lll Phoenix lll

Originally Posted by DaveMebs

Good job beating us without one of our top blasters, and our top emp. And having two of us lag out. Very well done. 8v6s are tough.

Originally Posted by Silent_

server list merger!!

PVP there still might be hope!!!

Originally Posted by Golden Girl

There might be a slight increase in PvP activity with the upcoming merging of the Euro and American server lists - a lot fo the Euro PvPers might want to try out PvP on Freedom server, for example.

Originally Posted by Dahjee

I agree. To me they are simply changes to the game overall, that happen to affect PvP in a positive way.

Originally Posted by Dahjee

{Disclaimer: Becasue I have to now-a-days... If you have a problem with my two cents... Then have the guts to start a thread about it. I will be happy to show up in it. Just say my name... Otherwise... don't mention it.}

I'd place my self somewhere in the middlie betwen the carebears and the hardcore PvP'ers. I live in the middle. As I've PvP'ed about 80% of my in-game time since PvP was introduced in CoX... but technically. I've never really rolled a PvP toon. I start with a concept, I find a purpose, I then roll, level, learn, and respec toons until I find builds that do both rather well. I like that this game allows me to do so, and be just as competetive, effective, and successful as people who build strictly for PvP. This is what love the most about my CoH PvP experience.

I don't know if it's my not-so-serious approach to hardcore pvping, but I strangely have very little to complain about the CoH PvP experience. Sure, I could write a very long list of specific changes that affected my toons in a negative way, but even with those changes I've always enjoyed PvPing in this game. For example, my Ill/FF troller has had to change playstyles more than any other toon I know due to AoE mez nerfs... Max number of Pets changes... toggle dropping changes... defenses changes... actual power changes... and so on... yet to this day thrives... due to the adaptation of the current system. (Ill/FF has the big four mezzes which do not conflict with each others' timers: hold, confuse, KB, and cage... and placate via day job temps) This Ill/FF was my first toon. Not my first PvP toon... but the first toon I ever rolled almost 7 years ago. Like all my toons after it. it has NEVER been dependant on a system to thrive.

I also like the way changes to PvP have happened in the past few years. Without the hype and expectations. Subtle changes that aren't labeled as PvP changes... but offer reasons to try something new, and fill in a gap... or play a bit differnetly than before... or changes that add to a playstyle already perfected.

-New and useful temp powers
-Defender damage buff
-Dom rebalancing
-Hibernate for Defenders
-Epic pool proliferation
-Side switching
-PvP IOs
-Incarnate slotting
-Inherent Stamina
-Bug Fixes
-Arena options
-arena match from anywhere
-Shard drops from players
-Alignment Powers
-The realization that Teaming solves everything
-and lots more to come in I20!

Sure. Most will shrug off this list. Some will ignore it because none of it addressed HD or TS or DR... but I addressed those things about 2 weeks after I13... everyone else it seems quit, ran to hide in the arena, or came to the boards on a quest to convince the devs of this game that they know better.

The quality of PvP in this game has improved over time in the last year or two. Sadly though... the quality of PvPers has gotten worse at a faster rate. Once stuck doing the same things the same way... One will never see positive change unless it affects their way of doing things. If a deer somehow became capable of killing a hunter unless two shots were put in each eye (crude and random I know, sorry) Most hunters would rage about it and quit the sport... others would rise to the challege. Those against such a change would only applaud a change if it made what was already easy to do... easier. Think about that deeply and you'll have an idea of why I13 was both a success and a failure.

I like the complexity of CoH PvP. The fact that DR numbers are cryptic in a way. It encourages me to learn from trial and error. The way mez works make me feel smarter and acomplished when I'm able to use it effectively to control situations. The skill most will agree is required for insp management is the same as the skill required for insp use and power activation when TS is on, and the same skill required for using heals when HD is on... I like that. Having think about when to do what... as opposed to just doing it because you can or because that power is recharged.

I like that this game was smart enough to seperate the PvE and PvP systems in way that made PvP feel like an exclusive club, and keep in tact the basic roles and requirements of ATs. The fact that doin so allows for PvP'rs to get new powers changes and new powers without affecting balance is cool too... but not really "in my face" noticable heh, but I give props anyways. I'm not a numbers guy, so fortunately I wasn't affected much by changes to duration, or rech, or DPS and DPA. Nah i'm a tactics guy. A strategy guy. A guy that used /Psy on a dom long before Psy/came to blasters and knew that delayed damage and inherent range of psy would be OP if left in tact for blasters heh...

I like that this PvP system encourages and allows someone like me to shine, and enjoy everything allowed.

Sadly and/or surprisingly... what I dislike about PvP in this game has nothing to do with PvP is this game. What I dislike has to do with the fact that I have no desire to be a active participant or leader in the PvP community... and that the result of my personal dersire leads me to depend on leaders and respesentatives that choose not to express any other wishes and wants for PvP other than their own or those that agree with thier wishes and wants.

Real Talk.

As a PvP community. Our morale is at an all time low right now. Blaming others is easiest to do. Waiting for someone to fix it is a lazy man's game. Ignoring everything and anything except our personal wants and wishes is a sure way to prevent posistive change from affectting us (personally). Coming together as a [b/wiser[/b]community (that is left despite the opinions that were programed into us from those that have left) is the path towrads balance... towards unity... and towards a better PvcP experience for us all.

Highlighting and sticking to the parts we find the most fun is the most effective way to stay as paying customers, and because of this, it's easy for me to recoginize and commend the point of the OP, obviously because we are being prompted to deatil our favorite parts.

If the true purpose of this thread is to start a dialog with the PvP community that will hopefully lead to a summarized copy being set a dev's desk... I sincerely hope that you Zwillinger, will not be too poilite with us. I hope that you have the guts to tell us where we have messed up along with expressing the thoughts of the devs messing up. Continuing to allow us to think we know all there is know in regards to PvP (In this Game) is a mistake. I encourage you to strive for honesty... for that, most often is what clears one's shoulders of burden of truth...

TY for listening.

{Disclaimer: Becasue I have to now-a-days... If you have a problem with my two cents... Then have the guts to start a thread about it. I will be happy to show up in it. Just say my name... Otherwise... don't mention it.}

Originally Posted by Phil_

Howdy stranger

Originally Posted by Rooks

I still PvE, yay incarnates!

Originally Posted by Rooks

Y0

Originally Posted by Crohan

GAIZE I HURD VEXINGTON GOT BANT AGIN

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Originally Posted by macskull

Zone PvP was fun before the changes, even if sides weren't even, because a few good players could really tilt the scales if the other side wasn't coordinated or prepared. You could have a team of two or three skilled players holding off four, five, six opponents, and because they knew what they were doing they were able to at least fight to a draw if not force a retreat. It was fast, it was dynamic, it was unpredictable. Those are the experiences that made the PvP in this game what it was. Likewise, dueling was a test not of build but of skill - sure, there was the rock/paper/scissors aspect, but when you pitted two good players against one another those were some of the greatest matches to watch.

These days, that experience is largely limited to big-team arena PvP. It's not as dynamic as it once was, and it's not quite as fast, but it's still fun because it requires coordination and if you're not careful about what you do and when you do it, you'll find yourself on a respawn timer. I miss being able to go into Siren's on a PvE-built Scrapper and being able to hold my own against a few opponents, but that's not what bothers me the most. Honestly, I had a great time during last year's Freedom league, mostly because we proved that unconventional non-jump teams can be at least somewhat viable despite the rule changes (and the playoff matches, those were intense). Actually, this was probably my favorite PvP experience post-I13. Managing to win a match on Eden with a Storm team and not dying while having the other team on my *** 90% of the match was intense.

My experience with PvP in other MMOs is limited to a bit in Champions and some during the DCUO beta, not much to talk about there as I think CoX still has a superior system. In regards to other games, it's been mostly Halo and Call of Duty, but again I like the fast pace of games like that.

...Otherwise... if the development team does not have the time or resources to further develop the PvP mechanics for the time being, at least prioritize the PvP-related bugs that are out there. There are bugs - potentially game-breaking ones, at that - which have been unfixed since I13, and even more that have been unfixed since at least I6 (placate, anyone?). We as a community may not react as well to bugfixes as to positive mechanics changes, but a constant stream of bugfixes at least lets us know that you guys do care.

Originally Posted by HydroPonics

Why even play this game anymore for the pvp.It's dead and really isnt worth the effort. Might as well try DCUO,a game thats actually built around pvp

Originally Posted by crohan

why are you trying to build for regeneration on a dom? You're not going to get anywhere. So, take dominate, mesmerize, levitate, confuse, tk, and something for sets, like total domination. Then flares, fire blast, fiery embrace, or embrace of fire, whatever they're calling it now, and blaze. Anything else would probably just be mules.

Hasten, ss, cj, sj, acro, maneuv, tactics, venge for lotg/kb, aid self if you wanna be like the best dom in coh, and ice or leviathon for an epic.

You're going to lose a lot.

Originally Posted by SinisterDirge

If I am wrong, then I rescind my statement, however, no where am I led to believe that the stun pulses two, or possible 3 times to stack the Mag. I have never stunned an AV with it, however, I cannot remember that last time I have ever used it in an AV fight.