, it doesn't but if you where to install the US client, then change the cohupdater to the EU location it would automatically update to include localised language files.

I hear you.
This is where the problem lies, neither do most of the european community.

With the technology having been proved during a US->Eu server transfer in the past, a lot of people are wondering why they cant reverse the process.

I, for myself, feel that I was lured to the EU under the promise of a identical gaming expirience, something that certainly changed since.

I see that I should have never moved to the EU servers, it is something I have regretted for a long time now.

THIS.


There is no reason why ncsoft can not do this.

You mean to tell me you prefer empty zones in prime time?
Im sure this is fine if you're a solo character, but for the team players under us, this isn't fine.

This isnt a good solution because it will take a long time to be even slightly succesful.
At the current rate, going rogue will be the final straw for a lot of people, because the servers will die down again after the going rogue newness wears off.

Also, wouldnt be providing even more money to a company that doesnt care about us?
If they aren't closing the servers now, then they won't close them sure as hell when we get more people.
Besides, we would be doing their work for them.

So less people would actually be a good thing!

I want to bet all my 50s on it by saying if it was the other way around (the european community was thriving, the american one dying) that a solution would have been implemented within a month at the most.
Heck i'd even see it possible they'd still close the european servers and have us all play on the american ones.
Yet, since it is the other way around they dont care.
Ncsoft sees the European community as nothing more but a mine to drain as much as they can from before closing it all toghether.

As Night_Hornet has stated, I to think that it is unfair we have to pay the same amount as the Americans, but get less content, less interaction (developer->community and vice versa), less player slots, less servers and worst of all; empty zones even in peak times.

I'm on of the first people who started lobbying for a server merge on the forums and i've been told countless of times to just move to the american servers or stop whining. But you just said the most important reason why we aren't moving.
We dont want to give up our account that has had months if not years of gameplay put into it.



I am not willing to believe that a server transfer from the EU to the US with keeping everything intact can not be done, because it has been done the other way around in the past.
So the technology is there!
All they need to do is reverse the process.
If that goes at the cost of bases, sg's, influence/infamy, global and friends so be it.
As long as characters and veteran rewards remain intact.

But you forget one thing, this is the attitude that the european community has to deal with every single moment.
Whenever there is an issue we always hear that there is nothing to say about it at the moment but it is being looked into.
It is nice to hear that it is being looked into but all it does it create false hope because people will be waiting for something that might take a long time, if it will ever come out.

I would hardly call this an answer, not only was this what was announced in the anniversary briefing. It doesn't say anything about the how, when and where we've been asking about.
For all we know this is a system that will never see the light of day.
Kinda like Items of Power, Base Raids and the CoP.

This doesnt justify why didn't keep their promise after the architect edition that we would get the next boxset.
Europe might have more broadband, but there is still plenty of gamers who don't touch the whole digital distribution scene and just buy their games in a store the old fashioned way.
They are zeroing out potentional players by this.

You know that the 10th child is bound to revolt at some point.
It is only natural that the european community is, pissed off, to say the least.

Good post!
There are a few things I have to say about this though;

First of all, Yes I know that some of the us servers are lower in population then Defiant and/or Union. However, the players on this server do so by choice as they could easily server transfer to the populated freedom server. We Europeans on the other hand dont have this choice. The same goes for the server merge, those staying behind on Defiant or Union after the server merge do so by choice.
Sure an account transfer would work, but the big difference between the Korean and the European community was in the fact that the Korean Community wasnt even out of a beta for a month so they didnt loose a whole lot and got 5 free months back for their lost month (they got a 6 month pass for the american servers).
We on the other hand would loose veteran rewards, characters etc.

Second, the shipping issue; I don't see where the problem lies.
I mean, WoW can be found all over Europe.
Lotro can be found all over Europe.
And theres plenty of more mmo's I can name.
It might be more difficult but it is certainly not impossible.

Third, Advertising.
Most of Western Europe speaks decent English.
English advertising could be used in most of Western Europe.
I'm not even talking about city size billboards here.
Ncsoft could contact major local game magazines for advertisements on their magazine.
(Pc Gameplay for the Netherlands/Belgium, Pc gamer for the Uk, Gunk for Belgium etc)
It would actually be easyer since they can directly have contact with these people themselves, instead of having to go trough several channels.
Heck, I buy pc gameplay each month and every month theres at least 3 or 4 page wide advertisements for a game, some of which aren't even from a rich developer.

Fourth, just because they moved us in with the Americans doesnt mean we aren't proving for their salary anymore.
I can't help but think that part of going rogue has been financed by the money us Europeans have payed, and how we are not only missing out on 2 boxsets in a row, but also miss out on pre order items (unless we pay for them if they ever release it in a pack) and by missing out on that theres is now a gap in content between the 2 continents.

All the european community is asking is some OFFICIAL answers on our issue.
Not stuff like; it is being looked into etc.
We CAN'T do anything with that, especially since we have been getting that for months now.
Questions about War Witch's population solution that was hinted in the 6th anniversary go unanswered.
Questions why we don't get a Going Rogue boxset go unanswered.
Questions as to why they can't just reverse the NA-EU transfer that was done around the EU launch go unanswered.
We get about 1 red name post a month.

Sorry for the long read but there is a big issue here, and it is being ignored by ncsoft for months and months and months.

City of Hero was cancelled less then a month after going live.
They lost a month but got 5 free months and access to the American servers back for it.
Good deal if you ask me.

I do.

/thread

I tried moving to another mmo (first to lotro which I still play occasionaly, and then to EQ2 which I left pretty fast).
City of Heroes is unique and it is a shame that it is consistently being ruined for the European players.
Why are the Americans always first?
I know their player base is bigger and it is an American game, but we pay the same monthly fee and get less player slots and now with the pre order bonus items we even get less content.
I don't care that a developer makes a thread "notifying" us about our concern being recognized. We can't do anything with that.
Im really looking forward to War Witch's method of increasing EU side players but frankly I don't expect that anytime soon.
With the money NCSOFT makes, and they make enough, it shouldnt be hard to design one global server for the game.

No.
Look at what they did with City of Hero (the short lived korean release of the game).
The servers wheren't profitable enough and they gave all the remaining players after a certain date a server transfer to america, a one year gametime pass and they could keep their characters.